TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #4

[JerseyGirl]

Guyger’s trial will begin Aug. 12.

https://www.theroot.com/murder-trial-date-set-for-former-dallas-police-officer-1833436109

 

[rosesfromangels]

Perhaps former Officer Guyger will show pics of her recent pleasure cruise at the trial. Of course that would be in stark contrast to the pictures of the crime scene and Mr. Jean's funeral....

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[mickey2942]

Guyger’s trial will begin Aug. 12.

https://www.theroot.com/murder-trial-date-set-for-former-dallas-police-officer-1833436109

The information in this article about AG overtime is interesting. And no doubt will nail the city for the civil trial against Dallas PD for wrongful death of Botham Jean.

The fact that AG could basically work as much OT as she wanted is a bad precedent. And no doubt, costs the city a lot of money in Overtime pay. The police union won't want that blank check to be gone. But if AG continues her mantra that she was too tired from working too much...

 

[JerseyGirl]

Guyger Murder Trial Delayed 6 Weeks

Guyger's attorneys delayed the trial until Sept. 23.

 

[mickey2942]

Guyger Murder Trial Delayed 6 Weeks

Guyger's attorneys delayed the trial until Sept. 23.

I bet that they will request more extensions.

 

[Medstudies]

Third announcement hearing set for Amber Guyger in murder case

Botham Jean’s Mom Breaks Her Silence On ‘Son’s Murderer,’ Amber Guyger

Okay I’m really late checking back in on this case. Maybe it’s just me, but this ticked me off:

“Court records indicate Guyger’s defense team is looking into the background of the woman who shot of the pacing, then off-duty Dallas ...”

Well doesn’t that just reek of DARVO tactics?
(What is DARVO?)
"Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.”

Like when a cheater gets caught because the spouse snooped and the snooping (as a result of red flags and gaslighting) is the real crime. And here in this case, it wasn’t the killing of BS and all the questionable sequence of events but that a neighbor might have some shady stuff in her closet. Great defense

Any updates?

 

[Medstudies]

Former Dallas officer Amber Guyger's murder trial delayed in slaying of Botham Jean | Crime | Dallas News

“State District Judge Tammy Kemp signed an order Monday moving the trial from August to Sept. 23 in the slaying of Dallas accountant Botham Jean.

Kemp's order came after Guyger's attorneys Robert Rogers and Toby Shook filed a motion seeking a continuance. They requested the delay because Shook is lead attorney in a federal trial that begins July 29 and is expected to last two to three weeks, court records show.”

Because all things revolve around the accused. The victim, family, and the state get to be grateful that one day, eventually, they might be heard, and maybe get their chance for justice.

 

[ilovewings]

Former Dallas officer Amber Guyger's murder trial delayed in slaying of Botham Jean | Crime | Dallas News

“State District Judge Tammy Kemp signed an order Monday moving the trial from August to Sept. 23 in the slaying of Dallas accountant Botham Jean.

Kemp's order came after Guyger's attorneys Robert Rogers and Toby Shook filed a motion seeking a continuance. They requested the delay because Shook is lead attorney in a federal trial that begins July 29 and is expected to last two to three weeks, court records show.”

Because all things revolve around the accused. The victim, family, and the state get to be grateful that one day, eventually, they might be heard, and maybe get their chance for justice.

Sadly I am not counting on justice: by the time this trial is over the defense will make it sound like she is the victim and the victim came after her so what could she do? You know what happens in high profile cases like this - there is no twisted defense the criminal defense attorney won't use to get his client acquitted. It probably won't be that difficult either: she is an attractive woman and she will play that to the hilt. I have watched cases where women get off scot free just because they are women, or they get less time than a man would for the same crime.

 

[Medstudies]

Sadly I am not counting on justice: by the time this trial is over the defense will make it sound like she is the victim and the victim came after her so what could she do? You know what happens in high profile cases like this - there is no twisted defense the criminal defense attorney won't use to get his client acquitted. It probably won't be that difficult either: she is an attractive woman and she will play that to the hilt. I have watched cases where women get off scot free just because they are women, or they get less time than a man would for the same crime.

I completely agree. I’m already setting my expectations for justice below sea level- just so I won’t be disappointed. (Maybe they won’t go that low? - oh heck who am I trying to kid? I expect the defense will go as low as the ninth circle of hell to get her an acquittal)

I remember a coffee house discussion about the CA and OJ acquittals - and the plot of The Star Chamber was brought up. Obviously not seriously. The discussion was tearful, the injustices was an affront to all. That said, the jurors and the defendants get to live with the weight and shame of their crimes.

 

[Wagtales10]

shes 100% going to walk. And not because she isnt guilty

 

[mickey2942]

I can't guess anything any longer. It wouldn't surprise me if Guyger walked completely free, or if she went to prison for 20 years. Nothing in the criminal justice system makes any sense any longer.

 

[ilovewings]

I completely agree. I’m already setting my expectations for justice below sea level- just so I won’t be disappointed. (Maybe they won’t go that low? - oh heck who am I trying to kid? I expect the defense will go as low as the ninth circle of hell to get her an acquittal)

I remember a coffee house discussion about the CA and OJ acquittals - and the plot of The Star Chamber was brought up. Obviously not seriously. The discussion was tearful, the injustices was an affront to all. That said, the jurors and the defendants get to live with the weight and shame of their crimes.

The jurors certainly have to live with the weight of their misguided verdicts, but defendants like CA and OJ have no shame

 

[Medstudies]

The jurors certainly have to live with the weight of their misguided verdicts, but defendants like CA and OJ have no shame

Well yea you’re right about that. I think CA is negotiating that possible tv gig and there is a new movie about OJ? So yea no shame indeed.

(So I needed a laugh - too much crazy this week- hence Will Farrell doing Harry Caray)

 

[Betty P]

Former Dallas officer Amber Guyger's murder trial delayed in slaying of Botham Jean | Crime | Dallas News

“State District Judge Tammy Kemp signed an order Monday moving the trial from August to Sept. 23 in the slaying of Dallas accountant Botham Jean.

Kemp's order came after Guyger's attorneys Robert Rogers and Toby Shook filed a motion seeking a continuance. They requested the delay because Shook is lead attorney in a federal trial that begins July 29 and is expected to last two to three weeks, court records show.”

Because all things revolve around the accused. The victim, family, and the state get to be grateful that one day, eventually, they might be heard, and maybe get their chance for justice.

Well, it does say Guyger's attorney is working on another big federal case, that will go to trial around that time, so I suppose that's a good excuse. If she is acquitted, it confirms the beliefs most people hold these days about law enforcement in many areas of the US. A while back I was talking with a man from Ireland, talking current events like this. He said he was baffled at how Americans put their law enforcement officers up on pedestals and worship them. They don't do that in Ireland or most of western Europe. They have a more realistic view of law enforcement - they're there to do a job that is sometimes dangerous, but they're no better than anyone else and their authority and honesty should certainly be questioned when necessary.

Ever since 911, Americans go overboard on worshiping LE, military and other authority figures. That's a dangerous thing to do in a free society.

Time to start holding these people accountable and not putting them above the law. LE has changed these days, standards for recruitment and training have changed and not for the better. Time to clean it up and get the bad actors, violence-lovers and psychos out.

 

[Medstudies]

Well, it does say Guyger's attorney is working on another big federal case, that will go to trial around that time, so I suppose that's a good excuse. If she is acquitted, it confirms the beliefs most people hold these days about law enforcement in many areas of the US. A while back I was talking with a man from Ireland, talking current events like this. He said he was baffled at how Americans put their law enforcement officers up on pedestals and worship them. They don't do that in Ireland or most of western Europe. They have a more realistic view of law enforcement - they're there to do a job that is sometimes dangerous, but they're no better than anyone else and their authority and honesty should certainly be questioned when necessary.

Ever since 911, Americans go overboard on worshiping LE, military and other authority figures. That's a dangerous thing to do in a free society.

Time to start holding these people accountable and not putting them above the law. LE has changed these days, standards for recruitment and training have changed and not for the better. Time to clean it up and get the bad actors, violence-lovers and psychos out.

Yea I read that. Ha, I just have ZFTG over the fact one of her counselors overextended their time commitment.

Which was booked first? If the federal case was already scheduled why did they not notify the judge before this was added to the docket? (Note this is a frustration I’m venting at the situation- not you BettyP)

And I agree with the everything else you stated. Thanks!

 

[bwt42]

I think she will be found guilty on some charge. I don't think it was premeditated. Makes no sense to me. I'm thinking something on the order of reckless homicide or whatever Missouri calls it. I'd feel the same if it wasn't LE. jmo

 

[rosesfromangels]

If she has any brains she will take a plea. Between the red carpet, questionable social media posts and the pleasure cruise, the Prosecution will eat her alive.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Betty P]

Yea I read that. Ha, I just have ZFTG over the fact one of her counselors overextended their time commitment.

Which was booked first? If the federal case was already scheduled why did they not notify the judge before this was added to the docket? (Note this is a frustration I’m venting at the situation- not you BettyP)

And I agree with the everything else you stated. Thanks!

Agree, this has been dragging on long enough. Are they assuming the delays will make people forget about it? I wonder how much news media will cover it? Probably very little. Local news media has only offered minimal coverage.

 

[Wagtales10]

If she has any brains she will take a plea. Between the red carpet, questionable social media posts and the pleasure cruise, the Prosecution will eat her alive.

Amateur opinion and speculation

History shows that means nothing. Evidence and proof does not apply in cases like this.

 

[Betty P]

History shows that means nothing. Evidence and proof does not apply in cases like this.

Yes, those prosecutors have to work with police officers every day. They rely on them to bring in good evidence and show up in court to testify against criminals. No way the prosecutors in Dallas have enough courage to question the professionalism of a Dallas police officer, to pursue the case vigorously and win a conviction for Botham Jean's family.