TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #5

[BeachSky]

Just an observe IMO,
Defense seems ill prepared.
Lots of looking back & forth to each other.

I like the fact that the State got the pot thing
out there...

 

[tamsidea]

IMO Sounded like there was some sexual banter going on in the texts and that is what will be excluded, not that she was planning to see him later.

Yes, that too. I guess how they worded their plans for a meet up will decide whether those texts are included. I guess I assumed from the way it was worded that the meet-up plan included sexual overtones too. MOO

 

[VAgirlatheart]

But the prosecutor can't show that content - texting for a meet-up - because it is in reference to their relationship. That is my understanding anyway. If the jury were to see that she was texting about the meet-up then I agree it would be pretty damning. That is why I am saying a win for the defense if the prosecution must exclude those conversations.

Even if so, he’s testifying so eventually the text I’m sure will come out then ..

 

[Hraefn]

Jurors are being sworn in one-by-one right now, so opening statements should start soon.

 

[BeachSky]

DBM
Duplicate

 

[Hraefn]

Just an observe IMO,
Defense seems ill prepared.
Lots of looking back & forth to each other.

I like the fact that the State got the pot thing
out there...

I missed the pot coming up, can you summarize what happened with that in pre-trial? Thanks!

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Just an observe IMO,
Defense seems ill prepared.
Lots of looking back & forth to each other.

I like the fact that the State got the pot thing
out there...

Agreed. These are big time lawyers supposably. I’m sure the police association paid a pretty penny for them.

 

[BeachSky]

I missed the pot coming up, can you summarize what happened with that in pre-trial? Thanks!

State said his sister will be a witness to tell that he used pot & why. State also got in the fact that his apt smelled like pot- Ambers apt did NOT.

MOO

 

[Hraefn]

State said his sister will be a witness to tell that he used pot & why. State also got in the fact that his apt smelled like pot- Ambers apt did NOT.

MOO

So they did go to Guyger's apartment?
(ETA: typo) IDK why the smell would be relevant except to show that the defendant should have realized it was not her apartment if it had a strong marijuana odor and she does not use. Marijuana use does not justify murder.

Anyone have any other opinions on this?

 

[Jax49]

So they did go to Guyger's apartment?
IDK if that helps the state. IDK why the smell would be relevant except to show that the defendant should have realized it was not her apartment if it had a strong marijuana odor and she does not use. Marijuana use does not justify murder.

Anyone have any other opinions on this?

BBM

IIRC, the prosecutor said something like "presumably her apartment didn't smell of marijuana". Nothing to indicate if it did or not. moo

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I always knew that the 911 call sounded staged just by her language. She was coached and I knew it. It sounded so blah !!! And fake. What gave that away? She said “I am so tired” and not “I was so tired or I must have been so tired.” (As in that’s how I missed my apartment)

I can promise you, once you “think there is a burglar in your house” or “you shoot someone and then realize it’s not your place.” You aren’t tired anymore. You’re adrenaline has to be crazy high at that moment.

 

[BeachSky]

So they did go to Guyger's apartment?
IDK if that helps the state. IDK why the smell would be relevant except to show that the defendant should have realized it was not her apartment if it had a strong marijuana odor and she does not use. Marijuana use does not justify murder.

Anyone have any other opinions on this?

Also the State said they (state) knew the pot was going to be addressed by the defense because they ( defense) have experts in that field on their witness list.
This is a bad move on the defense part IMO.
Victim blaming at its worst. He was in his own home!


MOO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I always knew that the 911 call sounded staged just by her language. She was coached and I knew it. It sounded so blah !!! And fake. What gave that away? She said “I am so tired” and not “I was so tired or I must have been so tired.” (As in that’s how I missed my apartment)

I can promise you, once you “think there is a burglar in your house” or “you shoot someone and then realize it’s not your place.” You aren’t tired anymore. You’re adrenaline has to be crazy high at that moment.

Not to mention she is a police officer who is trained to act in stressful situations. I used to work overnight EMS call, and when those alarms went off, even from a dead sleep, you were on and functioning. Never would it cross your mind, "I am tired".

 

[Hraefn]

The Judge is speaking. They will be starting up at 12:30PM local time (CMT), 51 minutes from now.

 

[Jax49]

The Judge is speaking. They will be starting up at 12:30PM local time (CMT), 51 minutes from now.

Jury will be sworn in and opening statements will finally start. Judge is not very happy. moo

ETA: They will be sequestered.

 

[iluvmua]

So 4 hours later

 

[BeachSky]

BBM

IIRC, the prosecutor said something like "presumably her apartment didn't smell of marijuana". Nothing to indicate if it did or not. moo

Thanks for clarifying that Jax!
I like the proactive way State is heading this off.
I took it as one more thing that should of let her know she was in the wrong apt


MOO

 

[Hraefn]

About the 911 call. I am curious what everyone hears at a certain point. From this link:
Uncensored 911 call released: What Amber Guyger said after shooting Botham Jean
5:31 AG: Hurry
5:34 AG: Hey. Over here, over here.
5:37 Dispatcher: Okay, go ahead and talk to them.
5:38 Responding officers: [maybe "Police!" but somewhat hard to hear.]
5:38 AG: No, it's me, I'm off duty, I'm off duty.
5:40 AG: I __________. I thought they were in my apartment, I thought this was my floor.

What does every hear at that blank? Curious to hear opinions before I share mine. I will say that is the exact part that stood out to me the first and every time I have heard the call.

 

[Hraefn]

To recap this morning, per Court TV, the Judge heard Motions in Limine (pre-trial motions to exclude testimony or other evidence, heard outside of the presence of the jury) 2 from the state, 3 from the defense.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Is it allowed for police officers to engage in relationships with their partner officers?

I think it's part of the job over here