GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #7

[imstilla.grandma]

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[mickey2942]

Judge Tammy gave AG a hug, and a bible. Kudos to Judge Tammy. Wow.

 

[BellaVita]

"Unforgiveness is like drinking poison yourself and waiting for the other person to die."
IMO. Forgiveness can only happen if the transgressor asks for it or is open to it. Botham Jean's brother must have seen something in Amber to make him believe that she is remorseful. To say he didn't even want her to go to prison at all. I'm not very eloquent. IDK. I'm astounded.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Powerful and eloquent. And anyone who denies that she is right is the hateful one!

I am just going to comment on this before I go. What the son did was amazing and remarkable. What mom (or affectionately, GG) did was also remarkable. She could have used her time for justified hate or for anger - she asked for 28 years for the death of her son and did not get it. She could have said many hateful things and noone would have blamed her. Instead, she very appropriately pointed out areas she saw that needed change. That woman could have incited riot on the spot and she did not. I see tremendous grace and strength in that. I also see a Mama Tiger. That's what my kids call me. She is not leaving Dallas without a call to action for legitimate concerns she saw in the process of her son's investigation. She owed that to Botham and to any other victims. I could see why Bo called her GG. She was not leaving without standing for the cause and seeking improvement. Does that mean she is at a different place? Maybe, but I do not think so. If Amber needed a meal and place to stay tonight, I believe the Jean's would help. But they also stand for what is right. I believe you can do both.

I have learned alot from this family today and I am humbled to have witnessed their grace, strength, and faith.

 

[BellaVita]

Judge Tammy gave AG a hug, and a bible. Kudos to Judge Tammy. Wow.

The world needs more of this.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Supporters of Botham Jean's family react after hearing Amber Guyger's sentence. Guyger received 10 years for the murder of Botham Jean. video:
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article235735152.html

 

[wyome]

I’m glad his brother said what he did, even throwing in that he wasn’t going to say it to his family, but I’m glad he did. I’m glad Amber could hear him say all that he did. I worry though that his parents have such a different view than him, though, his mom was very upset with just 10 years and his brother wasn’t anywhere to be found during the family’s words after sentencing to the media.

Generation thing maybe? I see the young all about love and acceptance. We've reverted back to the 60's in a way. Bo's parents see things differently of course. I could hear people in the background of the mom's speech talking about cold blood. Views could not be further apart.

I am glad Amber received love from the brother. That is at least one man that has given her unconditional love in the purest sense.

 

[MyBelle]

IMO the murder charge is wrong, it should have been manslaughter. I think murder requires an act of malice, while manslaughter requires an act of negligence. I don't see murder here, but is a clear case of manslaughter.

Intentionally killing an innocent stranger and then failing to provide him emergency first aid. That's manslaughter? No way. The jury got it right.

JMO

 

[iluvmua]

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I have tears in my eyes! What an amazing judge!

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This is incredible!

WOW!

 

[turaj]

I’m glad his brother said what he did, even throwing in that he wasn’t going to say it to his family, but I’m glad he did. I’m glad Amber could hear him say all that he did. I worry though that his parents have such a different view than him, though, his mom was very upset with just 10 years and his brother wasn’t anywhere to be found during the family’s words after sentencing to the media.

Actually was the brother in the courtroom for the entire trial? Today was the first time I had seen him but that does not mean anything. I think he took a big leap today and his family was heard crying loudly as this was going down with the hug etc. He then seemed to leave and while they don't have to all be on the same page they were just recovering from the shock of the short sentence after indicating they did want 25 and clearly they had no idea this was going to happen. He is an adult and has every right to do what he did but I think it may take the parents some time to process. Only natural.

 

[legalmomma]

No malice requirement under TX laws for murder.

Texas has such different laws, including having a jury that convicted for murder sending down a sentence. I think this was a just sentence after a murder conviction under this Tx law where there was mistake of fact. Jury had a difficult, horrible case and their sentence proved that. Healing and new training on shooting for a believed threat maybe in order. But I believe in LE. Sure there are miscarriages of justice, but this wasn't one of them. I hope she survives her sentence. And hope those involved- family, attorneys, Judge, LE and Amber can all emotionally get support and we all learn from this horrendous case.

 

[Tugela]

I understand about being human but has the Judge ever given another convicted felon a Bible in her courtroom? The family and their supporters all along have blasted the overt favoritism extended to the defendant because she was a cop beginning the very moment she killed their son. She wasn't taken immediately into custody. She wasn't being recorded as she sat in a police car. Quick bail and she's off on a cruise. And now, she's been given a much lighter sentence than the parents wanted and then she's given a Bible by the Judge. The optics are not good.

JMO

I think the judge recognizes that it is a tragedy on both sides. There are no winners here. This is not like a typical case where there is a clear act of malice involved. Basically it is a mistake that led to someone dying.

A sentence should serve two purposes, firstly to act as a deterrent by imposing a penalty for the act, and secondly to remove an otherwise dangerous or disruptive individual from society. It is quite clear that the second part does not apply to Guyger, so only the first part should apply. Therefore a lighter sentence is entirely appropriate.

Even 10 years is overkill in this case IMO. She will be punished no matter how long the sentence is, but what purpose does it serve to keep her there for that long?

 

[turaj]

I understand about being human but has the Judge ever given another convicted felon a Bible in her courtroom? The family and their supporters all along have blasted the overt favoritism extended to the defendant because she was a cop beginning the very moment she killed their son. She wasn't taken immediately into custody. She wasn't being recorded as she sat in a police car. Quick bail and she's off on a cruise. And now, she's been given a much lighter sentence than the parents wanted and then she's given a Bible by the Judge. The optics are not good.

JMO

I have watched many trials...some very very sad...I guess I am more comfortable with a judge keeping a more low profile and not showing so much emotion. Often during the trial she really showed her feelings and while hugs for everyone after (not just one side) I have never witnessed anything like this. Is Texas that different?

 

[Hraefn]

RSBM
A sentence should serve two purposes, firstly to act as a deterrent by imposing a penalty for the act, and secondly to remove an otherwise dangerous or disruptive individual from society. It is quite clear that the second part does not apply to Guyger, so only the first part should apply. Therefore a lighter sentence is entirely appropriate.
RSBM

BBM. I do not think it is clear at all.

 

[Wishbone]

I understand about being human but has the Judge ever given another convicted felon a Bible in her courtroom? The family and their supporters all along have blasted the overt favoritism extended to the defendant because she was a cop beginning the very moment she killed their son. She wasn't taken immediately into custody. She wasn't being recorded as she sat in a police car. Quick bail and she's off on a cruise. And now, she's been given a much lighter sentence than the parents wanted and then she's given a Bible by the Judge. The optics are not good.

JMO

Kinda disappointed in the sentence, but the jury rules. As for Guyger, it's time for her to become humble and take orders from someone else. She's not running anything anymore. When someone tells her to show hands, she will mind. Time to wake up and time to go to bed, lights out. I'm happy she got prison time, too bad it won't last longer. Had the roles been reversed and anyone else committed a crime such as this, they would never leave prison. She'll still have time to hook up with someone else's husband(dog) and maybe even luck out and snag an unmarried or divorced man. She took any experiences Botham might have had away forever. This was not justice but I do like the idea of Guyger wearing white instead of blue even if it is for a short time.

 

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[Tugela]

Texas has such different laws, including having a jury that convicted for murder sending down a sentence. I think this was a just sentence after a murder conviction under this Tx law where there was mistake of fact. Jury had a difficult, horrible case and their sentence proved that. Healing and new training on shooting for a believed threat maybe in order. But I believe in LE. Sure there are miscarriages of justice, but this wasn't one of them. I hope she survives her sentence. And hope those involved- family, attorneys, Judge, LE and Amber can all emotionally get support and we all learn from this horrendous case.

Actually, the training was the problem. When she arrived home and found what she thought to be her front door open and an intruder apparently inside, she would have gone into tunnel vision in reacting to that threat. She would not even have noticed that it was not actually the interior of her apartment, her focus would have been entirely on the apparent intruder. Part of training is to get people to focus on their objective and ignore distractions around them or their personal emotions about what is happening. How individuals react to any training is going to be different as well, so it is not a simple problem to solve. In the majority of cases involving police shootings, it is this training induced tunnel vision that is the root cause of unfortunate incidents like this. You have to recognize that LEO are human beings, and are going to make mistakes.

If she had not been a police officer the incident would probably have turned out very different.

 

[mister happy]

I have mixed feelings about what happened today. I'm still in a bit of a shock. Anyway, how much time will Guyger actually serve if everything goes her way, and Botham's family is cool with parole?

 

[Weki]

At the risk of sounding callous, I’m ready to move on from this case. I gave it my all and I made peace with the sentence almost immediately. I feel like it was a fair trial. I can’t criticize the justice system on this one. Fair judge, diverse jury, dedicated prosecutors who put AG under a microscope.

The trial of Crazy One-Eyed Markeith Loyd should be coming up next! Should be a big contrast to this case.

 

[blue22]

Texas has such different laws, including having a jury that convicted for murder sending down a sentence. I think this was a just sentence after a murder conviction under this Tx law where there was mistake of fact. Jury had a difficult, horrible case and their sentence proved that. Healing and new training on shooting for a believed threat maybe in order. But I believe in LE. Sure there are miscarriages of justice, but this wasn't one of them. I hope she survives her sentence. And hope those involved- family, attorneys, Judge, LE and Amber can all emotionally get support and we all learn from this horrendous case.

An important note to make, is that AG chose to have the jury sentence her.