GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[AllyBeeUK]

Nice thought that this "this might be a bit of a turning point" ...i think the same each time we have an officer involved shooting or mass murder...but it never changes...all is forgotten quickly....but we can hope.

I will hope that for you. We had a mass shooting at a primary school and it changed everything. It can be done but there has to be the will for things change, from all sides.

 

[Hraefn]

I wonder if she is unbiased if she is judging an atheist, a Muslim, a Hindu of a Jew. It is really concerning. Religion is a deeply personal thing, not a medal to be worn on her mantle.

I am with you, I think the investigation is appropriate and she could be sanctioned. But as far as her trial actions I think she did a great job.

 

[turaj]

The Jury sent a note to the Judge with questions regarding manslaughter and castle doctrine. This tells me they did not immediately focus in on the murder charge. I would love to know what questions they asked.

I don't quite understand their process...I think they are usually told to start at the top ie Murder and if they don't feel that is right move down. But that question did come very early on after getting settled and choosing a foreperson etc. so I guess just trying to get definitions.

 

[turaj]

He is an extraordinary person. What he said about needing peace of mind and waking up happy, he is so right.

He is doing exactly what is right for HIM...frankly that was very much for himself and of course he is happy if it can impact Amber to live a better life. He is really wise beyond his years but I expect he will have some rough days as he moves ahead and attends Harding College...he should have good support there.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm surprised the jurors found the 'change in her' was credible as per her friends during sentencing phase. I did not find their testimonies to be either credible or realistic.
She had an opportunity to make a statement and offer sincere apologies had she taken the stand. She refrained.
Probably because she was not a credible apologist. Her prior apologies were to herself only.
if she had truly changed she wouldn't have been texting her side-kick looking for drink and sex 2 days after the murder.
There was no credible evidence of change presented at all..

But, it's none of my business, what's done is done.
Brandt Jean opened my eyes to humanity and for that I will be forever grateful.
My belief is that Botham Jean's murder/assassination was racist primarily and we know she held and shared racist views with colleagues.
That's a most serious matter.
I support BLM but I'm not impressed by those using the # to abuse her family following the verdict and Brandt's action and the Judge's action.
Rage will do nothing to bring about necessary reform.

 

[Amber29]

So basically her narcissistic tail had to put on her sad crying face and they bought it , if she had one bit of compassion she would have at least tried to stop the bleeding . IMO she deserves just the same as any other murderer .

Easy to say as a bystander and from your computer. Totally different to actually have to pass the judgement. Like the jurors said there was lots of crying having to make this decision, as they were unaware they would be sentencing her when they convicted her.

 

[kittythehare]

"I will not resign as President of the DPA. I will continue to protect the rights of my members and every officer within the Dallas Police Department,” said Mata.

https://media.wfaa.com/embeds/video/287-c952d122-efeb-429d-b8d2-5fc0dd54b7b8/iframe

"And I was not acting as an officer. I was acting as president of a labor organization,” said Mata.

"That is attorney client privilege just like every other citizen and you can not record that. It is law,” said Mata.

“We must all agree that there were some things that there were some things that came out in the trial and if those things are true and how we are going to begin to find that out is by launching an internal affairs investigation and came out and that is how we want to make sure that we address those things. That if those things are true that we make the necessary policy changes and or procedural changes to ensure that this community truly trust our ability to police this community,” said Hall.

“If DPD opens up an investigation I welcome it,” said Mata.

“That would be a fair investigation and I hope I get it,” said Mata.

'I won't resign and I welcome an internal affairs investigation:' said DPA President in wake of Amber Guyger trial

His arrogance is noteworthy.
She was not treated as other prisoners are treated.
And nothing he says or does will change that.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"This is what you have to do to set yourself free," Jean said in an exclusive interview Friday on "Good Morning America."
"I didn't really plan on living the rest of my life hating this woman."

"I know that there's something called peace of mind and that's the type of stuff you need to do to have peace of mind," he said. "That is why I wake up happy in the morning. That is why I want to live happy later on in my life."

ABC News Video

 

[magnolia]

I'm surprised the jurors found the 'change in her' was credible as per her friends during sentencing phase. I did not find their testimonies to be either credible or realistic.
She had an opportunity to make a statement and offer sincere apologies had she taken the stand. She refrained.
Probably because she was not a credible apologist. Her prior apologies were to herself only.
if she had truly changed she wouldn't have been texting her side-kick looking for drink and sex 2 days after the murder.
There was no credible evidence of change presented at all..

But, it's none of my business, what's done is done.
Brandt Jean opened my eyes to humanity and for that I will be forever grateful.
My belief is that Botham Jean's murder/assassination was racist primarily and we know she held and shared racist views with colleagues.
That's a most serious matter.
I support BLM but I'm not impressed by those using the # to abuse her family following the verdict and Brandt's action and the Judge's action.
Rage will do nothing to bring about necessary reform.

AG testified that she intended to shoot the intruder she thought was in her apartment before she opened the door. Please explain to me how she could determine race before opening the door. That said, how on earth was the shooting racially motivated.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Brandt Jean said he believes his brother Botham would support his gesture of forgiveness. But family attorney Lee Merritt acknowledged there are mixed emotions.

https://media.wfaa.com/embeds/video/287-d920134b-f6b9-42b3-a29b-d27b62fe7127/iframe

RAW: Brandt Jean & lawyer Lee Merritt share thoughts on hug with Amber Guyger live on GMA

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder if she is unbiased if she is judging an atheist, a Muslim, a Hindu of a Jew. It is really concerning. Religion is a deeply personal thing, not a medal to be worn on her mantle.

I reckon she is actually.
In her case , her religion forms a back-up for her humanity.
I imagine that if she were Muslim or Hindu it would be the same.
I imagine if she had chosen atheism, she would still have empathy, sympathy rapport and compassion.
She is a most amazing and inspiring human.
Every decision she made was sound and brilliant throughout that trial which she ran with supreme grace and dignity as well as humanity.
(You know when you're a kid and you want to meet your idol, rock star, whatever? She is the one I'd choose to meet if I ever got that choice and I'm no kid)

 

[turaj]

I'm surprised the jurors found the 'change in her' was credible as per her friends during sentencing phase. I did not find their testimonies to be either credible or realistic.
She had an opportunity to make a statement and offer sincere apologies had she taken the stand. She refrained.
Probably because she was not a credible apologist. Her prior apologies were to herself only.
if she had truly changed she wouldn't have been texting her side-kick looking for drink and sex 2 days after the murder.
There was no credible evidence of change presented at all..

But, it's none of my business, what's done is done.
Brandt Jean opened my eyes to humanity and for that I will be forever grateful.
My belief is that Botham Jean's murder/assassination was racist primarily and we know she held and shared racist views with colleagues.
That's a most serious matter.
I support BLM but I'm not impressed by those using the # to abuse her family following the verdict and Brandt's action and the Judge's action.
Rage will do nothing to bring about necessary reform.

I did not hear what I considered anything more than crying and moaning about how her life is ruined...a woe is me apology. But as said not my concern.

 

[kittythehare]

AG testified that she intended to shoot the intruder she thought was in her apartment before she opened the door. Please explain to me how she could determine race before opening the door. That said, how on earth was the shooting racially motivated.

AG testified a lot of BS.
Did you believe everything she said?
I did not.
She shot him bullseye in the heart.
Ergo, she could see who she was shooting.
She shot to kill.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"I, for one, was not expecting a white police officer to be convicted on the more serious charge for killing a black man, however bizarre the circumstances," CNN Opinion contributor Jill Filipovic wrote.

"What this guilty verdict may at least show is there are some lines even white police officers can't cross when killing unarmed black people."

"I think they stuck to the believable facts. I don't think the prosecution played games, as far as trying to embellish and make things worse," Sorrels said. "They didn't need to."
Prosecutors won a rare murder conviction in a police-involved shooting. Here's what made Amber Guyger's case different

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"I was listening to some people say they agreed with 28 (years)," said a male juror, identified in court only as Juror 21. "I asked for a lighter sentence."

Another member of the jury, identified as Juror 34, added: "I'm a be honest and true. I was like, 'I can't give her 28 years.'"

"I felt like this case was not like any other case," Juror 34 said. "You can't compare this case to any of those other officers killing unarmed black men. Those officers that kill unarmed black men, when they got out, they went back to living their lives. Amber Guyger, ever since she killed that man, she has not been the same. She showed remorse in that she's going to have to deal with that for the rest of her life."

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Juror 21 said that "all 12 of us said she was guilty probably within five minutes of being in there." That's because Guyger had testified during the trial that she intended to kill Jean — which is used to establish murder in Texas.

"She said before she even went inside, she made up her mind outside the door that she was going to kill the threat," Juror 34 said.

"They were asking us to take an eye for an eye for Botham," he said, "and I feel like he isn't someone who would take an eye for an eye. He would turn the other cheek."

"It kind of helped us feel like we ended up in the right decision," Juror 21 said.

"That will be closer to justice," Merritt said, "but that is a whole separate conversation from the spiritual release of forgiveness."

"One thing Botham can teach us all is that we should all love each other instead of hate each other," Juror 34 said. "I honestly think that if Botham had gotten shot and not killed, he would have forgiven Amber Guyger."
"I can't give her 28 years": Jurors in Amber Guyger murder trial speak out

 

[Amber29]

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"I, for one, was not expecting a white police officer to be convicted on the more serious charge for killing a black man, however bizarre the circumstances," CNN Opinion contributor Jill Filipovic wrote.

"What this guilty verdict may at least show is there are some lines even white police officers can't cross when killing unarmed black people."

"I think they stuck to the believable facts. I don't think the prosecution played games, as far as trying to embellish and make things worse," Sorrels said. "They didn't need to."
Prosecutors won a rare murder conviction in a police-involved shooting. Here's what made Amber Guyger's case different

I hate that this has to be about race. Even the black juror in the interview said this shooting does not compare to other instances of white officers shooting unarmed back men and she is right. It does not compare.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

#justiceforbothamjean hashtag on Instagram • Photos and Videos

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[sloane7777]

I am with you, I think the investigation is appropriate and she could be sanctioned. But as far as her trial actions I think she did a great job.

except for allowing the castle law , that's really concerning when you are in someone else's castle it could open a can of worms we don't want!

 

[Hraefn]

except for allowing the castle law , that's really concerning when you are in someone else's castle it could open a can of worms we don't want!

The castle doctrine was “merged” with the mistake of fact, AFAIK. If the jury found the mistake of fact to be reasonable the castle doctrine *could* be applied by them.
But yeah, essentially that’s why this is a case that is first of its kind. Many people have said the world will just forget this, but I think this case will be taught in law schools in the future, especially if any appellate court issues a decision. It definitely could set precedent for the future.

 

[sloane7777]

Easy to say as a bystander and from your computer. Totally different to actually have to pass the judgement. Like the jurors said there was lots of crying having to make this decision, as they were unaware they would be sentencing her when they convicted her.

It is easy , it would be just as easy for me in person. One of my good friends killed another good friend accidentally but still did 20 years he is out and we are still friends, but he knows I felt he needed to do his time , because like Amber what he did was rather dumb and the other person had a promising life and career .