GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #8

[Charlot123]

Freedom From Religion Foundation files complaint against judge after giving Bible to Amber Guyger

Oct 4, 2019

The Freedom from Religion Foundation filed a complaint with the Texas State Commission on Judicial Conduct on Thursday, saying it was inappropriate for Kemp to give Guyger the Bible and read a passage from it.

The foundation says government employees “may not use the power and privilege of their offices to preach their personal religious beliefs.”

[...]

Guyger’s defense attorneys gave more context to the moment in a Thursday interview.

“The judge said you got to forgive yourself first and then they talked,” defense attorney Toby Shook said. “Amber said ‘I don’t have my Bible.’ And she said, 'I'll be right back.'” bbm

That’s when Judge Kemp left the court, went to her chambers and returned with her personal Bible to give to Guyger.

“"This is your job for the next month,” Kemp told Guyger. “You read right here: John 3:16."

ETA: @Hraefn

BBM.

Not to oppose your post, just expressing my opinion about the case, and using your citation.

Here is where Judge Kemp crosses the line. “You have to forgive yourself first” is from the area of morality. It is good that the Judge is a moral person, but her court’s job is to determine the measure of guilt, and if guilty, to decide on the punishment. Judge, instead, speaks of Christian forgiveness. It is probably the same as Christian love, and it is a wonderful subject to dwell on. But it is not her job as the judge. In her soul, she may forgive. In her court, it is about punishment. If she can not discriminate between the two issues, she should not be the judge.

There are professions where people can allow their personal beliefs to intervene with their work (”the baker” comes to mind). And there are some where it can not happen (a doctor, a pharmacist, a policeman, and a judge, too). Otherwise society will turn into chaos.

 

[Rocco]

BBM.

Not to oppose your post, just expressing my opinion about the case, and using your citation.

Here is where Judge Kemp crosses the line. “You have to forgive yourself first” is from the area of morality. It is good that the Judge is a moral person, but her court’s job is to determine the measure of guilt, and if guilty, to decide on the punishment. Judge, instead, speaks of Christian forgiveness. It is probably the same as Christian love, and it is a wonderful subject to dwell on. But it is not her job as the judge. In her soul, she may forgive. In her court, it is about punishment. If she can not discriminate between the two issues, she should not be the judge.

There are professions where people can allow their personal beliefs to intervene with their work (”the baker” comes to mind). And there are some where it can not happen (a doctor, a pharmacist, a policeman, and a judge, too). Otherwise society will turn into chaos.

1. Judge Kemp did not decide the punishment, the jury did.

2. "Patient surveys[1] show that patients welcome prayer from their nurse or physician, especially in the case of greater illness severity," according to Michael Balboni, PhD, ThM, MDiv, instructor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

3. Society is already in chaos.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“It’s not easy because it’s not normal,” Deveraux Hubbard with St Paul Baptist Church said. “It’s not natural. It’s not expected on this level from human beings. But we see time and time again that it’s possible, but it does become a process, it becomes a choice, It becomes a journey.”

This is a journey felt by many who have been impacted by violent acts, including Derrick Booth whose son was murdered in 2004.

“Understanding that forgiveness doesn’t mean that I feel like there shouldn’t be accountability for his actions,” booth said. “That’s two separate scenarios. Forgiveness for me doesn’t mean you can let him out. Forgiveness for me means I’m not harboring ill will. I’m not harboring bitterness, I’m not harboring that hatred in spite of taking my son’s life.”
Peoria pastor applauds brother’s declaration of forgiveness for Dallas police officer who killed his brother

 

[BeachSky]

Where is Amber Guyger Now?

Just before 4 a.m. Friday the former Dallas police officer convicted of murdering her unarmed neighbor and sentenced to 10 years in prison was turned over to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice to begin her time in the Texas prison system.

Guyger was transferred from the custody of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department to the state Friday, the sheriff's department confirms.

The department keeps a list of high-profile prisoners and holds some people in protective custody, but Desel said he could not provide any information on where Guyger will be imprisoned until she's been through the two- to four-week screening

 

[Charlot123]

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1. Judge Kemp did not decide the punishment, the jury did.

2. "Patient surveys[1] show that patients welcome prayer from their nurse or physician, especially in the case of greater illness severity," according to Michael Balboni, PhD, ThM, MDiv, instructor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

3. Society is already in chaos.

1) I said “her court’s job”, including the jury into the “court”. (I honestly foresaw this nitpicking). Not every court, but in the jury trial, the jurors are part of the court, no?

2) Absolutely true about the patients. Especially in severe cases. My mother, when diagnosed with cancer, invited a priest to bless her whole flat. She was never religious prior to that. When you have a hopeless illness, you cling at any piece of hope. (She also lied under some pyramidal structures that their “inventor” claimed had healing purposes. She’d do even more if promised help).

3) Chaos in the society is relative, although the mere existence of a cop like Amber gives certain credence to your statement ))). But we, women, should rest assured that all pharmacies in the area would dispense to us oral contraceptives, if we need them. When we have to drive from one pharmacy to another to find the pharmacist whose religious beliefs allow it, it will create chaos on the roads. As to the court system, an openly proselytizing Christian judge runs the risk of generating more appeals from her Muslim or Hindu defendants, creating more chaos in our legal system, etc, etc. There are professions where it should not matter, but we still are a secular society, and for a reason.

(I wonder how judge Kemp interprets "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.")

 

[Artis]

BBM.

Not to oppose your post, just expressing my opinion about the case, and using your citation.

Here is where Judge Kemp crosses the line. “You have to forgive yourself first” is from the area of morality. It is good that the Judge is a moral person, but her court’s job is to determine the measure of guilt, and if guilty, to decide on the punishment. Judge, instead, speaks of Christian forgiveness. It is probably the same as Christian love, and it is a wonderful subject to dwell on. But it is not her job as the judge. In her soul, she may forgive. In her court, it is about punishment. If she can not discriminate between the two issues, she should not be the judge.

There are professions where people can allow their personal beliefs to intervene with their work (”the baker” comes to mind). And there are some where it can not happen (a doctor, a pharmacist, a policeman, and a judge, too). Otherwise society will turn into chaos.

The judge's role is to referee on the law (and in some cases determine the sentence) and there is NOTHING in our constitution saying they have to leave their humanity or spirituality out of doing their job. Additionally, the trial was over so she did not interject any spirituality or religion into the trial. It was a personal moment between the judge and the defendant.

The atheists who have complained, have always deliberately misinterpreted "separation of church and state". Since the pathetic public indoctrination system doesn't even teach our nation's history, most people know nothing about the first amendment or the intent of the Founders. The prohibition, by the Founders, was against a state religion (like the Church of England) being created by congress, period. The first amendment also says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Two of the jurors from the Amber Guyger murder trial are speaking to the media about what went on in the jury room. Chris Krok says their reasoning may have been seriously flawed…
Chris Krok: Guyger Jurors Speak
Audio: you can skip around.
https://omny.fm/shows/chris-krok/chris-krok-guyger-jurors-speak/embed

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets.../press-release/2019/PR_AmberGuyger_100319.pdf

 

[imstilla.grandma]

She no longer shows up in the Dallas County jail system, so she apparently now is in either Huntsville or Gatesville. She's not in the TDCJ system yet. I don't know why I keep checking this, I guess I am just curious where she winds up since she was a cop.

Texas Department of Criminal Justice Offender Search

INTAKE
When admitted to a designated TDCJ intake center, offenders are photographed, iris scanned and fingerprinted as part of the identification process. Physical, dental and eye examinations are conducted. Various tests are administered to detect medical or mental health problems and to determine educational and intelligence levels. Interviews with offenders gather information relevant to family structure, criminal and social behavior, drug and alcohol involvement, military and institutional experience, as well as education and employment history.

The results of the tests and interviews are the basis for classification decisions that determine the unit of assignment, the level of security supervision, housing and job assignments. Screening and assessments during intake may be conducted to identify any treatment or special needs.
Page 4 @https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/documents/General_Information_Guide_for_Families_of_Offenders.pdf

https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/documents/Offender_Orientation_Handbook_English.pdf

 

[imstilla.grandma]

She no longer shows up in the Dallas County jail system, so she apparently now is in either Huntsville or Gatesville. She's not in the TDCJ system yet. I don't know why I keep checking this, I guess I am just curious where she winds up since she was a cop.

Texas Department of Criminal Justice Offender Search

Unit Directory
Male population
Administrative Segregation

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Rel to Woodman" - not sure but I think this means she is headed to Woodman, also in Gatesville. This might be the intake facility where they decide where to place her.


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Unit Directory
Female State Prison
Note: Segregation Unit

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/
https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/index.html
Related Links - Texas Law Enforcement



Dallas County
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TAC - Home
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https://www.county.org/About-Texas-Counties/Texas-County-Websites

 

[Thora_Jay]

My Dear fellow Websleuthers,
Hi!
I have not been able to be here for a while, lots of life happenings going on and also having a computer down for a long time. Came back on posting yesterday. OMG having to surf from a phone is a nightmare, posting from a phone is a worse nightmare.

I have been keeping up with the horrific incident of Botham since the day it first came out in the news. My heart truly hurts.

Even though I did not know him, I knew of him after his murder through the media articles that were coming in. I cannot even imagine the terror felt by Botham's family, friends and all who ever came in contact with him. It is clear that Botham left a lasting impression on all who knew him throughout his short productive life and also on ones like me, who never knew him until after his murder. Botham is a gift given to us for his 26 (nearing 27) years on earth.

I have found that I am a much better person after learning Botham's life. Yeah, I am old and you would think that I would have learned long ago by someone that I have known personally to bring me to be a more caring person.

I am honored to say that I am a better person after taking the time to hear the heart and soul of a young man so intent on helping each and every person that he could.

I honor Botham's family, friends, Harding University, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Dallas West Church of Christ, all of St. Lucia, Tricia, our Websleuthers and all others.

Thank-you for molding me into a better person.

Respectfully,
Thora_Jay

 

[Thora_Jay]

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Unit Directory
Female State Prison
Note: Segregation Unit

Yes and she will be either on constant watch or 15 minute checks for suicide. Standard for all high profile inmates.

 

[Seattle1]

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Unit Directory
Female State Prison
Note: Segregation Unit

If someone is former law enforcement, they're usually integrated into the penitentiary system beginning with level of custody known as "protective safe keeping."

Also, Texas prisons ceased using solitary confinement in 2017 which essentially added to the overburdened "segregation" units.

As Texas is known to have the nation’s largest state prison population – I believe they're equipped to handle various categories of inmates.

Texas Prisons Stop Using Solitary Confinement as Punishment, but Thousands Kept in Administrative Segregation | Prison Legal News

 

[Seattle1]

This is really a great honor and tribute to Botham Jean by PwC.

"We wanted something that would capture Bo's smile," Scott Moore, managing partner for PwC in Texas, told CNN.

"He was just the most positive person about anything: never met a stranger, always was in a good mood, never had a bad day," Moore said. "That was the thing we wanted to capture with the piece that we did on him, the energy he brought to everything he did and the impact he had on everybody."
The artwork was designed by Texas-based artists Shane Allbritton and Norman Lee.

[...]

The portrait hangs in one of the most visible parts of PwC's Dallas office, Moore said, in a communal space on the 20th floor near where people gather to grab coffee or lunch.

In the days since the portrait went up, people have been stopping by either to take photos or interact with it in other ways, Moore said. Even people who don't work at PwC have expressed interest in coming to see the tribute.

Botham Jean's former workplace is honoring him with a portrait and a room named after him - CNN

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Dallas county" | The Texas Tribune


Crimes Committed in Dallas County By Current Inmates | Texas Prison Inmates | The Texas Tribune

 

[mickey2942]

What does the oath of citizenship have to do with a murder trial?

I posted the oath, as an example that government is not completely separate from religion, specifically Christianity.

Therefore, Judge Tammy Kemp was not inappropriate for giving AG a bible.

 

[MsFacetious]

Justice Should Not Be a Shock for Black America [Video] - Guardian Liberty Voice

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Another jury is about to decide the fate of a police officer charged with killing an unarmed Black man

I do understand that Botham could have been ANYONE sitting on their couch.

I fully understand that is why his case struck a nerve and has 8 threads here.

I also understand that PTSD and nudity isn’t as comfortable for people to see.

However it still hurts a little that Anthony is on thread 1, page 1.

He needed help. He just needed help.

GA - Anthony Hill, 27, fatally shot by Dekalb County LE, 9 March 2015 *Arrest*

 

[MsFacetious]

I disagree with you.
Court was over after Brendt's victim impact statement.
That was the end of the business of the day..

When Brendt walked to AG and hugged her, Guyger broke.
It was the first and only time she broke and her tears were real... a human suddenly emerged from an icebox-
Kemp witnessed that up close, she saw and heard more than we did, she curated his permission and plea to hug Guyger.
She obtained Guyger's consent to receive that hug.
She was watching much more closey than we were, she could see more.

Guyger wasn't expecting it. Nobody expected it. It was unprecedented.
Even Guyger's lawyers cried.
I cried.
The watching world cried.

It was a major catharsis which left many of us questioning ourselves... for me, I wondered if perhaps the Christians have something ... something I need too...

In the light of that it was entirely appropriate for Judge Tammy Kemp , a woman, to reach out and embrace a newly emerging human with compassion and a gift.

Now whether it was a Bible , a copy of The Holy Qu'ran or a Buddhist doctrine, matters nothing at all.

It just happened to be a Christian bible and Guyger apparently needed one.
Why not?
Why ever not?

YES.
Exactly this!
This is PRECISELY how I’ve felt since Brandt spoke. Amazing.

It was a major catharsis which left many of us questioning ourselves... for me, I wondered if perhaps the Christians have something ... something I need too...