TX TX - Fort Worth; Mid-1980 abduction & murders; Serial killer research; 24 Mar 2021

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I tried searching different things, and there is a lot in old online archived newspapers about Mary Till, but nothing really new or that jumped out at me. It's mostly variations on the same info. It was believed she disappeared driving to her job, and nothing seems to be known about who might have killed her. In addition to her main job, she also worked part time at Ridglea Country Club. This is one article on her murder: Fort Worth Star-Telegram 18 Jan 1985, page 1 - Newspapers.com
Thankyou so much. I kind of dropped off of here due to illness. Are they sure Brown did this? It's weird that she worked at a country club because I worked at a hotel lounge. My gut tells me whoever did this to her was my attacker also. Where she was found was not far from where he took me. And I worked in Arlington where he came into the lounge I worked in twice, 6 months apart. The lounge was at Lamar and Collins in the Ramada Inn. He had every intention of killing me and leaving me in that field.
I am in the process of writing an email describing in detail everything this man did that night, my escape, and how he continued to stalk me for months. I am sending it to police departments, sheriffs departments and anyone that can try to help me find closure. It's been 40 years but it's still like yesterday.
 
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Thankyou so much. I kind of dropped off of here due to illness. Are they sure Brown did this? It's weird that she worked at a country club because I worked at a hotel lounge. My gut tells me whoever did this to her was my attacker also. Where she was found was not far from where he took me. And I worked in Arlington where he came into the lounge I worked in twice, 6 months apart. The lounge was at Lamar and Collins in the Ramada Inn. He had every intention of killing me and leaving me in that field.
I am in the process of writing an email describing in detail everything this man did that night, my escape, and how he continued to stalk me for months. I am sending it to police departments, sheriffs departments and anyone that can try to help me find closure. It's been 40 years but it's still like yesterday.
I tried to pull up the article but because I'm not a subscriber, the sentances were jumbled and filled with numbers. Thankyou so much though.
 
  • #23
Can you provide more info about Mary Till? I was kidnapped Jan. 8th 1984 from Irving, TX but I worked at Alberts Lounge in the Ramada Inn at Collins and Lamar in Arlington. That is where my kidnapper 1st saw me. Her body was found 7 miles from Hutchins, TX, where I escaped him. He had a gun, took me to a field off a long dirt road and planned to kill me. But I managed to escape. He continued to stalk me till I finally moved out of state. TY
P.S. I was able to get a ride to my brothers in Arlington by a good Samaritan. We called Arlington PD. They refused to take a report and said Hutchins is out of their jurisdiction. They said I would have to go back to Hutchins to file a report. I had no idea where Hutchins was. The good samaritan told me that is where I was. I had a car with a flat in Irving. My brother had been drinking. I had no way to get back to Hutchins, plus I was so afraid he'd be waiting for me at Hutchins PD. I asked Arlington PD if they could take me back there. They said "No. We can't go out of Tarrant County". I asked if they could call an ambulance to take me to hospital for my injuries and rape kit. They asked if I had insurance. I said "No". They said "Unless you have cash on hand to pay ambulance we can't call them". My brother was too drunk to drive me. I didn't want to go alone. I was shaking, afraid and just wanted it all to go away. I knew I had to file report and get rape tested but I was on foot. New to the area. I was wondering if it could be the same man who killed Mary Till. We looked a lot alike too. 40 years and the PTSD has ruined my life.
I am so sorry for what you went through and continue to go through - it sounds absolutely horrific. I am very disappointed and grieve the way you were treated by law enforcement. While some of the policies sound legitimate, it does not excuse not offering to make a call to the appropriate authorities and facilitate you in your situation. It was wrong for them not to do so, period. I wish you peace and answers <3
 
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I am so sorry for what you went through and continue to go through - it sounds absolutely horrific. I am very disappointed and grieve the way you were treated by law enforcement. While some of the policies sound legitimate, it does not excuse not offering to make a call to the appropriate authorities and facilitate you in your situation. It was wrong for them not to do so, period. I wish you peace and answers <3
Thankyou. I was young, not familar with LE policies and just needed help from LE. Maybe had they helped me, we could have nailed the perp before he had a chance to hurt anyone else. Thankyou so much.
 
  • #25
Thankyou. I was young, not familar with LE policies and just needed help from LE. Maybe had they helped me, we could have nailed the perp before he had a chance to hurt anyone else. Thankyou so much.
Not your job to be familiar with LE policies. It's their job to help you, whether you are in their "jurisdiction" or not. They didn't; who knows what may have happened had they responded differently, for both you and any other victims out there. You did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong in this entire situation you experienced. Please remember that and take care.
 
  • #26
The people that did the podcast thought the killer was likely Curtis Brown, but DNA evidence did prove them wrong in regards to Terri McAdam's murder. It was just their theory and nobody knows for sure who was the murderer or murderers in the other cases, including Mary Till. Her body wasn't found until 5 months later so I think they likely had no DNA or other evidence and even today probably would not be able to solve it through genetic genealogy, unfortunately. I clipped the parts of the article relevant to Mary Till: Mary Till 1

Part 2:Mary Till 2
 
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The claim your attacker made about where his sister or sister in law worked at the time should be looked into. It probably wasn't true, but maybe there's some truth in it. I do wonder if they have any clues to the person who killed Mary Till from maybe a bullet, if there was one, or the wound ( she was shot in the head) or maybe anything found under her finger nails?

If there's any DNA evidence it wouldn't be have been useful then, but it maybe now. It seems unlikely, given that her body wasn't found for five months, though. Do you remember any detailed info about the gun your attacker had? Mary's car was found burned so it's unlikely they got any finger print evidence from it. Finger print technology has gotten better, too.
 
  • #30
I'm so glad for the recent ID of Ms. McAdams killer. That, along with Ms. Till's killer's conviction, and quite likely Curtis Brown being active shows that there were at least 2 and very likely 3 or more killers among this group of 7 cases. So, there was not a single killer, but multiple, among these victims as thought (and all of those not included, found and not, of which there are quite a few).
 
  • #31
Three journalists have teamed together to analyze the abduction and murder of seven young women in the mid-1980s. In their podcast still …, they dive into seven cold cases that span from 1983 to 1985, all closely related and occurring in North Texas. The team believes these murders to be the work of one serial killer.

During this three-and-a-half-year time period, approximately two dozen cases occurred in the Fort Worth area, consisting mostly of the abduction, rape, and murder of women. The team chose these seven cold cases to be their focus because they were closely related and did not fit the demographic of the other killings, which appeared to include prostitutes and other criminal activity.

The trio’s research revealed that during the mid-1980s, six serial killers were operating in North Texas.

“These two dozen murders prompted the formation of a task force in Fort Worth,” Gary said, speaking to me recently along with Karin and Hughes from the Andersons’ home in Garland and Hughes’ home in Alabama.

“Though each of those murderers are now either dead or incarcerated,” Karin added, “police aren’t certain that all of the victims have been identified. They could only identify the ones that they were able to link through DNA or confessions.”

In the first episode of still … that aired in late January, the hosts discuss the murders out of chronological order. The first murder was a cold case from August 1983. Twenty-seven-year-old Mary Till left her apartment in Arlington around 9 a.m. and headed toward her workplace at a downtown Dallas law firm. She didn’t arrive for work that morning, and her car was found 10 miles from the office with the interior burnt. Five months later, her body was found in a field not far from her car. She had been shot in the head.

The second murder took place in November of the same year. Sandra Bush, 21, left her southeast Fort Worth home at 6:45 p.m. without telling her family where she was going. Her car was found outside a bar on the North Side, wiped clean of fingerprints, with a bloody pillowcase in the backseat. Her body was discovered months later in a field near her car. She had been strangled.

In September 1984, 23-year-old Catherine Davis returned to her apartment in southwest Fort Worth around midnight. Neighbors heard angry voices and witnessed a man shut the door to her apartment and leave in her car. Just hours later, her home was engulfed in flames. Her vehicle was found after several days, just a few miles away. Coat hangers with human blood were found inside her car, and blood was smudged on the door handle. Davis’ body was found less than seven miles from her apartment.

Less than a month after Davis’ murder, 23-year-old Cindy Heller disappeared after assisting a stranded female driver in southwest Fort Worth. Heller left a note on the door of the driver’s friend’s apartment, trying to help them get in contact with each other. Months later, Heller’s body was found nude in a pond on the TCU campus. She had been strangled.

That December, 21-year-old Angela Ewert stopped at a convenience store after leaving her fiancé’s house in southwest Fort Worth around 11 p.m. She headed east, but several miles down the road, she pulled over with a flat tire, which appeared to have been stabbed. Her body wasn’t found until 1993 in a field in south Tarrant County. Her purse was located in a pond in southwest Fort Worth, close to where Heller’s body was discovered.

The sixth victim who was analyzed was 15-year-old Sarah Kashka in late December of 1984. After being dropped off by her date, intending to visit a friend in southwest Fort Worth, she was last seen walking across the street to a Dairy Queen. Her body was found a few days later in a creek in southwest Dallas, stabbed to death.

“I think that this man felt power by stealing the lives of beautiful women,” Karin said. “I think that gave him a sense of omnipotence and that he could do anything he wanted if he could steal the young beautiful women off of the street and kill them.”

The seventh victim is Terri McAdams. She arrived at her fiancé’s apartment in Arlington around 6:30 p.m. on the eve of Valentine’s Day in 1985 and was expected to pick him up from the airport the following day. Around 10:30 p.m., an intruder broke in, raped her, and beat her to death.
<i>still</i>… Waiting
I lived near Ft Worth and worked there during these murders. It was terrifying. There (I need to check dates) was a young girl living with her family in a motel in S. Arlington murdered before or around this same time. Nobody has ever tied these cases together, but they’ve always seems related to me. These cases have haunted me my entire adult life.
 
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I lived near Ft Worth and worked there during these murders. It was terrifying. There (I need to check dates) was a young girl living with her family in a motel in S. Arlington murdered before or around this same time. Nobody has ever tied these cases together, but they’ve always seems related to me. These cases have haunted me my entire adult life.
I remember everyone speculating it was a cop or someone in a car and inform that looked like a cop… idk, but I had a strange experience in 84 on 7th street in Ft Worth. I left work and turned onto 7th going east into DT. Almost immediately flashing lights were behind me. I slowed down abs pulls over (plenty of room on the side). The office asked me to turn onto the next street (possibly 1block) and pull over. I did and stopped as close to the corner and street light as possible. He then directed me to pull up further, (out of the street light). I locked my doors and barely rolled down my window. Unfortunately I can’t remember exactly what he said about him pulling me over, but it was a strange encounter. Granted this was the first time in my life I’d been pulled over… so…. However I remember telling him I was on my way home from work and he let me go. No warning - nothing. He followed me for quite some distance until I got on I30. That encounter was always off to me. Couldn’t describe him bc where I had to pull was so dark! It could have just been me being paranoid due to rumors and never being pulled over before, but still feels like something was off about it.
 
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I remember everyone speculating it was a cop or someone in a car and inform that looked like a cop… idk, but I had a strange experience in 84 on 7th street in Ft Worth. I left work and turned onto 7th going east into DT. Almost immediately flashing lights were behind me. I slowed down abs pulls over (plenty of room on the side). The office asked me to turn onto the next street (possibly 1block) and pull over. I did and stopped as close to the corner and street light as possible. He then directed me to pull up further, (out of the street light). I locked my doors and barely rolled down my window. Unfortunately I can’t remember exactly what he said about him pulling me over, but it was a strange encounter. Granted this was the first time in my life I’d been pulled over… so…. However I remember telling him I was on my way home from work and he let me go. No warning - nothing. He followed me for quite some distance until I got on I30. That encounter was always off to me. Couldn’t describe him bc where I had to pull was so dark! It could have just been me being paranoid due to rumors and never being pulled over before, but still feels like something was off about it.
I want to know 100% for sure what happened to the women and girls!
 

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