Identified! Tx - Galveston, Hispmale 'little Jacob' Up17178, 3-5, Jayden Alexander Lopez, Oct'17 *arrest*

[Bohemian]

GPD says he was placed in the water locally in Galveston County. I think it's likely he was walked into the water from the beach front, or tossed into the ship channel at the end of the island. I will try to get some pictures for you all so you can get a better idea of the area.

All the info is somewhere near the start of ‘Little Jacob’s’ thread. Maps, one of your photos of the channel, possible matches, which children where submitted to LE, etc.

 

[Bit of hope]

Just bringing this post over from Marcos Macedo's thread.



BBM.

Pretty odd statement? It's about 250 miles from Galveston to Longview... would isotopes be that specific? If not, I wonder what that statement refers too?

Hi AnaP, indeed a strange statement. Do they mean with 'that child' little Jacob, odd way to say it, and how would they know? My understanding of Isotopes in America is that they can't even pinpoint an exact state, only a range of possible states. Until now I didn't see anything about little Jacob's isotopes, what doesn't mean that they have them by now. And conclusion is he is not from America? Confusing.

 

[DakotaMayi]

It’s possible his mother met a similar fate and her remains are yet to be discovered. Just a (jaded and sad) thought.

Like Karlie & little Khandalyce, no one even knew they were missing.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Siblings went missing, one day apart. Sept 2014 Mother tells authorities and family "they are fine, I placed them in a new child care" She is admitted to nuthouse. Bodies never found.
UID Jane doe Madison county texas (150 miles from Galveston) found in suitcase had feeding tube. Sept. 2016.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28541/1
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/15905

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28539/0

http://people.com/crime/troy-turner-speaks-missing-kids-sarah-jacob-hoggle/ Pics of light brown hair gets darker.

LIttle Jacob facial hair (possible side affect from congenital hyperinsulinism )
Feeding tube's are also peristant with this condition.
These two missing kids look alot like UID jane doe Madison county and Little jacob.
IMO

I don't think either of these are the Hoggle children.

But, my Madison :heartbeat:

 

[DakotaMayi]

He would probably be closer to 5 or 6 if he had started to shed his baby teeth. He could also be smaller end of the growth chart if he was malnourished and suffered from something like congenital hyperinsulinism.

I think it was said that he was half the weight he should have been.

 

[Bit of hope]

All the info is somewhere near the start of ‘Little Jacob’s’ thread. Maps, one of your photos of the channel, possible matches, which children where submitted to LE, etc.

I read the whole thread by now...thank you -everybody- for caring and working hard on this case. A couple of thoughts

- He was deceased before entering the water, no cause of death yet, but it wasn't drowning, so somebody had to put him there and he could be, but probably is not on a missing persons list
- It's highly possible he was suffering from a medical condition, seeing the facial hair. Signs of neglect, malnutrition points to the fact that the parent(s)caretakers didn't have the money/skills/love to take care of him properly, in the way they should
- He could be biracial or Mexican. Being circumcised could be a clue. Like AnaP said there are not a lot of people circumcised in Mexico. I'm not sure what is common in the US, but I associate circumcision with mostly Islamic and Jewish practice.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Hi AnaP, indeed a strange statement. Do they mean with 'that child' little Jacob, odd way to say it, and how would they know? My understanding of Isotopes in America is that they can't even pinpoint an exact state, only a range of possible states. Until now I didn't see anything about little Jacob's isotopes, what doesn't mean that they have them by now. And conclusion is he is not from America? Confusing.

I agree. I thought the same of isotopes, they seem to give a "region" rather than actual state, much less narrowing it down to a city or town.

With Madison, it was said that she could have been from Southeast Arizona, New Mexico or even parts of Mexico. So it usually isn't narrowed down that specifically. Not with isotope analysis anyway.

 

[DakotaMayi]

I agree. I thought the same of isotopes, they seem to give a "region" rather than actual state, much less narrowing it down to a city or town.

With Madison, it was said that she could have been from Southeast Arizona, New Mexico or even parts of Mexico. So it usually isn't narrowed down that specifically. Not with isotope analysis anyway.

For anyone interested who hasn't come across Madison's thread yet, here's who I am speaking about: Thread.

 

[jessie]

I agree. I thought the same of isotopes, they seem to give a "region" rather than actual state, much less narrowing it down to a city or town.

With Madison, it was said that she could have been from Southeast Arizona, New Mexico or even parts of Mexico. So it usually isn't narrowed down that specifically. Not with isotope analysis anyway.

This sent me to read up on isotope analysis. Found this article so putting the link for info. Rather long article covering differing aspects of isotope analysis in forensics, but written in simple understandable language for those, like me, of a non-scientific bent.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/47794/title/Forensics-2-0/

ETA There is also a map in the above link but I can't copy that (someone can maybe?) with these explanations:-

ISOMAP: This map shows estimates of oxygen isotope ratios (essentially 18O:16O) expected in the hair of people living throughout the lower 48 United States. The values are derived from observed isotope ratios in tap water and hair samples. Researchers can create similar maps for isotopes of a handful of other elements, such as hydrogen and strontium, using values from human tissues, soil, or rainwater. Such maps are being used by criminal investigators to reconstruct the geographic origin or travel history of victims or suspects.

 

[Cryptic]

I'm not sure what is common in the US, but I associate circumcision with mostly Islamic and Jewish practice.

The U.S. is complex in regards to it.

In say, the 1940s, few men were circumcised. By the 1970s, nearly every male was circumcised for vague health reasons that were really just a way to justify what had become a very common cultural, but not a religous practice. Circumcision rates have since fallen, but it is still a fairly common practice here.

 

[Lyssav]

I think the info I pulled about circumcision was based on rates in 2010.

 

[AmyPond]

I read the whole thread by now...thank you -everybody- for caring and working hard on this case. A couple of thoughts

- He was deceased before entering the water, no cause of death yet, but it wasn't drowning, so somebody had to put him there and he could be, but probably is not on a missing persons list
- It's highly possible he was suffering from a medical condition, seeing the facial hair. Signs of neglect, malnutrition points to the fact that the parent(s)caretakers didn't have the money/skills/love to take care of him properly, in the way they should
- He could be biracial or Mexican. Being circumcised could be a clue. Like AnaP said there are not a lot of people circumcised in Mexico. I'm not sure what is common in the US, but I associate circumcision with mostly Islamic and Jewish practice.

I think that right now, in the U.S....it seems like circumcision rates varies a LOT on where you live. For example, I think in some states, insurance doesn't cover it...which means it's not as common. But I know in my states, the majority of baby boys are still circumcised regardless of religion.

So basically what I'm saying is that this information about Jacob probably isn't super helpful in figuring out where he came from.

 

[Bohemian]

I read the whole thread by now...thank you -everybody- for caring and working hard on this case. A couple of thoughts

- He was deceased before entering the water, no cause of death yet, but it wasn't drowning, so somebody had to put him there and he could be, but probably is not on a missing persons list
- It's highly possible he was suffering from a medical condition, seeing the facial hair. Signs of neglect, malnutrition points to the fact that the parent(s)caretakers didn't have the money/skills/love to take care of him properly, in the way they should
- He could be biracial or Mexican. Being circumcised could be a clue. Like AnaP said there are not a lot of people circumcised in Mexico. I'm not sure what is common in the US, but I associate circumcision with mostly Islamic and Jewish practice.

Also Roman Catholics, at least in Australia. A lot of Hispanics are adherents of the Catholic religion, I believe, due to their countries’ Spanish colonisation. Unnecessary medical procedure really and slowly dying out here. Maybe a clue to Jacob’s identity could be found in Baptism records.

 

[Bohemian]

This sent me to read up on isotope analysis. <rsbm>

ETA There is also a map in the above link but I can't copy that (someone can maybe?) with these explanations:-

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From jessie&#8217;s post #889 above (with map added):

Found this article so putting the link for info. Rather long article covering differing aspects of isotope analysis in forensics, but written in simple understandable language for those, like me, of a non-scientific bent.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/47794/title/Forensics-2-0/

ISOMAP: This map shows estimates of oxygen isotope ratios (essentially 18O:16O) expected in the hair of people living throughout the lower 48 United States. The values are derived from observed isotope ratios in tap water and hair samples. Researchers can create similar maps for isotopes of a handful of other elements, such as hydrogen and strontium, using values from human tissues, soil, or rainwater. Such maps are being used by criminal investigators to reconstruct the geographic origin or travel history of victims or suspects.

 

[jessie]

@ Bohemian and AnaPisces :tyou: x

 

[DakotaMayi]

@ Bohemian and AnaPisces :tyou: x

You're welcome. I deleted mine as I just saw Bo's post! :doh: Thanks Both!

 

[Bit of hope]

Also Roman Catholics, at least in Australia. A lot of Hispanics are adherents of the Catholic religion, I believe due to their Spanish colonisation. Unnecessary medical procedure really and slowly dying out. Maybe a clue to Jacob’s identity could be found in Baptism records.

Thank you BO and other posters for broaden my understanding about the circumcise practice. I will let this be for now. I can see it will not be helpful narrowing things down. Maybe with finding a MP this could become useful again, as far this information is listed or known for a missing child, for a rule out/in.

 

[Bohemian]

Thank you BO and other posters for broaden my understanding about the circumcise practice. I will let this be for now. I can see it will not be helpful narrowing things down. Maybe with finding a MP this could become useful again, as far this information is listed or known for a missing child, for a rule out/in.

It could be if CODIS or familial DNA database searches don&#8217;t produce results. Less labour intensive and more conclusive results than cross-checking children against Baptism records and tracking them down. Local LE and the FBI seems to be throwing a lot of resources into finding out Jacob&#8217;s identity. If anyone can solve this mystery, they can. Bless them x

 

[Bohemian]

Like Karlie & little Khandalyce, no one even knew they were missing.

After their remains were discovered, identified and matched to one another, I believe anything is possible irt mispers/UID persons. Even if it is not known conclusively by their loved ones that they are involuntary missing/murdered.

 

[Bohemian]

I agree. I thought the same of isotopes, they seem to give a "region" rather than actual state, much less narrowing it down to a city or town.

With Madison, it was said that she could have been from Southeast Arizona, New Mexico or even parts of Mexico. So it usually isn't narrowed down that specifically. Not with isotope analysis anyway.

It may be because Jacob&#8217;s case is suspected to be related to another DHS investigation, eg; people smuggling/trafficking.