GUILTY TX - Haruka Weiser, 18, found murdered, UT-Austin campus, 3 April 2016 *Arrest*

[SpanishInquisition]

If you Google the phrase "snakes as a lizard without legs" you will get a bunch of entries which indicate to me that this was some sort of school project possibly involving picking a topic of interest, basic research, 'copying and pasting', selecting imagery and fonts, creating different kinds of formats and presentations, and uploading the document to a variety of locations on the internet.

Not sure it involves anything more than that, imo.

I'm not sure either, but when you have an alleged rapist who has had homework effectively describing rape, it does make you wonder what they thought when they did this. That he just cut and pasted this from somewhere else as part of assigned homework, he could in his own mind see rape as 'natural' with him acting out what he read online and as part of homework. If someone is a twisted rapist, their minds probably work differently than a normal person's, like this homework assignment could have got him sexually excited.

 

[i.b.nora]

He is a seventeen year old male. I think just about anything could get a seventeen year old male sexually excited.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think I read that he plagarized the snake report.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I think I read that he plagarized the snake report.

Yes, I said he cut and pasted it. This is someone who is accused of physically forcing themselves on a female, so I really wonder what he was thinking reading about males forcing themselves on females as part of his homework. I don't think this was his first assault and this paper was published around the time the serial rapes started happening in Austin, not that I think he did all of them or maybe any of them, but there could other unsolved rapes that he did do in Austin or other cities, which is why LE is running his DNA. I think this was in one or more ways an escalation of something he had done previously, not that this murder was his first time doing something like and this.

 

[x_files]

It's an inside to his psyche IMHO.
People leak all the time w/o knowing they are doing so.

 

[Doghairrules]

He had just as much of a chance, as his sister had, environment wise. She made her own life better, he was unable/unwilling to do so.

Yes, but people start with different brain constructs and often siblings who grow up together ha every different experiences in a family. I was horribly abused by my mother. My four brothers were not. Their memories of childhood are very different than mine. Fortunately I had the resources to spend most of 25 years in therapy.

I'm really not excusing him, but the odds were definitely stacked to start off with and now other people are paying the price for his behavior.

 

[x_files]

Yes, but people start with different brain constructs and often siblings who grow up together ha every different experiences in a family. I was horribly abused by my mother. My four brothers were not. Their memories of childhood are very different than mine. Fortunately I had the resources to spend most of 25 years in therapy.

I'm really not excusing him, but the odds were definitely stacked to start off with and now other people are paying the price for his behavior.

He also has a different biological father, therefore different DNA. Who knows what his father is like. He could be a violent offender or have mental issues.

 

[MsArk]

This article pretty much summed up, what I think we pretty much suspected. I knew he didn't just run away, a kid who openly talked about being bullied, and living the life he did, to up and run away from the only "family" life he's known would surprise me. I do wholeheartedly believe grandma kicked him out, now it definitely could have been for religious reasons as stated, or he could have been misbehaving, she told him to leave and that's when he decided not to return. We may never know the whole truth. One thing is for certain, my heart breaks for Harukas family, and probably foolishly I do have some sadness for him as well. (Please don't hang me, the most important people in this child's life failed him from the start) I am in NO WAY excusing his behavior, nor his actions, it's just such a terrible situation all around.

BBM
I couldn't agree more. Absolutely nothing absolves him from the horror he inflicted upon Haruka, the grief from which her family and friends will never fully recover, and the sadness that permeates the entire student body. Yet, MC's life (or so it seems) was filled with rejection, abuse, addiction and many other dysfunctions not yet reported. While obvious, it is a tragedy beyond belief.

 

[dotr]

It's an inside to his psyche IMHO.
People leak all the time w/o knowing they are doing so.

The murder ( allegedly ) involved air (choke), fire ( possessions) and water (body )
Maybe consciously maybe not, fwiw, imo.

 

[x_files]

and how he may view sex. non-consensual but not really rape a justification.

 

[Safeguard]

I want to be careful not to create a narrative for the accused, that doesn't exist. ( sad, angry foster child. Rage Against The Machine).

Grandmother said he was prone to fits of rage, and would snap at the slightest provocation. She also said she feared he would kill someone, or be killed when he left her home...

No one likes to believe kids can be psychopathic/Antisocial without attributing that to environmental influences. Yet there is much evidence to make the case that does, in fact, occur.

Mom is clearly disturbed, and trying to capitalize on her son's murderous infamy.
Mental health issues seem to abound in this family, Lord only knows what "Dad" was like!

I have a hunch, this kid could have been adopted by royalty and raised in the lap of luxury, and it still wouldn't have resulted in a healthy personality.

You can plant a poisonous seed in the most fertile rose garden, but it won't grow into a rose.

God help me, but I have zero compassion for this guy's past hardship. If I ever hear another word about how terrible his life was, or what a painfully abusive past he endured, It will be too soon! Anyone in possession, of a human soul, could not have done what he did, to that lovely young woman!

 

[x_files]

with all violent offenders they all share abusive, chaotic, neglectful childhoods. I've yet to find a case were abuse, or mental illness doesn't come into play during the formative years. (If so please list an example. I'm very curious to study the case) If he was prone to violence (DNA) nature his environment would have to nurture empathy and love to counter it, even then there's no guarantee.
Even so many abused children do not grown up to become abusers but work to help others that are abused.

 

[peacehope]

with all violent offenders they all share abusive, chaotic, neglectful childhoods. I've yet to find a case were abuse, or mental illness doesn't come into play during the formative years. (If so please list an example. I'm very curious to study the case) If he was prone to violence (DNA) nature his environment would have to nurture empathy and love to counter it, even then there's no guarantee.
Even so many abused children do not grown up to become abusers but work to help others that are abused.

Nature and nurture both plays a role.

 

[x_files]

Nature and nurture both plays a role.

Agreed. It is true. Both are extremely important in shaping a child

 

[dotr]

with all violent offenders they all share abusive, chaotic, neglectful childhoods. I've yet to find a case were abuse, or mental illness doesn't come into play during the formative years. (If so please list an example. I'm very curious to study the case) If he was prone to violence (DNA) nature his environment would have to nurture empathy and love to counter it, even then there's no guarantee.
Even so many abused children do not grown up to become abusers but work to help others that are abused.

Although parents divorced and the former Col. went to boarding school, he otherwise appeared to have a charmed life.
Yet,the sex assaults and murders he committed were beyond sick and nasty, imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams_(colonel)

 

[Safeguard]

Dennehy was a pathological liar. She routinely claimed she had served time for murdering her father after years of abuse, which was a lie. Her father, Kevin, a security guard, is alive and well. Neither he, nor her mother Kathleen, had ever been investigated over such claims. Her family say she had a happy and loving childhood in Hertfordshire, but descended into drink and drugs as a teenager. “I think the people, the drugs and the environment she went into triggered something dark inside her,” her sister Maria told the mail"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-who-turned-into-a-serial-killer-9124128.html

This is one interesting example, there are many, many more...

And what about Karla Homolka? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka By all accounts she had a loving stable home life.

"Was Karla Homolka a Normal Child? The Answer Is a Resounding No."

http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/2...a-normal-child-the-answer-is-a-resounding-no/

So yeah, it does happen that an individual can come hard wired to kill...

 

[peacehope]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/universi...haruka-weiser-jeanne-clery-act-113852659.html

 

[x_files]

Not to derail the thread, but I thought Karla Homolka is a psychopath. Her family life did seem well adjusted. I feel bad for her sister and her remaining parents.
EDIT: According to the article link you posted she showed early signs of cruelty to animals and other children extremely controlling and obsessive behavior with an abusive alcoholic father calling her " and a ." ok, that cannot be over-looked there's some form of abuse along with her possible psychopathy brewing.
"However, when Karel drank he had the bad habit of calling Karla a or a . "

 

[Safeguard]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/universi...haruka-weiser-jeanne-clery-act-113852659.html

Another lovely young woman taken too soon!
30 years later, it's good that she is being remembered and credited with helping catch this killer!

I am puzzled as to this, "shiny rigid" object, that is repeatedly referred to, which the perp pulled from the back of his pants... It's mentioned in this article also... No mention of what it was, and they are saying the victim was, assaulted and strangled, not stabbed, or bludgeoned...

I wonder what the significance of this "object" is?

 

[Safeguard]

Not to derail the thread, but I thought Karla Homolka is a psychopath. Her family life did seem well adjusted. I feel bad for her sister and her remaining parents.
EDIT: According to the article link you posted she showed early signs of cruelty to animals and other children extremely controlling and obsessive behavior with an abusive alcoholic father calling her " and a ." ok, that cannot be over-looked there's some form of abuse along with her possible psychopathy brewing.
"However, when Karel drank he had the bad habit of calling Karla a or a . "

That "abuse" reportedly occurred, primarily, after she took up with Paul Bernardo. I find it highly unlikely that the level of verbal abuse, was what created a psychopath who killed her own little sister. If that were true most of us would have the same pathology, as no one has *perfect* childhoods. Even in best of families there is some bad, and in worst there is some good. It is probably possible to find abuse in anyone's backround, if you look hard enough.

It is a facinating subject, the "Bad Seed"... But one that will likely never be accepted by society, in general, as it would impart a heavy stima to the children of convicted violent offenders, and would be problematic for those raising such children. Never the less, genetic pathology most certainly exists.