TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, Fnd Deceased, & Margo Carey, 2 weeks, Fnd Alive, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #11

[Momof4RN]

I've been wondering about a scenario where MF tells a cousin/friend that she has delivered her baby Luna, in Austin, and that her friend HB has taken her as her own, is deluded and has renamed her, and is refusing to hand her over. She doesn't want the authorities involved. This can be sorted out if they can get her away from her apartment, and take her phone away from her. This person then becomes involved in the incident and because it ended in murder they think they won't be believed since they now know it wasn't MF's baby. MF told them they would both say they were together at the beach that day. It explains why MF would have given an alibi story that police could check with, and why the person wouldn't have been in the story about the birthing centre the same day, thinking that MF gave birth weeks before.

Perhaps it's too far-fetched but I do wonder about her alibi.

Everything about this heartbreaking case is so far-fetched so sounds like your theory would fit right in!

 

[Tortoise]

Everything about this heartbreaking case is so far-fetched so sounds like your theory would fit right in!

That is very true.

It gives MF someone else to blame too.

 

[kittythehare]

It's the most direct route, so yes, that's what I'd expect. (I posted the route thirty million threads ago that I think makes the most sense, and this is on the way) Add that to her traveling that route to the birth of MC, it makes sense that she'd go that way back "home". I would imagine they have the same data later but it's not in the AA. I'm actually surprised that it's the Giddings ALPR mentioned. It's literally the world's smallest town. I'm thinking there are many other ALPRs between here and there that have her, but in order to get the AA and warrants, this was material, and data since maybe not so much, so not for public consumption.

How many apartments faced on to the parking lot where they met? What is the likelihood of there being more than one witness or doorbell cctv within all the apartments there?

 

[espirtu pampa]

I've been wondering about a scenario where MF tells a cousin/friend that she has delivered her baby Luna, in Austin, and that her friend HB has taken her as her own, is deluded and has renamed her, and is refusing to hand her over. She doesn't want the authorities involved. This can be sorted out if they can get her away from her apartment, and take her phone away from her. This person then becomes involved in the incident and because it ended in murder they think they won't be believed since they now know it wasn't MF's baby. MF told them they would both say they were together at the beach that day. It explains why MF would have given an alibi story that police could check with, and why the person wouldn't have been in the story about the birthing centre the same day, thinking that MF gave birth weeks before.

Perhaps it's too far-fetched but I do wonder about her alibi.

Then this means two derange/insane persons not knowing anything about law. Are there many of these in Louisiana and Texas ?

 

[yllek]

Maybe MF hasn't been charged with murder yet because she's already incarcerated and LE is using this time to gather as much damning evidence as possible (and perhaps entice a confession).

And/or........LE is currently checking out all of MF's associates, diving deeper into her phone and electronic records, and scouring video footage to determine more definitely whether she acted alone.

I wish we knew whether MF's talking to investigators or all clammed up.

 

[espirtu pampa]

I've been wondering about a scenario where MF tells a cousin/friend that she has delivered her baby Luna, in Austin, and that her friend HB has taken her as her own, is deluded and has renamed her, and is refusing to hand her over. She doesn't want the authorities involved. This can be sorted out if they can get her away from her apartment, and take her phone away from her. This person then becomes involved in the incident and because it ended in murder they think they won't be believed since they now know it wasn't MF's baby. MF told them they would both say they were together at the beach that day. It explains why MF would have given an alibi story that police could check with, and why the person wouldn't have been in the story about the birthing centre the same day, thinking that MF gave birth weeks before.

Perhaps it's too far-fetched but I do wonder about her alibi.

Then this means two derange/insane persons not knowing anything about law. Are there many of these in Louisiana and Texas ?

 

[Optics]

I'm not sure Heidi went anywhere willingly without a car seat. MF must have had one though if she was the sole perpetrator of this.

I am thinking there was a car seat for infants. (Infants and toddlers now require different ones). With all the planning MF did - she had also told Heidi on Dec 8 or 9 that she herself had given birth. It may not have been seen by the witness who spotted Heidi & Margo getting in the back seat, which is understandable.
Whatever lie MF used to lure HB & Margo into her vehicle must have been very believable. My opinion only is that MF may have used some excuse like her own baby is with a friend or relative in Austin, here is a chance for you Heidi to see my baby, come with me and we'll drive over. Or even my newborn baby has some urgent medical issue, I need your support Heidi".
Point being that MF had already told Heidi she herself had given birth, so she would have to cover her 'bases' that way and I feel she used an excuse to lure HB away based on that. I feel in executing her plan that MF had to have an excuse to have HB believe her long enough, for MF to drive to a location secure enough away from the apartment to reveal her true evil motive - which we all know of now.
^MOO

 

[Trudie]

I am thinking there was a car seat for infants. (Infants and toddlers now require different ones). With all the planning MF did - she had also told Heidi on Dec 8 or 9 that she herself had given birth. It may not have been seen by the witness who spotted Heidi & Margo getting in the back seat, which is understandable.
Whatever lie MF used to lure HB & Margo into her vehicle must have been very believable. My opinion only is that MF may have used some excuse like her own baby is with a friend or relative in Austin, here is a chance for you Heidi to see my baby, come with me and we'll drive over. Or even my newborn baby has some urgent medical issue, I need your support Heidi".
Point being that MF had already told Heidi she herself had given birth, so she would have to cover her 'bases' that way and I feel she used an excuse to lure HB away based on that. I feel in executing her plan that MF had to have an excuse to have HB believe her long enough, for MF to drive to a location secure enough away from the apartment to reveal her true evil motive - which we all know of now.
^MOO

I think most of the deets will never be known, MF & any accomplice would have to tell LE how things went down. We already know MF is a most prolific liar so any deets she might pass on would have us wondering......moo

 

[Optics]

Maybe MF hasn't been charged with murder yet because she's already incarcerated and LE is using this time to gather as much damning evidence as possible (and perhaps entice a confession).

And/or........LE is currently checking out all of MF's associates, diving deeper into her phone and electronic records, and scouring video footage to determine more definitely whether she acted alone.
I wish we knew whether MF's talking to investigators or all clammed up.

Yes agree, I am thinking because this is a complex case that LE definitely wants all their i's dotted and t's crossed for sure for an airtight case. I read that LE has 90 days to file murder charges and they haven't ruled out capital murder charges, along with taking the evidence to a Grand Jury first. (I don't know from what day the 90 days starts - probably the date of her arrest?)

 

[kittythehare]

umm from the police press conference after they discovered where Heidi was is where I got the info. As for Tim Miller, let's be clear he is not Law Enforcement. By law they don't tell him everything, and Thank God! because he was pulled in by MF's lies while LE was dealing with facts and actions. I think Tim Miller has been great with his Equsearch company but he hasn't always been successful either. He likely got the list of Heidi's friends from Shane's father who was the one that asked him to help. At the time he would have talked to LE telling him they didn't have a clear search area was a few days before they descended on MF. It is true. Even when they went to the house, (LE) they were being cautious because the only thing they knew earlier that day was CG telling them there was a baby at his house.

My feeling on their caution that day was that their appearance could endanger the child and mother's lives. It could have spurned her to kill them, if she hadn't already.
A very quick read of a double quick speed FBI profiler's report, had it happened at that stage, would have cautioned them to make haste very slowly.. it was, in effect a hostage situation, they didn't know she was dead until they got there, they allege.

 

[Trudie]

I'didn't follow this case from the begining as I was on another WS thread.

1. At about what date did HB and baby Margo's disapearance came on the News ?
2. Was their precise address at the same time given ?

I'm wondering how neigbours where not on alert as it was someone of their immediate surroundings (buidling complex).

Many thanks.

evening of 12-12 is when we first heard HB/baby M were missing. Yes, the apartment address was given. WS thread started Friday, 12-13.
It is very difficult to inform multi family structures of news, they come & go, all age groups, some watch news, some don’t, etc. the witness that observed HB getting into the backseat had no reason to believe she had witnessed the prelude to a murder/kidnapping. Moo

 

[Optics]

I think most of the deets will never be known, MF & any accomplice would have to tell LE how things went down. We already know MF is a most prolific liar so any deets she might pass on would have us wondering......moo

Yes, and if she enters a 'not guilty' plea, no doubt it goes to trial, more 'deets' would likely be revealed then. I feel for the Carey/Broussard families for the difficult road ahead in that regard. Ideally, it would be best for MF just to admit her guilt, but most often that isn't the case.

 

[Lillymac]

Early news reports cited a "neighbor" who claimed to have seen MF driving the car along a narrow lane and into the back yard. There is no such lane and there is not a gate anywhere else in the fence except the one behind the car. I'm currently guessing that the gate permanently swings on fencing close to the house, and a section of fence that the gate latches to is mounted with posts in wells in the concrete slab so the whole section can lifted out and set aside, making a wider opening. I think a later report said LE needed to "lift the fence". My guess may change as more information is released. JMO

Thanks for your comments. I have seen all those reports, but I had never seen this particular video and it appears to me the gate was open and the car was in the opening. I was asking if it appeared that way to anyone else. Did you see what I was referring to when you watched the video? I'm just asking for my clarity. ty

 

[deugirtni]

DBM, Already covered. (Behind!)

 

[Trudie]

no doubt it goes to trial, more 'deets' would likely be revealed then.

pertaining to what might have been said between HB/MF we will never know, imo. She can fabricate (she’s good at that & has a lot of time, lol), o it & add. No one can be certain if she’s speaking truth or not.
The fact that she was able to pull off a faux pregnancy since May, when she announced, leaves me wondering what she has said to date. Moo

 

[Hatfield]

I think HB’s other friend who was in delivery room was suspicious. That friend spoke to investigators on 12/17. If I remember correctly she had mentioned that MF didn’t act like someone expecting and she was taken back about how she left right away without saying a word. She felt something wasn’t right. (Paraphrasing).

Thank you as I had forgotten about that. So there was at least one of the friends who did have some "spidey sense" about her.

Trying to catch up...again...LOL

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don't think so because MF told Carissa that there might be a custody battle coming up soon. She took Margo to secure her own living and financial situation. She would have hit him for child support and whatever else she believed she could shake him down for.

Hmmmmm. I'm wonder if there's connection between MF and the other guy claiming he could be Margo's dad. Seriously we have two non Bio people who claim parentage of Margo. Both have pointed fingers directly at Shane,and said horrible things about Shane. MOO

 

[deugirtni]

MF weighs 225 and is 5'9" IIRC, last mug shot event. QB Russell Wilson is 5'10", and 207. But his is muscle. What was Heidi, 150, just after pregnancy, and 5'3"? Heidi didn't have a chance. The main thing I still really wonder about is if MF really got back in the passenger side. I suppose everyone else wonders that too of course. All MF had to do is get her off on some back road, Heidi couldn't run with the baby. It doesn't seem weird to imagine a pretense as to how she got into the car, I like the idea that someone mentioned about needing to go park.

We haven't seen any data about disturbances or evidence inside MF car, have we?

Is it possible that the 'witness' was mistaken on which direction the car was pointed, and therefore also mistaken on which side of the car both women entered on?

 

[cass523]

The part that puzzles me is that she didn't give Heidi time to strap Margo into a seat. That would have made Heidi alert to something untoward going on straight off the bat. I am almost certain that whatever emergency MF could have come up with, would not satisfy a new mother to agree to put her own baby's life at risk, with a baby seat available a few steps away in her apartment. Especially since I believe she was expecting to see MF after her phone call at 8.30am, and a greeting at the car doesn't sound like time for MF to explain a situation outside the car. I also don't think a greeting looks like a blue-light type of emergency either. Neither do I think she had an empty baby seat on the rear seats, because what would be the purpose in alarming Heidi if she didn't need to and could have given her a couple of minutes to properly secure Margo before pulling away. That would be really awkward and frightening to try to strap in such a young and floppy baby who still needs her head supported.

If MF was driving she couldn't have killed Heidi and left no one to hold Margo the rest of the journey. If she had a baby seat hidden in the trunk, again I have to ask why didn't she allow Heidi to use it and the time to strap her in it? It could add more to the theory that there might have been a third person in the car. I really don't think Heidi agreed to go anywhere when she hopped in the back. But it is puzzling that she didn't invite MF up to the apartment to chat and she knew the car wasn't properly parked. So why get in at all if it was going to be that quick? Perhaps she was expecting MF to get in the back with her to sit next to her and chat, because MF getting in the front passenger seat isn't exactly an expected arrangement for chatting. I feel possibly MF closed the door after her with the child locks on and surprised her by getting in the front.

So I agree they could have gone somewhere but I'm not sure Heidi went anywhere willingly without a car seat. MF must have had one though if she was the sole perpetrator of this. I do think her searches for bodies in Austin means she killed her in Austin and went back for her later.

My daughter purchased the car seat system where the base stays in the vehicle. Her husband also has the same base in his truck. Infant carrier latches into the base rear-facing and at the appropriate age, weight of the child, the booster seat goes into the same base next.

Just maybe MF had a system like this and Heidi too. I also can't see Heidi willingly get into the car without her daughter's safety first. I know we don't know what actually transpired with Heidi getting into MF's vehicle, just hoping there was a convertible car seat base installed or a car seat in place. The baby was strapped in regardless of the car driving off.

 

[Tortoise]

Is it possible that the 'witness' was mistaken on which direction the car was pointed, and therefore also mistaken on which side of the car both women entered on?

I don't believe so deugirtni. The witness was specific about which exit the car used, without saying the car had to make a manoever to face that way.