TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, & Margot Carey, 2 weeks, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #3

[oviedo]

He consistently refers to HB as "a great mom."

Which I'm sure she is...however, she's not HIS mom.

She's HIS girlfriend.

So why not say she's a great fiancé, or girlfriend, or partner, in addition to saying she's a great mom?

Where's the "I love her and I miss her and I just want her back?"

It's all the collective "We" language.

There's no ownership or acknowledgment of a relationship existing b/t the two of them.

That's what's missing.

JMO.

iTA

 

[katydid23]

This is why I can’t believe he is involved. I DO NOT believe he would leave his little boy sitting at that school for 4 hours. The little boy left his mind as he was genuinely searching for her. And when that call came in, he contacted LE. Please start sleuthing other possibilities. That is why we are here.

Wait...what ? >>>> 'And when that call came in, he contacted LE. '

No, not really. When that call came in at 6 pm, he went to pick up his son. He had plenty of time to call LE from his car on the way---but he didn't do so.

He came back home , grilled a sandwich for his son, then called his father. Who said ' don't worry, no need to call yet?' He didnt call LE until 7:30 pm.

So the above is incorrect, that when the call came, he contacted LE...IMO.

Also, maybe I have missed something....but where does it say he was searching for her for 4 hours? I thought he said he thought she was visiting her neighbour ?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

They didn't have to. Investigators have talked to everyone already.

I mean does this friend he said she was visiting exist?

 

[Artis]

He consistently refers to HB as "a great mom."

Which I'm sure she is...however, she's not HIS mom.

She's HIS girlfriend.

So why not say she's a great fiancé, or girlfriend, or partner, in addition to saying she's a great mom?

Where's the "I love her and I miss her and I just want her back?"

It's all the collective "We" language.

There's no ownership or acknowledgment of a relationship existing b/t the two of them.

That's what's missing.

JMO.

BBM

He did say those things.

 

[MassGuy]

He's really clear on hitting that snooze button,and glasses of water, picking up son from school, calling dad, but nothing about the several hours in between.
MOO

That’s pretty standard in situations where someone is being less than forthcoming.

A lot of extraneous information is provided during the parts of the timeline that are true, especially early on (before what happened, happened).

It’s the relevant parts that frequently leave things to be desired.

 

[Artis]

My husband is in his 50's and wears a beanie inside and outside. In fact, he's next to me on our couch right now wearing one. It's not just a Millennial thing.

And mine wears a baseball cap most of the time. He would not remove it once on because hat hair.

 

[oviedo]

RSABBM
Working out with steroids? Just a thought.

That’s my thought as well - seen this before IMO

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Okay so this whole beanie thing. Aside from the question about what he could be hiding or not hiding, for me it’s about the temperature. Can someone provide confirmation of when the videos were each filmed?

Before the cold snap we are currently in, it was very warm here in ATX, 82 on Sunday. 80s and sunny is too warm, IMO, to wear a beanie...and I’m a millennial (sadly).

I'm not a millennial, but I've been wearing a beanie these past few days as it's chilly in Cactus Land!!

 

[Lhughessk]

He consistently refers to HB as "a great mom."

Which I'm sure she is...however, she's not HIS mom.

She's HIS girlfriend.

So why not say she's a great fiancé, or girlfriend, or partner, in addition to saying she's a great mom?

Where's the "I love her and I miss her and I just want her back?"

It's all the collective "We" language.

There's no ownership or acknowledgment of a relationship existing b/t the two of them.

That's what's missing.

JMO.

He literally said “I love you” in the first video interview I looked up.

I rarely if ever hear someone refer to their fiancé as “a great fiancé”. The word great is usually followed by wife, or husband, or mom or father.

 

[Alathea]

On again/off again relationship. Child support. If you've never had a man in your life responsible for child support you might not understand just how angry they can get about it.

And if a man is jealous, or accuses the mother of having another man's child, or if she does indeed have another man's child when they are broken up and then they get back together again, it can get even more complex.

 

[missy1974]

Hey Missy...*waves...

Here's the thing that makes me suspicious...his wife's car was still there...she was supposed to pick up their 6 yr old.

So when he gets a call from the school at 6, saying she never showed up, doesn't that seem like a very red flag to him? He hasn't spoken to her since 8 am.

Her phone is off, she has a 2 week old baby with her and doesn't have the diaper bag. And she hasn't answered the phone or called him to say she wasn't picking up their son at school?

Wouldn't your husband be concerned at that point?

So given the context above, not calling for help until 7:30 seems very strange. How many red flags does he need before taking serious steps to locate his wife and newborn child?

Hi @katydid23

I'm having troubles with what are the actual facts so far. Was she supposed to pick up the son? Did the school call or not? Was it preplanned that he would pick him up at 6 knowing he would be home early?

I have listened to his interviews, I don't recall him actually saying that the school called (from what I can figure out, this was something said by a friend on FB and there is no confirmation at all)

I could see him thinking she maybe went to her friends place with the baby, goes to pick up son, assuming that she would be back home by the time he got back because she would have known the son was going to be home at that time too... he gets back and she is still not there... now the concern sinks in. I don't know this guy, I don't know their routines, and I'm not sure there is a routine at this point with a 2 week old baby. Some men just suck at being observant. I'm not sure at what point my husband would call 911 lol I'm afraid to ask!! I'm the worrier in the family, he leaves that up to me!

 

[Beth11311]

And mine wears a baseball cap most of the time. He would not remove it once on because hat hair.

IMO and personal experience wearing both, a baseball cap is really different from a beanie, heat wise.
ETA: again I take issue with wearing the beanie if it’s hot as balls outside.

 

[Alathea]

I mean does this friend he said she was visiting exist?

We really don't know. He never says he contacted her specifically, and he didn't go there to check out whether she'd been there - if "there" exists.

He did, however, sit out front of his apartment and speak with strangers as they walked by.

 

[Mariposa]

- I think he wanted to make it look like she ran off with the baby.

- It’s quite possible they don’t have video and only assume she made it back there because the car was there and she was last driving it

- Maybe there was no argument? Doesn’t take much to hit someone and stun them, then strangle or whatever.

NOT saying it’s the case here— but re the issue of why possible foul play of an infant and not just the woman/mother
-to support a cover story of ‘maybe she ran away with the baby’
-some fathers may be bonded WAY less with newborns than with older child(ren). Eliminating the newborn along with the woman may not be that difficult for those men who may see the newborn as basically still part of the mother, sad but true

 

[Artis]

BBM:

Patrick Frazee also denied Kelsey's parents access to their child, too.

Before he was arrested, anyway.

JMO.

Only we have no evidence that anything like that is going on - other than the previous poster wondering if might be.

 

[StarrDetective]

He consistently refers to HB as "a great mom."

Which I'm sure she is...however, she's not HIS mom.

She's HIS girlfriend.

So why not say she's a great fiancé, or girlfriend, or partner, in addition to saying she's a great mom?

Where's the "I love her, I miss her, and I just want her back?"

It's all this collective "We" language instead.

There's no ownership or acknowledgment of a relationship existing b/t the two of them.

That's completely missing.

JMO.

Smart thinking!

 

[gitana1]

I specifically went to find the video because of your post. I don't recall him saying "school lunches" though, unless I missed it. But I was struck by how he was laughing at his mistake, just like you said. It really threw him for a loop! Major, major tell.

2:40, "Oh man, this is hard..." giggle giggle (Hard keeping the story straight is what he means, in my opinion.)

Yeah. He didn't say school lunches. But it does sound like a moment to him.

It could be possible he was thinking of the last time he saw her. (If he is the type that laughs or smiles whenever he feels intense emotion that is shameful to him, like sorrow/crying).

 

[jellybean96]

I have a question for anyone that has had children recently within the past 5 or 10 years.

Do you always end up leaving the hospital with formal documentation (DNA test results, blood type analysis, etc.) that formally proves your child is related to you and your OH?

Or is that sometimes only given upon request of certain tests done at your request?

And if it was requested, is it possible that the results of testing like that could come in regular mail a week or more after you leave the hospital?

No, not normal. You must request those tests be done.

Here's some info about it. How Soon Can You DNA Test a Baby After Birth?| DNA Diagnostics Center

 

[Beth11311]

I'm not a millennial, but I've been wearing a beanie these past few days as it's chilly in Cactus Land!!

Absolutely, I wore one yesterday, but that’s why I’m curious when these videos were taken, since it was absolutely not cold until Monday hit

 

[ajaylee]

Wait...what ? >>>> 'And when that call came in, he contacted LE. '

No, not really. When that call came in at 6 pm, he went to pick up his son. He had plenty of time to call LE from his car on the way---but he didn't do so.

He came back home , grilled a sandwich for his son, then called his father. Who said ' don't worry, no need to call yet?' He didnt call LE until 7:30 pm.

So the above is incorrect, that when the call came, he contacted LE...IMO.

Also, maybe I have missed something....but where does it say he was searching for her for 4 hours? I thought he said he thought she was visiting her neighbour ?

I will say this, I can't believe he told his dad the bare facts: mother and child gone, baby bag and purse and car left at home, car unlocked, house door 'wide open', phone off, no contact for hours, past the lunch and dinner hour - he told his dad all this and his dad told him not to worry 'yet'?

Honestly, at that point you start checking the news and calling hospital ERs if you've already tried friends and family.

This is why I think he was asleep all afternoon. He should have realized that even if mom and baby just went to a nearby neighbor's place, hypothetically one with baby supplies to share, she wouldn't still be there at 6 at night. She'd be touching base or coming home to feed baby and herself.