TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, & Margot Carey, 2 weeks, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #3

[insearchoflight]

If they didn't use an HRD dog then they missed an opportunity to help the investigation. JMO

Dogs were used very early on.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yep exactly and I don’t think she would leave her son - if she had a plan IMO it would have included him

Agreed.

Amazing moms do not abandon their sons.

I just don't see that as a viable scenario here.

Whatever happened, that ain't it.

JMO.

 

[alexwood]

I thought it was his son? She couldn’t take his kid.

The son is the biological child of both Heidi and SC.

 

[Waterdog]

I wonder if the dumpster at the apartment is dumped on Thursdays and if so what time.

 

[BOSCOE]

Can't shake this feeling ever since I heard about Heidi and Margo. SP left permanent scars on my psyche.

The attention to detail in all the minutiae that means absolutely zilch to Heidi and Margo's vanishing.
Chaperoned interviews, beanie, not answering phone, large gaps of time unaccounted for,etc.

Makes no sense any way you slice it to me. Of course I'm not a trained psychologist so what do I know.
JMHO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Dogs were used very early on.

What kind of dogs?

 

[Artis]

Hi @katydid23

I'm having troubles with what are the actual facts so far. Was she supposed to pick up the son? Did the school call or not? Was it preplanned that he would pick him up at 6 knowing he would be home early?

I have listened to his interviews, I don't recall him actually saying that the school called (from what I can figure out, this was something said by a friend on FB and there is no confirmation at all)

I could see him thinking she maybe went to her friends place with the baby, goes to pick up son, assuming that she would be back home by the time he got back because she would have known the son was going to be home at that time too... he gets back and she is still not there... now the concern sinks in. I don't know this guy, I don't know their routines, and I'm not sure there is a routine at this point with a 2 week old baby. Some men just suck at being observant. I'm not sure at what point my husband would call 911 lol I'm afraid to ask!! I'm the worrier in the family, he leaves that up to me!

BBM

Yep.

From when he arrived home, around 2PMish, to leaving to get their little boy, he could have been doing a number of things.

He could have dropped the baby on her head, by accident, enraged Heidi and strangled her to cover it up and then took them both somewhere to dispose of their bodies. I'm sure many here are thinking along those lines.

Or...

He could have come home, noticed her car in the lot, really thought she was at a neighbor's when she wasn't home and wasn't worried about it. Then he may have crashed/eaten/taken a shower/watched TV/drank a beer/smoked a joint or any combination of ordinary things and it would account for the time, especially if he's he's a really laid back or space case type. Then as you say, when arriving home with their son, he begins to get concerned.

The fact is we have no idea how that time was passed but I know the detectives are on it.

 

[squareandrabbet]

All those were exactly mentioned in the public statement today.

One of the video'ed reporters also asked SC if he had anyone who would like to see him wronged or hurt. He said he couldn't think of anyone.

 

[WildOrchid]

I’m not following the thought here. Staged how and by whom?

What really bothers me is that it is just too neat. It seems staged. In an apartment complex that size there is always someone around. Maintenance guys are all over the complex at the beginning of their day picking up garbage, going to a called in maintenance order, etc., and no one saw anything? People are going to work or coming back in from the night shift. Apartment complexes are the quietest at the dinner hour and that would be just after dark. People would be eating dinner, watching the news, maybe having a relaxing drink, or cooking. The only thing anyone would would notice would be something out of the norm. No one would pay any attention to Shane at the dumpster because he lived there and it would be normal for him to take out the garbage.

We are to believe a woman and a newborn baby were abducted in broad daylight and no one heard or saw anything or a woman out walking with a newborn?

It all seems absolutely staged to me.

JMO.

 

[insearchoflight]

What kind of dogs?

They didn’t specify

 

[Mariposa]

It's normal if the parents are not married.

In fact, it's a law in TX to have the test done with unmarried couples, if the father wants to have rights as a father.
Paternity | Office of the Attorney General

Actually it appears that paternity can also be legally established by the couple signing a legal document called Acknowledgment of Paternity. So a DNA test is not the only way to establish legal paternity. I would put my bet that many unmarried parents sign the document and establish it that way.

 

[Alathea]

Which I find to be sketchy at best. His focus in his interviews on himself - always being sure to mention he said he loved her or the kids that day (got to show he is a good guy), over the top description of how awesome she is with no real description of looks that could actually help someone recognize her (someone brilliant referred to this as more eulogizing than descriptive), overly detailed on parts of the day not in dispute (early morning hitting snooze and drinking water) and glossing over the times we need to know about (when he came home from work until he called police)...I could go on...detached language, occasional past tense description of Heidi, etc. This just does not pass the smell test to me. Searching dumpsters for keys makes even less sense.

It also might be a small thing but something about him saying her phone was off the first day has always bagged at me - how did he know? Battery could be out, could be in a dead zone, who knows? Personally, I think he knows because he turned off her phone. I just hope I am wrong.

The part about the phone has always bothered me, too. A phone can go to VM if the person is on another call, out of area, or the battery dies. Or if they are on ignore.

Then one can recharge the battery or be back in the area later, and the call goes through.

He never says he tried to call her after 1:40. No attempt was even mentioned - not even after she was "missing".

This is just one of the several red flags, to me.

 

[gitana1]

Agreed. But if people heard or saw things that pointed to something along the lines of stranger abduction, I absolutely believe we would have heard about that by now. That would be important in locating those responsible, and of course, Heidi and her baby.

That’s why I think if these witnesses exist, we haven’t heard about it yet. There may be no benefit to releasing that information if you are focused on one particular person, and you don’t need help in locating them.

So the overall posture of law enforcement, doesn’t make me feel like they actually believe this to be a kidnapping by an unknown assailant.

Yes. LE didn't emerge for five days after she went missing. No urgent pleas to be on the lookout for them. They didn't even put up a huge poster of her at the presser. Nor did they make any personal appeals to her directly, or ask any family to do so.

When SC was asked specifically to do so by a reporter, he couldn't. He said she wouldn't leave. But he also didn't address her as if she had been kidnapped either. No "I love you. Protect our baby. We are going to find you."

 

[Seajay]

He literally said “I love you” in the first video interview I looked up.

I rarely if ever hear someone refer to their fiancé as “a great fiancé”. The word great is usually followed by wife, or husband, or mom or father.

I think had he said .”great fiancée,” it would have sounded like he was trying too hard. Darned if he does, darned if he doesn’t. He did say I love you to Heidi, he did call her Heidi, he did say she was a great mom. He might have said that in case there were websites of people questioning her skills as a mother and thinking maybe she did hard to her baby girl. I dunno.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They didn’t specify

Do you have a source for that? Maybe I can tell from the description of the dogs use by their handler. Thanks.

 

[FelicityLemon]

The dumpsters ... who really does that?

It might be a good cover for someone walking around the complex looking to see if there are surveillance cameras. It also could be, that he was at a loss for what to do and was remarking at what random, silly things he was doing to ease his mind that he was doing something to help.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Does he ever say what he did between 2 & 6 ?


I’m
Sorry if I missed previously posts - I’m unable to smoothly navigate them

 

[jellybean96]

Actually it appears that paternity can also be legally established by the couple signing a legal document called Acknowledgment of Paternity. So a DNA test is not the only way to establish legal paternity. I would put my bet that many unmarried parents sign the document and establish it that way.

yep - there's not a law that requires a DNA test. You can sign a AOP - if you are sure and there are no doubts. This is what I had to do (knew what my sons dad was). No one requires an actual DNA test unless you go to court and the court requires you to prove who the parents are (and we have nothing to suspect this has ever happened in this case).

now, if she were wanting to get services and she would need to fill out the paternity info....and if he questioned his part in this, then yes, a voluntary DNA test could be the way to go.

 

[Alathea]

Nothing. Nothing is wrong with you.

Maybe your head is right? Maybe he's just an emotionally immature person who as an adult man feels ashamed to cry on camera and so he laughs and smiles a lot when talking about things that make him well up. Maybe he was sleeping or got buzzed when he got home and slept until he got his other child. Maybe he's not the brightest guy and didn't know what to do at that moment and sort of tried to care for his kid as he woke up and began realizing all was seriously not right. Maybe he is not used to handling serious things except work.

I have my deep concerns about this case and where I think it probably tips. But there are other possibilities that for me are still on the table, though more remote. It is possible.

I mean this guy is showing emotion and we are not used to seeing that in these cases. Like I said earlier, most murder cases don't involve sociopaths. I remember watching an early episode of cops and a man killed his wife during a domestic incident. He didn't actually mean to but he did kick her in the chest. It was a terrible episode. Kids were present crying. The EMT's came and ripped open her shirt and were trying CPR. Young mom. She died.

In the background, the killer was screaming and crying, "I didn't mean to! oh God, I didn't mean to!" But he killed her during a felony assault and so it was murder.

Even when they did mean to because they flew into a rage, but then after feel deep remorse, those are more common than no emotion at all.

Nevertheless, we don't know yet what happened here. Time will tell.

Extreme, conflicting emotions would make sense if a man had flown into a rage and accidentally killed a girlfriend or spouse. Then it would also fit that the man wouldn't know what to do - wouldn't get rid of personal items - and in that case wouldn't call her family, he'd call whoever HE was closest to... before calling the police.

Of course, we have NO clue that that's what happened so we can't say that it is, but some things could make more sense.

 

[oviedo]

The part about the phone has always bothered me, too. A phone can go to VM if the person is on another call, out of area, or the battery dies. Then one can recharge the battery or be back in the area and the call goes through.

He never says he tried to call her after 1:40. No attempt was even mentioned - not even after she was "missing".

Exactly - there should be 50 calls I have called over and over if I need to get through to someone - missed calls ? Will be interesting IMO

 

[SuperTmo]

Her Mom doesn’t mention SC when she speaks about wanting them all back together

I noticed that as well. She also said something about wanting to see her grandson. I got the feeling that SC isn’t letting them see him, much like PF didn’t let Baby K see her amazing maternal grandma. I hope that isn’t the case. This little buddy needs all of the love and support he can get. I was mentally drained just watching his long interview so I’m sure actually being around him is exhausting. That little boy needs someone who can act stable and rational with him.