Found Deceased TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, murdered, baby stolen, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 *friend charged* #12

[dixiegirl1035]

I think SC never said the dog was on the balcony, moo only, I don’t have a link.
MF knows the dog, I don’t think she’d have to lure or tranq’ it.
She might have had those from when she stayed in the apartment? Idk.....guessing. Evidently Zeus isn’t aggressive, it has been said HB could let him out to do his biz & he’d return to the apartment. I don’t have time to search thru links, so MOO.
Also, idk if those are dog snacks. A local poster thought maybe a food package.
MF afraid of dogs? I think she was desperate she had no fear. Her time had expired, she had to get a baby. just so many things had to fall into place for her to pull this off.....
Moo

At times, I think law enforcement put this on her dashboard vs it was there the entire time when driving and parking car? (Agree, it is dog treats)

 

[Trudie]

At times, I think law enforcement put this on her dashboard vs it was there the entire time when driving and parking car? (Agree, it is dog treats)

Who knows.
I wonder how MF sat out back smoking, knowing Heidi was in the trunk. Idk that she did sit out there but assume she did based on the chairs.

 

[Seattle1]

HB was already outside, she didn’t “come out of the apartment”, per witness. it’d surprise me none to learn MF was in Austin very early that morning, even watching SC leave for work.

^^sbbm

It's true that the witness account begins with HB walking between two buildings carrying an infant in her arms.

Is it possible that HB and baby margo stepped outside to collect the mail (or maybe even order a new apartment key from management) and was surprised to see her best friend pull up behind parked cars and HB walked towards her and got inside when MF opened the rear door for her? Could possibly explain why HB was carrying nothing but her baby and her phone.

I think this entire event was dependant on the element of surprise. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

I just don’t think MF wanted a baby to satisfy a maternal desire. I think this all started with a lie & morphed into murder. She would not be the first woman to tell her ex “oops, I’m pregnant” after a break up. I think she couldn’t find employment suitable to afford housing & preferred to remain with CG.

^^sbm

After reading some of the info here on maternal desire psychology and MF's bizarre reaction to others holding the baby after the birth, and her storming out -- I think this is a bit more complicated than MF hatching a plan for 18 years of financial security i.e. food and shelter for two. It seems that MF manifested in her mind that she was the woman in the room giving birth to baby Margo. She was fixated on collecting "her baby" and nothing else mattered -- not even the decomposing corpse in the trunk of her car. She had what she wanted which was the baby.

Seriously, MF had HB inside the trunk of her car for a week, parked in her driveway! Like she wasn't going to get caught and the baby taken away? I think that's really messed up..... and complicated.

 

[Seattle1]

triple post

 

[Alathea]

At times, I think law enforcement put this on her dashboard vs it was there the entire time when driving and parking car? (Agree, it is dog treats)

I can't find the image of the dashboard from Heidi's parked/abandoned car in the apartment parking lot - but I saw it long ago, in a previous thread.

Wasn't there a pack of cigarettes on the passenger's side of Heidi's vehicle's dash?

Was Heidi a smoker? We know MF was/is.

Why would the cigs be on the passenger's side? Did MF sit in the car for a while at first, while chatting with Heidi? Maybe while something took effect (drugged coffee)? Or maybe SC smokes, and the cigs were just left there from a different day?

Just wondering.

ETA: Heidi's parked car (for clarity, instead of "her")

 

[Lillymac]

Who knows.
I wonder how MF sat out back smoking, knowing Heidi was in the trunk. Idk that she did sit out there but assume she did based on the chairs.

We know she sat out there with what appeared to be a Ranger. Nervy .

 

[Lillymac]

I can't find the image of her dashboard - I saw it long ago in a previous thread.

But wasn't there a pack of cigarettes on the passenger's side, too?

Was Heidi a smoker? We know MF was/is.

Why would the cigs be on the passenger's side? Did MF sit in the car for a while at first? Or maybe SC smokes, and the cigs were just left there from a different day?

Just wondering.

Do you mean CG?

 

[Alathea]

^^sbm

After reading some of the info here on maternal desire psychology and MF's bizarre reaction to others holding the baby after the birth, and her storming out -- I think this is a bit more complicated than MF hatching a plan for 18 years of financial security i.e. food and shelter for two. It seems that MF manifested in her mind that she was the woman in the room giving birth to baby Margo. She was fixated on collecting "her baby" and nothing else mattered -- not even the decomposing corpse in the trunk of her car. She had what she wanted which was the baby.

Seriously, MF had HB inside the trunk of her car for a week, parked in her driveway! Like she wasn't going to get caught and the baby taken away? I think that's really messed up..... and complicated.

Good points.

When trying to come up with all possibilities, sometimes I come up with some wild ideas.

Like: MF wasn't supposed to drive. She had issues with that legally, no? Maybe that's why she had gotten someone to drive when taking the baby?

Also - this is the weirdest thought - JUST A THOUGHT, so don't flame me, please : What if MF had not actually put Heidi in the trunk or even known she was there, if someone else had done that, and MF didn't use her car at all? What if MF had done the kidnapping part, not also wanting to kill her friend? Hard to figure out a disturbed mind, but maybe there was someone else out there who had done the worst part?

Not trying to protect her horrible actions at all - just trying to come up with all possibilities!

 

[Trudie]

I think there’s many reasons women steal children but MF’s faux pregnancy & abduction appears to coincide with her romantic relationship ending. Moo


Who would steal a baby, and why? - CNN.com

from the link:


Once a woman lies to her boyfriend or husband about her pregnancy, she has to produce a child within that time frame.

"She's not able to tell him that she miscarried. He's going to leave her. She's under a time pressure," he said.

 

[Alathea]

Do you mean CG?

Sorry, I wasn't clear, so I edited my post - I meant Heidi's car, not MF's.

 

[Trudie]

Who would steal a baby, and why? - CNN.com

Why would someone steal another person's child?

In these types of cases when a woman snatches a baby, the typical perpetrator is not motivated by maternal envy or a burning desire for motherhood. It's usually her desire to hang on to a boyfriend or husband in a deteriorating relationship, experts said. To do that, she feels she must produce a baby.

"It sounds bizarre," said Cathy Nahirny, a senior analyst on infant abduction cases at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. "It's to hold on to the male partner."

(same link from post 270)

 

[Warwick7]

^^sbm

After reading some of the info here on maternal desire psychology and MF's bizarre reaction to others holding the baby after the birth, and her storming out -- I think this is a bit more complicated than MF hatching a plan for 18 years of financial security i.e. food and shelter for two. It seems that MF manifested in her mind that she was the woman in the room giving birth to baby Margo. She was fixated on collecting "her baby" and nothing else mattered -- not even the decomposing corpse in the trunk of her car. She had what she wanted which was the baby.

Seriously, MF had HB inside the trunk of her car for a week, parked in her driveway! Like she wasn't going to get caught and the baby taken away? I think that's really messed up..... and complicated.

Seattle, what a well thought out post...

 

[missy1974]

I can't find the image of the dashboard from Heidi's parked/abandoned car in the apartment parking lot - but I saw it long ago, in a previous thread.

Wasn't there a pack of cigarettes on the passenger's side of Heidi's vehicle's dash?

Was Heidi a smoker? We know MF was/is.

Why would the cigs be on the passenger's side? Did MF sit in the car for a while at first, while chatting with Heidi? Maybe while something took effect (drugged coffee)? Or maybe SC smokes, and the cigs were just left there from a different day?

Just wondering.

ETA: Heidi's parked car (for clarity, instead of "her")

IIRC there was an article from a neighbour of Heidi's, he said they would have smokes together, so she was a smoker. I read that Shane was too, again a comment from a neighbour that he was outside pacing and smoking after they disappeared.

This one mentions Shane smoking, can't find the one about Heidi (will keep looking, but in that first week a lot of articles were updated and original content was lost, which sucks)
Body of missing Texas mom Heidi Broussard is found in trunk of car and her baby is found ALIVE | Daily Mail Online

 

[missy1974]

Who would steal a baby, and why? - CNN.com

Why would someone steal another person's child?

In these types of cases when a woman snatches a baby, the typical perpetrator is not motivated by maternal envy or a burning desire for motherhood. It's usually her desire to hang on to a boyfriend or husband in a deteriorating relationship, experts said. To do that, she feels she must produce a baby.

"It sounds bizarre," said Cathy Nahirny, a senior analyst on infant abduction cases at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. "It's to hold on to the male partner."

(same link from post 270)

From what I have read, maternal desire can kick in after a failed relationship or loss of child/pregnancy.

But what I fail to see is that MF used this pregnancy to keep CG. She used it to stay living there from what we know though, and I'm sure he was paying for other expenses because we can't seem to find that she was employed anywhere since getting fired/charged at her last job. She also seemed to recognize that the baby wasn't going to keep her relationship with CG, and even told Caressa that she expected a custody battle in the next few months.

IMO from what we know, she was using the pregnancy and the baby to keep a roof over her head, but it doesn't seem like she was using it to keep CG.

We have so much more to learn about this case.

 

[Trudie]

She used it to stay living there from what we know though, and I'm sure he was paying for other expenses because we can't seem to find that she was employed anywhere since getting fired/charged at her last job. She also seemed to recognize that the baby wasn't going to keep her relationship with CG, and even told Caressa that she expected a custody battle in the next few months.

I think she didn’t want her relationship with CG to end. But def’ she wanted to remain in his house, imo.
That would be a deterrent to him bringing a new woman in, imo. I do know sometimes a couple splits & for many reasons they continue sharing a home. It is MOO CG desperately wanted her gone. As far as Caressa’s comment I think she was repeating a lot of stuff the coy MF wanted her to blab. MF might have assumed CG would want custody & she could continue living there. Idk. Speculating.
Idk why MF thought they’d be in a custody battle since it seems he wasn’t excited for a baby.
I think her custody battle was with Texas & SC & she lost.

 

[Seattle1]

From what I have read, maternal desire can kick in after a failed relationship or loss of child/pregnancy.

But what I fail to see is that MF used this pregnancy to keep CG. She used it to stay living there from what we know though, and I'm sure he was paying for other expenses because we can't seem to find that she was employed anywhere since getting fired/charged at her last job. She also seemed to recognize that the baby wasn't going to keep her relationship with CG, and even told Caressa that she expected a custody battle in the next few months.

IMO from what we know, she was using the pregnancy and the baby to keep a roof over her head, but it doesn't seem like she was using it to keep CG.

We have so much more to learn about this case.

I agree @missy1974 -- so much more to learn about here. For me, it's fast becoming more like the chicken and the egg. At first glance, MF's relationship going south and a fake pregnancy seem to be the typical CNN explanation.

But now, putting all the pieces together -- everything about MF frightens me.
She was talking to mutual friends, investigators, and Tim M while her best friend HB -- probably the only person that ever loved her unconditionally, was decaying in the trunk of her vehicle. MF seemed to be under no urgency about that a week later.

I think the CNN profile of baby snatcher desperate to keep a relationship is usually one where the mate also wants a child, and not where the female murders her friend and keeps the body inside her car-- certain to guarantee she'll be caught and prosecuted. When finally approached by investigators -- MF insisted baby Margo was her infant. From the Affidavit for MF AW, we also know that investigators were researching what they were working with for the safety of the kidnapped infant and probably anybody around MF.

There's some scary stuff going on in MF's head. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Also - this is the weirdest thought - JUST A THOUGHT, so don't flame me, please : What if MF had not actually put Heidi in the trunk or even known she was there, if someone else had done that, and MF didn't use her car at all? What if MF had done the kidnapping part, not also wanting to kill her friend? Hard to figure out a disturbed mind, but maybe there was someone else out there who had done the worst part?

^^sbm

I think it could be more that she didn't remember strangling the life out of HB and placing her inside and trunk. She could be capable of blocking it from her mind. The same denial she grasped early on to tell investigators that she gave birth to baby Margo and the baby was hers.

There just seems to be some very sick illusions in her mind right now. I keep thinking of SC's shock and dismay when telling reporters -- they (HB/MF) were very good friends -- HB loved MF to the point he doesn't believe that MF acted alone! MF didn't act alone if she's got a second, twisted mindset so overpowering that she can compartmentalize. MOO

 

[Alathea]

IIRC there was an article from a neighbour of Heidi's, he said they would have smokes together, so she was a smoker. I read that Shane was too, again a comment from a neighbour that he was outside pacing and smoking after they disappeared.

This one mentions Shane smoking, can't find the one about Heidi (will keep looking, but in that first week a lot of articles were updated and original content was lost, which sucks)
Body of missing Texas mom Heidi Broussard is found in trunk of car and her baby is found ALIVE | Daily Mail Online

That's right, I do recall both of these, thanks for finding them.
So... why on the passenger's side? Not likely Heidi's cigs left there. No smoker would leave their cigs there for a long time - they get stale. And, they're expensive.

Who was with her who left the cigs, and why didn't LE test them, to find out whose they were?

This concerns me.

 

[Alathea]

^^sbm

I think it could be more that she didn't remember strangling the life out of HB and placing her inside and trunk. She could be capable of blocking it from her mind. The same denial she grasped early on to tell investigators that she gave birth to baby Margo and the baby was hers.

There just seems to be some very sick illusions in her mind right now. I keep thinking of SC's shock and dismay when telling reporters -- they (HB/MF) were very good friends -- HB loved MF to the point he doesn't believe that MF acted alone! MF didn't act alone if she's got a second, twisted mindset so overpowering that she can compartmentalize. MOO

Interesting thoughts, thanks!

But we do know for certain that MF didn't act alone. LE stated that MF got into the passenger's seat and the car took off immediately.

LE identified MF as the person in the front passenger's seat, but did not positively identify the person who got into the back seat with the baby - at least, they didn't make that info public.

Someone else drove that car from the apartment complex with the baby in it - knowingly, or not (IOW, in on the crime, or just along for the ride - literally), and either Heidi went into that back seat (no one positively identified her as doing so) or another woman went into the back seat - we don't yet know.