TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

jesse · Jul 13, 2025

CrimeDawg123 said:
This is perfect. It sums up river peoples' attitudes perfectly. It's in their blood. You either get it, or you don't.

That's all well and good, but who's covering the cost of rebuilding?

Decades ago, Bush proposed that the NFIP should pay ONCE - and if the owners chose to rebuild there, NFIP wouldn't insure you and you'd be on your own. The real estate lobby successfully fought and won.

I believe the current standard is that is the structure is more than 49% destroyed, it has to be rebuilt at a higher elevation (I don't know if you don't get the $$ at all, or you don't get reinsured).

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

Lilibet · Jul 14, 2025

iamshadow21 said:
I'm incredibly tired right now.

Thank you for your hard and heartbreaking work @iamshadow21. Please get some rest and take care of yourself.

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

For Search-and-Rescue Volunteers in Central Texas, There’s No Instruction Manual

In the most dangerous parts of Kerr County’s flood zone, searchers improvise and risk their own safety to look for victims, no matter the outcome.

www.texasmonthly.com

We've gotten mixed messages about how to help. "Send water and non-perishable items". Okie-dokie, followed by: "We've got too much and don't have a place to store it"...(I sent cash myself)

Then there are the rescue/recovery groups. There are numerous small groups and sometimes they are at odds with each other. Someone who works for the state (a retired veteran) who is organizing some divers got hands laid on her by law enforcement. It was not good and she was made to feel not good. Eventually the divers were allowed access. But.....

'There will be people that will never be recovered' | Deputy discusses exhaustive search efforts and reality that some may never find closure

"You’ll never find them. I’ve already talked to ranchers about what to look for in their areas that were flooded... long term," he said.

www.kens5.com

Lilibet · Jul 14, 2025

This WaPo exclusive has very informative graphics. It seems to me that a lack of imagination delayed action at Mystic. I’m the pessimistic type who expects the worst case scenario and acts accordingly. But an event of this magnitude might not have entered my mind. It was chaotic.

https://wapo.st/44N1cNI

There were some very heroic young counselors.

https://wapo.st/4luxuUR

CrimeDawg123 · Jul 14, 2025

Lake Travis level if you're interested. Closer than it's been in a long time!

Is the Lake Full Yet?

Are you wondering about the current status of Lake Travis? This central Texas reservoir on the Colorado River is considered 'full' or 'at maximum desired capacity' when the lake's water level is at 681 feet (208 m) above mean sea level (msl).

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Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

More rain. Flash food warning in Kerr County and adjacent counties. The heaviest rain is in NW Bandera, Real, and Uvalde Counties. It does appear that storms are moving north at this time.

The rain in Kerr County will obviously put a damper on recovery operations along the Guadalupe today.

Many roads are closed along with Frio River area, but fortunately, everyone has been moved to higher ground. It's a resort area kinda like Hunt. Looking at the map, I think the rec areas near the Frio are easier to get to higher ground than the North Fork and South Fork of the Guadalupe.
Areas affected: Garner State Park, Lost Maples State Park and private cabins/campgrounds in the area.

Flash Flood Warning
TXC019-265-385-463-141830-
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/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Flash Flood Warning
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
1017 AM CDT Mon Jul 14 2025

The National Weather Service in Austin/San Antonio has extended the

* Flash Flood Warning for...
Northwestern Bandera County in south central Texas...
West Central Kerr County in south central Texas...
Eastern Real County in south central Texas...
North Central Uvalde County in south central Texas...

* Until 130 PM CDT.

* At 1017 AM CDT, Doppler radar and automated rain gauges indicated
thunderstorms producing heavy rain across the warned area. Between
4 and 7 inches of rain have fallen. Additional rainfall amounts of
1 to 2 inches are possible in the warned area. Flash flooding is
already occurring.

HAZARD...Life threatening flash flooding. Thunderstorms
producing flash flooding.

SOURCE...Radar and automated gauges.

IMPACT...Life threatening flash flooding of creeks and streams,
urban areas, highways, streets and underpasses.

* Some locations that will experience flash flooding include...
Leakey, Tuff, Lost Maples State Natural Area, Rio Frio, Garner
State Park and Concan.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Turn around, don`t drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood
deaths occur in vehicles.

Move to higher ground now. Act quickly to protect your life.

Be aware of your surroundings and do not drive on flooded roads.

Flooding is occurring or is imminent. It is important to know where
you are relative to streams, rivers, or creeks which can become
killers in heavy rains. Campers and hikers should avoid streams or
creeks.

&&

LAT...LON 3007 9976 3010 9976 3010 9954 2941 9963
2941 9978 3007 9978

FLASH FLOOD...RADAR AND GAUGE INDICATED
FLASH FLOOD DAMAGE THREAT...CONSIDERABLE

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Frio River flooding overnight

The Frio River is forecast to reach major flood stage later this morning near Concan.

www.ksat.com

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CrimeDawg123 · Jul 14, 2025

Summary of area flooding

Time / Date	River / Location	Peak Height / Surge	Notes
~4:00 AM, July 4	Guadalupe River (Hunt, Kerr Co.)	37.5 ft – record crest; ~26 ft rise in <1 hr	Flash-flood emergency; catastrophic impacts.
~5:00 AM, July 4	Guadalupe River (Kerrville)	~34.3 ft	Third-highest on record .
Early July 4	Llano River (Junction)	Rapid cresting (meters in minutes)	Fueled by North/South Llano confluence.
Mid-morning, July 4	Johnson Creek (Kerr Co.)	Sudden overflow	Major Guadalupe tributary.
July 4 afternoon	San Gabriel River (Williamson Co.)	~21–24 ft	Moderate floods; local road closures (Georgetown/Jonah areas).
Late July 4	Colorado River (Lake Travis)	+10–20 ft rise	Prompted lake closures.
Overnight July 11‑12	Lampasas River	~33 ft peak	Water rescues and evacuations in multiple counties.
July 12 (night)	San Saba River	>31 ft	Flash floods, road closures.
Morning, July 14	Frio River (Concan to Uvalde)	Cresting at 16 ft @Concan (~11 AM); 19 ft @Knippa (~5 PM)	Major flood stage crossed; evacuations and closures issued.
July 14 (ongoing)	Guadalupe River (Hunt)	Moderate flood stage (~14.6 ft)	New warnings; residents told to seek higher ground.
July 14 (ongoing)	Lampasas River	Recents surge + retractions; ongoing response	Rescues still active.
July 14 (ongoing)	San Saba River	Re-flooding, evacuation zone implemented	Mandatory evacuations for those south of river.
As of July 14	Llano, Colorado, Blanco Rivers	Under flood watch	Continuing elevated levels; flash flood alerts remain.
As of July 14	Nueces River (Canyon)	Localized flooding; road closures	Newest addition to the flood list.

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

CrimeDawg123 said:
Summary of area flooding

Time / Date River / Location Peak Height / Surge Notes
~4:00 AM, July 4 Guadalupe River (Hunt, Kerr Co.) 37.5 ft – record crest; ~26 ft rise in <1 hr Flash-flood emergency; catastrophic impacts.
~5:00 AM, July 4 Guadalupe River (Kerrville) ~34.3 ft Third-highest on record .
Early July 4 Llano River (Junction) Rapid cresting (meters in minutes) Fueled by North/South Llano confluence.
Mid-morning, July 4 Johnson Creek (Kerr Co.) Sudden overflow Major Guadalupe tributary.
July 4 afternoon San Gabriel River (Williamson Co.) ~21–24 ft Moderate floods; local road closures (Georgetown/Jonah areas).
Late July 4 Colorado River (Lake Travis) +10–20 ft rise Prompted lake closures.
Overnight July 11‑12 Lampasas River ~33 ft peak Water rescues and evacuations in multiple counties.
July 12 (night) San Saba River >31 ft Flash floods, road closures.
Morning, July 14 Frio River (Concan to Uvalde) Cresting at 16 ft @Concan (~11 AM); 19 ft @Knippa (~5 PM) Major flood stage crossed; evacuations and closures issued.
July 14 (ongoing) Guadalupe River (Hunt) Moderate flood stage (~14.6 ft) New warnings; residents told to seek higher ground.
July 14 (ongoing) Lampasas River Recents surge + retractions; ongoing response Rescues still active.
July 14 (ongoing) San Saba River Re-flooding, evacuation zone implemented Mandatory evacuations for those south of river.
As of July 14 Llano, Colorado, Blanco Rivers Under flood watch Continuing elevated levels; flash flood alerts remain.
As of July 14 Nueces River (Canyon) Localized flooding; road closures Newest addition to the flood list.

Thanks! Don't know where you got the chart, but it's very helpful!

It looks like heavier rain has moved out of the Hunt area and is now near Center Point/Comfort moving toward Gillespie County. (I know...weird direction)

It is still raining in the Hunt area.

Rain appears to be easing on the Frio River.

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

Marie A said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1943032214767206668

People downstream from Canyon Lake are not worried about any flooding as Canyon Lake is taking the full brunt of the water- it has been at a low level and can take a lot.

Word from certain locals to that area is that they believe that the missing bodies (or many of them) are in Canyon Lake.
That’s not in the press just word from a friend with relatives on acreage not far from Canyon Lake.
There is a boil water order in effect in the Canyon Lake area
From Kerrville to Canyon Lake is 69 miles and takes 90 minutes to drive.

All imho

I know this post is from last week, but this is my fear.

If they aren't going to be diving in Canyon Lake, how will they find them?

This is my fear......

There are so many rescue teams in Kerr County, but if many have swept into Canyon Lake, how will they find them?

Also Kerr County doesn't appear to have a list of visitors who are missing. It doesn't seem that hard to obtain lists of visitors who are missing.

Officials: Flood victims search may last 6 months

borndem · Jul 14, 2025

BayouBelle_LA said:
Margaret Sheedy 8

Margaret Sheedy Obituary - Houston, TX

Celebrate the life of Margaret Sheedy, leave a kind word or memory and get funeral service information care of Geo. H. Lewis & Sons Funeral Directors.

www.dignitymemorial.com

Here’s her obituary. I can’t find another source.

What a beautiful little girl. She is lighting up Heaven already, I'm sure.
It takes my breath away -- for the deep sadness of it, and for her continuing beauty and sweetness.
Prayers for her family and friends.

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

BayouBelle_LA · Jul 14, 2025

MISSING

Virginia Hollis (Camp Mystic)
Cile Steward (Camp Mystic)
Ellen Getten (Camp Mystic)
Margaret Sheedy (Camp Mystic)
Jeff Ramsey
Jack Burgess, 5
James Burgess, 18 mos
Ron Duke
Holland Zunker, 3
Lyle Zunker, 7
Ileana Santana
Mila Rose Santana, 5
Tianna 'Ty' Mabey
Bill Huston
Alyson Hardin
Josephine Hardin
Carlos Romero, 22 mos
Mark Walker
Sara Walker
Johnny Walker, 14
Al Lorio
Harley Moeller, 6
Gary Traugott
Pam Smith
Mike Smith
Brian Carpenter
Blake Carpenter, child
Michael Phillips

Friday Fan · Jul 14, 2025

iamshadow21 said:
Here's this morning's version of the list. I may be less proactive in working on it the next couple of days, real life stuff, nothing for anyone here to worry about but very stressful for me, so I'm going to be prioritising myself and self care for a little while. Please still DM me or @ me in the thread with new names and sources for them and I will add them. I just won't be focusing my energies on research the way I have for a little while. I'll play catch up later in the week once this stressor is handled.

Current Known Victim List

A
Carol Andrews, adult, (camping in an RV)

B
Joyce-Catherine Badon, 21, (riverside cabin)
Mary Grace Baker, 8, Camp Mystic
Linda Bason, 78, (riverside cabin)
Anna Margaret Bellows, 8, Camp Mystic
Lila Bonner, 9, Camp Mystic
Joni Brake, 66, (camping in an RV)
Robert Brake Sr., 67, (camping in an RV)
Lee Brizendine, 83, Burnet
Beth Bryan, 61, (riverside cabin)
Hutch Bryan, 62, (riverside cabin)
John Burgess, 39, (camping in an RV)
Julia Anderson Burgess, 38, (camping in an RV)
Tanya Burwick, 62, San Angelo (car)

C
Ella Cahill, 21, (riverside cabin)
Chloe Childress, 18, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Cody Crossland, 40s, Ingram (car)
Michelle 'Shellie' Crossland, 50, Ingram (car)

D
Dan Dailey, 67, (car and trailer)
Virginia Dailey, 66, (car and trailer)
Molly DeWitt, 9, Camp Mystic
Lucy Dillon, 8, Camp Mystic
Josephine 'Phina' Dunlap, adult, Andrews
Richard Dunlap, adult, Andrews

E
Katheryn Eads, 52, (camping in an RV)
Steve Edwards, 72, (in an RV)
Richard 'Dick' Eastland, 74, Camp Mystic (camp director)

F
Bruce Ferguson, 83, (in an RV)
Penny Ferguson, adult, (in an RV)
Katherine Ferruzzo, 19, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Jayda Floyd, 23, (camping)
Holly Frizzell, 72, Hunt/Casa Bonita

G
Sally Sample Graves, 91, Kerrville

H
Malaya Hammond, 17, Burnet County (car)
Hadley Hanna, 8, Camp Mystic
Blair Harber, 13, (family riverside cabin)
Brooke Harber, 11, (family riverside cabin)
Charlene Harber, 74, (family riverside cabin)
Mike Harber, 76, (family riverside cabin)
Aidan Heartfield, 22, (riverside cabin)
Deana Hillock, 58, (riverside cabin)
Charlotte Huff, 55, Kerrville
Janie Hunt, 9, Camp Mystic

I

J
Mary Kathryn Jacobe, 8, Camp Mystic
Braxton Jarmon, 15, Leander
Emlyn Jeffrey, 70, (family riverside cabin)
Madelyn 'Emmy' Jeffrey, 11, (family riverside cabin)
Penny Cooper Jeffrey, 70, (family riverside cabin)

K
Melissa Kamin, 45, (camper)
Rob Kamin, 50, (camper)
DeeAnn Knetsch, 66?, (camping in an RV)
Gary Knetsch, 60?, (camping in an RV)

L
Lainey Landry, 9, Camp Mystic
Hanna Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Rebecca Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Kellyanne Lytal, 8, Camp Mystic

M
Reese Manchaca, 21, Hunt
Sarah Marsh, 8, Camp Mystic
Alissa Martin, 54, Leander
Amanda Martin, 44, (camping in an RV)
OPD Officer Bailey Martin, 23, (camping)
Bobby Martin, 46, (camping in an RV)
Linnie McCown, 8, Camp Mystic
Blakely McCrory, 8, Camp Mystic
Clayton Meadows, adult, Kerr County
Jake Moeller, 38, (camping in an RV)
Megan Moeller, 33, (camping in an RV)

N
Wynne Naylor, 8, Camp Mystic

O
José Olvera, 70, Kerr County/Hunt

P
Richard Pagard, 71, (camping in an RV)
August Panning, 50, Travis County
Clay Parisher, 20mo, (family riverside cabin)
Eloise Peck, 8, Camp Mystic
Brad Perry, 49, (camping in an RV)
Abby Pohl, 8, Camp Mystic
Preston Prince, 22, (car)

R
Jane Ragsdale, 68, Heart O' The Hills (camp director)
Leonardo Romero Sr., 43, (car)
Joel Ramos, adult, Ingram (car)
Kyndall Ramos, 17, (car)
Tasha Ramos, adult, (car)
Tanya Ramsey, 46, (camper)
Walter Reed, 79, (in an RV)
Sherry Richardson, 64, (riverside cabin)
Cindy Nelson Rushing, 53, (camper)
James Rushing, 64, (camper)
Julian Ryan, 27, Ingram (arterial laceration while saving his family)

S
Camille Santana, 38, (riverside cabin)
Eddie Santana-Negron Sr., 69, (riverside cabin)
Mollie Schaffer, 76, Hunt
Alvaro Sigala, 69, Kerrville (car)
Shon Scott, 53, Andrews
Renee Smajstrla, 8, Camp Mystic
Mary Stevens, 8, Camp Mystic
Kaitlyn Swallow, 22, Williamson

T
Greta Toranzo, 10, Camp Mystic
Alicia Torres (Olvera), 68, Kerr County/Hunt
Charlotte Trotter, 4, Ruidoso New Mexico
Sebastian Trotter, 7, Ruidoso New Mexico

U

V
William Venus, 57, (car)
Natalia Venzor, 24, (car)

W
Tim Walker, 63, (family riverside cabin)
Kent Wattinger, 36, (car)
Betty West, 84, Travis County
Doug West, 54, Travis County
Amber Wilson, adult, (truck with camper)
Jeff Wilson, 55, Kerrville (truck with camper)
Shiloh Wilson, 12, Kerrville (truck with camper)

X

Y

Z
Paula Zunker, 35, (riverside cabin)
Reece Zunker, 36, (riverside cabin)

Due to weather, probably limited services are operating in Kerrville today (Although, they had a city council meeting this AM)

I don't think they will be releasing names today. Also search and rescue has been put on hold since Saturday. Hopefully SAR will resume tomorrow.

I haven't stumbled on any new names from the Guadalupe flooding since Saturday. If I see any, I will let you know.

Dotta · Jul 14, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944832719608848575

"Their hopeful faces are sure to break the hearts of animal lovers everywhere,
as these dogs and cats have yet to learn if their owners survived the floods."

BayouBelle_LA · Jul 14, 2025

Ellen Elizabeth Getten, 9

Obituary information for Ellen Elizabeth Getten

View Ellen Elizabeth Getten's obituary, contribute to their memorial, see their funeral service details, and more.

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@iamshadow21

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

Friday Fan said:
Due to weather, probably limited services are operating in Kerrville today (Although, they had a city council meeting this AM)

I don't think they will be releasing names today. Also search and rescue has been put on hold since Saturday. Hopefully SAR will resume tomorrow.

I haven't stumbled on any new names from the Guadalupe flooding since Saturday. If I see any, I will let you know.

Thank you, I appreciate it. <3

Corina · Jul 14, 2025

I read in the Guardian that a National Weather Service (NWS) alert was sent to Camp Leader Richard “Dick” Eastland's phone at 1.14am warning of “life threatening flash flooding”, and only at 2.30am, with heavy rain still falling and the river level rising fast, did he make the decision to begin evacuations.
Also, no mobile phones permitted for campers and counsellors were required to surrender theirs so they had no way of knowing there were emergency alerts issued.

More in link: Guardian: Texas camp leader waited over an hour after flood warning to evacuate

iamshadow21 · Jul 14, 2025

BayouBelle_LA said:
Ellen Elizabeth Getten, 9

Obituary information for Ellen Elizabeth Getten

View Ellen Elizabeth Getten's obituary, contribute to their memorial, see their funeral service details, and more.

www.bradshawcarter.com

@iamshadow21

I'm guessing they actually have recovered her, since they're talking about a graveside service, not just a memorial. I'll add her, and she'll be in the next list post. Thank you. <3

jesse · Jul 14, 2025

Corina said:
I read in the Guardian that a National Weather Service (NWS) alert was sent to Camp Leader Richard “Dick” Eastland's phone at 1.14am warning of “life threatening flash flooding”, and only at 2.30am, with heavy rain still falling and the river level rising fast, did he make the decision to begin evacuations.
Also, no mobile phones permitted for campers and counsellors were required to surrender theirs so they had no way of knowing there were emergency alerts issued.

More in link: Guardian: Texas camp leader waited over an hour after flood warning to evacuate

This is confusing to me, because it seems like starting evacuations at 2:30 would still have been enough time? Evacuate the low-lying camps (the younger girls), tell them to to run up the hill. What am I missing?

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