TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

  • #561
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I'm just throwing this out there. There are people, (and I am one of them) who relish not having cell or internet and being able to be without electronics for a time. Unfortunately, we are now so used to cell service/internet, it is forgotten that the whole world doesn't own a smart phone and a warning system that doesn't rely on it is not always kept at the ready. I saw that there were some people on physical watch duty which likely saved many people. If the gauges were broken as some stories state, then no cell alert would have gone out from that. If the power was out, internet and cell would not have worked anyway unless the alerts went out before the power went out. I, personally, have been in two fires where it was the physical door knock as the only means of warning, and it wasn't because there was no warning system on a cell phone. My D didn't get the warning until we'd left the area and had cell service again. Little late for that.

My point is that even if they'd had cell/internet, you can't rely on that. It becomes a false sense of security. One assumes everyone was notified, but they were not. Jmo based on my own experience.
Having access to modern communications is if benefit to many aspects of emergency planning. Its quick access for many professionals, emergency personnel, etc to communicate with each other as well as the public.
 
  • #562
Ah, thank you. I had Clayton and Alicia added ready to go this morning, but not the others.

Give me a little time to check all the live feeds for others, and then I'll post the updated list.

MOO
Thank you for all you do on the comprehensive list.
 
  • #563
"Nearly a week after floodwaters swept away more than a hundred lives, Texas officials are facing heated questions over how much was – or was not – done in the early morning hours of Friday as a wall of water raced down the Guadalupe River.

Several officials in the past few days have deflected or become defensive when asked clarifying questions about the county’s actions before and during the disaster."

 
  • #564
Not a big update tonight. I've taken a partial rest day after yesterday. I've also reached my max views for the New York Times and Washington Post, so those are off limits to me for the foreseeable, which limits my sources.

I did check on certain names and family groups, and the one new name I found was Kyndall. Tasha is now the only Ramos family member missing at this time.

I suspect given the interval, visual identification isn't a possibility anymore, and all identifications from now on will have to rely on DNA or dentals. This may slow down identification, and death notices.

Current Known Victim List

A

B
Joyce-Catherine Badon, 21, (riverside cabin)
Mary Grace Baker, 8, Camp Mystic
Anna Margaret Bellows, 8, Camp Mystic
Lila Bonner, 9, Camp Mystic
Lee Brizendine, 83, Burnet
Beth Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
Hutch Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
John Burgess, 39, (camping in an RV)
Julia Anderson Burgess, 38, (camping in an RV)
Tanya Burwick, 62, San Angelo (car)

C
Ella Cahill, 21, (riverside cabin)
Chloe Childress, 18, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Cody Crossland, 40s, Ingram (car)
Michelle 'Shellie' Crossland, 50, Ingram (car)

D
Molly DeWitt, 9, Camp Mystic
Josephine 'Phina' Dunlap, adult, Andrews

E
Katheryn Eads, 52, (camping in an RV)
Richard 'Dick' Eastland, 74, Camp Mystic (camp director)

F
Bruce Ferguson, 83, (in an RV)
Holly Frizzell, 72, Hunt/Casa Bonita


G
Sally Sample Graves, 91, Kerrville

H
Malaya Hammond, 17, Burnet County (car)
Hadley Hanna, 8, Camp Mystic
Blair Harber, 13, (family riverside cabin)
Brooke Harber, 11, (family riverside cabin)
Janie Hunt, 9, Camp Mystic

I

J
Mary Kathryn Jacobe, 8, Camp Mystic
Braxton Jarmon, 15, Leander
Emlyn Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)
Penny Cooper Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)

K
Melissa Kamin, 45, (camper)
Rob Kamin, 50, (camper)
DeeAnn Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)
Gary Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)


L
Lainey Landry, 9, Camp Mystic
Hanna Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Rebecca Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic

M
Reese Manchaca, 21, Hunt
Sarah Marsh, 8, Camp Mystic
Alissa Martin, adult, Leander
Amanda Martin, 44, (camping in an RV)
OPD Officer Bailey Martin, 23, (camping)
Bobby Martin, 46, (camping in an RV)
Linnie McCown, 8, Camp Mystic
Blakely McCrory, 8, Camp Mystic
Clayton Meadows, adult,(riverside cabin)
Harley Moeller, 5/6, (camping in an RV
Jake Moeller, 38, (camping in an RV)
Megan Moeller, 33, (camping in an RV)

N
Wynne Naylor, 8, Camp Mystic

O
José Olvera, 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

P
Clay Parisher, 20mo, (family riverside cabin)
Eloise Peck, 8, Camp Mystic
Brad Perry, 49, (camping in an RV)
Preston Prince, 22, (car)

R
Jane Ragsdale, 68, Heart O' The Hills (camp director)
Joel Ramos, adult, Ingram (car)
Kyndall Ramos, teen, (car)
Tanya Ramsey, 46, (camper)
Sherry Richardson, 64, (riverside cabin)
Cindy Nelson Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
James Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
Julian Ryan, 27, Ingram (arterial laceration while saving his family)

S
Camille Santana, adult, (riverside cabin)
Mollie Schaffer, adult, Hunt
Shon Scott, adult, Andrews
Renee Smajstrla, 8, Camp Mystic
Mary Stevens, 8, Camp Mystic
Kaitlyn Swallow, 22, Williamson

T
Greta Toranzo, 10, Camp Mystic
Alicia Torres (Olvera), 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

U

V
William Venus, 57, (car)

W
Tim Walker, 63, (family riverside cabin)
Betty West, 84, Travis County
Amber Wilson, adult, (truck with camper)
Jeff Wilson, 55, Kerrville (truck with camper)

X

Y

Z
Paula Zunker, 35/36, (riverside cabin)
Reece Zunker, 36, (riverside cabin)
 
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  • #565
News from the boys Camp La Junta; swimming Counselors to the rescue:

He was staying in a summer camp in Central Texas called Camp La Junta, which he's attended for more than four years. The all-boys summer program focuses on outdoor activities, but this year, his experience was cut short due to the floods.

Kaelan described what started as heavy rain and thunder, which kept he and most of the boys awake in their cabin early Friday morning.

At some point in the night, camp counselors rushed into his cabin to get them to higher ground when the campground started to flood around 4 a.m., Kaelan said. That’s when he realized the seriousness of the situation.


“We looked outside, and we just saw like an ocean out there. It's just like completely destroying everything so you went on to the back lane, which is like just more elevation after that, and we sat there like safely for about two hours,” Kaelan said.

Their camp is located on the banks of the Guadalupe River, which surged by nearly 30 feet in less than two hours, sweeping everything along its path.
He said at one point, counselors swam back to save younger campers in more flooded cabins.

“Honestly, we saw a whole cabin just floating down enough to where we knew things were getting actually real out there. We were starting to realize this was a real natural disaster crisis,” Kaelan said.

'Saw an ocean out there': San Diego boy rescued from Texas floods


From the doorway, Beau could see floodwaters beginning to engulf cabins closer to the Guadalupe River, where the younger boys slept. With a group of other campers, he reached a high point on a nearby hillside and watched as counselors rushed into the raging floodwaters.

The t o r r e n t of water blew out the walls of at least one cabin and forced counselors to move children into the rafters above their bunk beds. When the water slowed, counselors formed a line and pulled some of the boys to safety. Several counselors slung children over their shoulders and swam them to higher ground.

Within a few hours, each of the nearly 400 children and counselors at the all-boys camp were determined safe and accounted for. Acting on their own, staff had taken decisive action, rushing the children into cabins up the hill from the racing river, which had risen over 20 feet in less than an hour. Parents who spoke with USA TODAY credit them for saving their children's lives.

"If it hadn't of been for them, it would have been a very different scenario with our boys," said Beau's mother, Georgie Brown. "They didn't have anyone telling them what to do, they just did it and saved a lot of our boys."


Clinging to rafters: How staff at all-boys camp in Texas saved hundreds from floodwaters


Such astute, brave young men.


all imo
 
  • #566
A rare positive story to provide some hope this morning...this family seeking higher ground lost their family dog in the shuffle, but when the waters receded and they returned, they found their pup safe and sound inside the washing machine!

 
  • #567
@iamshadow21 this list from the local news has ages for some of the individuals you have listed here (and some you might be missing). It also has locations if that's something you guys are interested in compiling! I have some of my own info (from Facebook, public records, etc) on the individuals who don't have a recorded location here, as well. Thank you for working to keep this list updated, and thank you to everyone for your warm welcome
 
  • #568
@iamshadow21 this list from the local news has ages for some of the individuals you have listed here (and some you might be missing). It also has locations if that's something you guys are interested in compiling! I have some of my own info (from Facebook, public records, etc) on the individuals who don't have a recorded location here, as well. Thank you for working to keep this list updated, and thank you to everyone for your warm welcome

Looks like it's a list of the missing, a couple of days old. I'll keep it open because it's useful and I hadn't found it before, thank you. If anyone on that list is found (who hasn't already been found and added), and this list has their age, I'll be able to add it right away.

EDIT: Thank you, I was able to update the list with Tim Walker's age.
 
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  • #569
@iamshadow21 Linda Bason (78) and Deana Hillock (55) were camping together at HTR and are still missing (Link) Sorry, I know the list is a few days old, I thought the locations or ages might be helpful!
 
  • #570
@iamshadow21 Linda Bason (78) and Deana Hillock (55) were camping together at HTR and are still missing (Link) Sorry, I know the list is a few days old, I thought the locations or ages might be helpful!

Yes, they will be, when the people on there are found. The list here is only for the confirmed dead, not the missing. If and when Linda and Deana are found, I'll be able to list their ages, which is great. I appreciate it.
 
  • #571
Yes, they will be, when the people on there are found. The list here is only for the confirmed dead, not the missing. If and when Linda and Deana are found, I'll be able to list their ages, which is great. I appreciate it.
Oh I am so sorry! I misunderstood what you were recording. Thank you for the kind correction
 
  • #572

“Most important, the {weather] service had issued three increasingly dire warnings early that morning — at 1:14 a.m., 4:03 a.m. and 6:06 a.m.

What Kelly didn’t mention, but which has since become well known, is that the Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement amid cuts pushed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. He was not replaced."

Wow.
 
  • #573

“Most important, the {weather] service had issued three increasingly dire warnings early that morning — at 1:14 a.m., 4:03 a.m. and 6:06 a.m.

What Kelly didn’t mention, but which has since become well known, is that the Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement amid cuts pushed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. He was not replaced."

Wow.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how many alerts you send out if nobody is actually monitoring them coming in, seeing the bigger picture, and ensuring everyone in the system understands the scope of the event in progress.

MOO
 
  • #574
We’re the wealthiest country in the world. There’s no reason someone shouldn’t be able to provide internet and cell service in this area before. It’s not Siberia or the North Pole. It’s just common sense.

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There just aren't enough cell towers in rural areas.
We just drove back from Colorado. I think I had service about 50% of the time.


Even in the Colorado Springs area, it isn't 100% either. It was spotty.
 
  • #575
I have some location and age data for the confirmed deceased to help fill in your list; sorry for the thread spam, this will be my last post for awhile. Thank you again for collecting this list

-John + Julia Burgess; Blue Oaks RV Park (borders HTR, only known family lost)

-Katheryn Eads; HTR (family Facebook posts)

-Bruce Ferguson; HTR

-Blair + Brook Harber; Owned family cabin at Casa Bonita

-Emlyn + Penny Jeffrey; Casa Bonita

-Robert + Melissa Kamin; HTR

-DeeAnn + Gary Knetsch; HTR

-Bailey, Bobby, and Amanda Martin; HTR

-Clayton Meadows; 29, family home in Hunt

-Harley, Jake, and Megan Moeller; HTR

-Brad Perry; HTR

-Mollie Schaffer; Car washed away
fleeing River Inn

e; I forgot to add, the Wilson family was confirmed to have checked in at HTR according to a family member's comment on Facebook, but I have not seen this anywhere else
 
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  • #576
Yeah, it doesn't matter how many alerts you send out if nobody is actually monitoring them coming in, seeing the bigger picture, and ensuring everyone in the system understands the scope of the event in progress.

MOO
Exactly. There are failures on many levels. I've been involved in 2 natural disasters and have learned first hand that we've got to be aware and prepared to save ourselves. But to do that, we need to be able to depend on these resources to get us information so that we can do that.
 
  • #577
My mother's house is in between two rivers that flood nearly every year, we are blessed they have not been catastrophic thus far but people have lost their homes and vehicles in the past. They have solar powered alarms on the riverbanks that sound an alarm like a tornado siren when the river gets too high. It seems like something like this would have been helpful on the Guadalupe given the remoteness and lack of cell coverage.

If a specific area like Camp Mystic experiences a flash flood this big, is it more likely to happen again in the same area due to the changes in terrain? Obviously the loss of life is the biggest tragedy here, but I also feel bad for the business owners and families who have memories in the area who may not be able to return.
This is a huge vacation area. (I can't emphasize this enough!!)

It floods, but in the past lost of life has been minimal.

It's our little "slice of heaven" 60 miles from home. We've rented several AirBnB's and it's always been on the 4th of July. I figured out from media reports that one was ruined and the other one likely was. I don't know what our family we have done. We've got five grandkids and one of them is only 2 months old! Two of them are toddlers. One is 6, the other is nine, but has developmental delays.

One AirBnB is west of Hunt and the other was in Kerrville. At least in Kerrville, you can cross the street to get to high ground.

I don't know what we would have done in Hunt. You can't escape in a vehicle without crossing low water. Our gang of toddlers would have had to climb a steep cliff in the back of the property to escape high water. However, I can picture us gang of adults arguing about what to do until it was too late.

The house in Hunt is quite a distance from the river too,. The river was across the street from FM 1340 and you had to go down about a 10 foot gently sloped bank to access the water. Additionally, the house was setback about 100 yards from FM 1340. It's easy to assume that the river would not reach the house or cross the road. And the only way to determine that water was approaching the house was for someone to walk down the long driveway.

However, yesterday, when I looked at the FEMA maps, it was in the flood plain and there was not enough elevation rise from the river. If the river rose 10 feet, we would have been OK, but over 10, the house would have been flooded.

I can picture us in the black of the night, thinking that the river would not cross the road and that we were actually in "high ground" when we weren't. Of course, we would not have had cell service at the Hunt house, but we did have internet at the house. Of course, if the electricity went out, we would lose internet.

It would have taken sirens and someone from emergency management to properly alert us in Hunt. In the old days, they would go door to door. That's why only 10 people died in 1987 and they died when a bus went through a low water crossing. (Bus should not have done that and they were sued) Someone from a emergency management could have given us instructions in Hunt before it was too late.


I agree, this beautiful vacation area is going to lose business. It was our favorite spot. Our son worked at one of the camps when he was a teen.
 
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  • #578

“Most important, the {weather] service had issued three increasingly dire warnings early that morning — at 1:14 a.m., 4:03 a.m. and 6:06 a.m.

What Kelly didn’t mention, but which has since become well known, is that the Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement amid cuts pushed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. He was not replaced."

Wow.
Someone should have called someone around 1 am!
And they aren't talking about it!
 
  • #579

“Most important, the {weather] service had issued three increasingly dire warnings early that morning — at 1:14 a.m., 4:03 a.m. and 6:06 a.m.

What Kelly didn’t mention, but which has since become well known, is that the Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement amid cuts pushed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. He was not replaced."

Wow.
And these duties were not transferred to anyone else by that department?
 
  • #580

People downstream from Canyon Lake are not worried about any flooding as Canyon Lake is taking the full brunt of the water- it has been at a low level and can take a lot.

Word from certain locals to that area is that they believe that the missing bodies (or many of them) are in Canyon Lake.
That’s not in the press just word from a friend with relatives on acreage not far from Canyon Lake.
There is a boil water order in effect in the Canyon Lake area
From Kerrville to Canyon Lake is 69 miles and takes 90 minutes to drive.

All imho
 

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