TX TX-Hunt, Overnight flooding at Camp Mystic, all girls camp. Unknown number of missing. July 4, 2025

[Herat]

Meteorologist Brad Sowder

A newspaper article from 1932 (the original record flood)on the Guadalupe. Camp Mystic was only six years old and the flood hit hard. It doesn’t appear any campers were lost, but it also happened in...

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Meteorologist Brad Sowder​

A newspaper article from 1932 (the original record flood)on the Guadalupe. Camp Mystic was only six years old and the flood hit hard. It doesn’t appear any campers were lost, but it also happened in the middle of the day, as opposed to the middle of the night. The camp also had about 200-300 campers in the 1930s as opposed to the 750 now. Thanks to Meteorologist George Flickinger from WSET for sharing this with me.


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Not just one building, but 4 or 5 buildings were swept away in that flood of 1932

The article also mentions that had any of the children gone out the front door of the mess hall, they would have been swept away

So very plain historical data that 5 cabins and the mess hall were unsafe for these children during floods.

Now, 93 years later - what is the excuse for not correcting this?

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I was on FB last night and saw horrific pictures. The damage is hurricane Katrina devastating or something. I believe most were taken yesterday, now that the river has receded, the sun is out and some clean up has begun. Thousands of beautiful bald cypress are down and the area closest to the headwaters reminded me of Mt St Helen's. And in usual FB fashion the post disappeared from my view and I can't find it again.


This has got to be the worst disaster since white people settled the area in the later part of the 1800's. Yes, there have been floods, but not like this.

Oh my god so sad Some of those trees are hundreds of years old, I think some even 600-700!

I was wondering where this ranks in our history and I think you're probably right it's by far the worst. I know there were massive floods in the early 1900s which prompted the dams in Austin, and of course, San Antonio too where building the riverwalk was prompted by the flooding.

 

[iamshadow21]

Hi, folks, needed a day off, and with most of the MSM dropping their live coverage, finding sources for names is much harder. One notable name added. They found Shiloh Wilson. So that's the whole Wilson family found, now. I couldn't find anything new about Felicity Jarmon, Tasha Ramos, the Burgess boys, the Walker family or the Santana family. I'll check again, and check for other known missing names tomorrow.


Current Known Victim List

A

B
Joyce-Catherine Badon, 21, (riverside cabin)
Mary Grace Baker, 8, Camp Mystic
Anna Margaret Bellows, 8, Camp Mystic
Lila Bonner, 9, Camp Mystic
Lee Brizendine, 83, Burnet
Beth Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
Hutch Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
John Burgess, 39, (camping in an RV)
Julia Anderson Burgess, 38, (camping in an RV)
Tanya Burwick, 62, San Angelo (car)

C
Ella Cahill, 21, (riverside cabin)
Chloe Childress, 18, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Cody Crossland, 40s, Ingram (car)
Michelle 'Shellie' Crossland, 50, Ingram (car)

D
Molly DeWitt, 9, Camp Mystic
Josephine 'Phina' Dunlap, adult, Andrews

E
Katheryn Eads, 52, (camping in an RV)
Richard 'Dick' Eastland, 74, Camp Mystic (camp director)

F
Bruce Ferguson, 83, (in an RV)
Holly Frizzell, 72, Hunt/Casa Bonita

G
Sally Sample Graves, 91, Kerrville

H
Malaya Hammond, 17, Burnet County (car)
Hadley Hanna, 8, Camp Mystic
Blair Harber, 13, (family riverside cabin)
Brooke Harber, 11, (family riverside cabin)
Janie Hunt, 9, Camp Mystic

I

J
Mary Kathryn Jacobe, 8, Camp Mystic
Braxton Jarmon, 15, Leander
Emlyn Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)
Penny Cooper Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)

K
Melissa Kamin, 45, (camper)
Rob Kamin, 50, (camper)
DeeAnn Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)
Gary Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)


L
Lainey Landry, 9, Camp Mystic
Hanna Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Rebecca Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic

M
Reese Manchaca, 21, Hunt
Sarah Marsh, 8, Camp Mystic
Alissa Martin, adult, Leander
Amanda Martin, 44, (camping in an RV)
OPD Officer Bailey Martin, 23, (camping)
Bobby Martin, 46, (camping in an RV)
Linnie McCown, 8, Camp Mystic
Blakely McCrory, 8, Camp Mystic
Clayton Meadows, adult,(riverside cabin)
Harley Moeller, 5/6, (camping in an RV
Jake Moeller, 38, (camping in an RV)
Megan Moeller, 33, (camping in an RV)

N
Wynne Naylor, 8, Camp Mystic

O
José Olvera, 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

P
Clay Parisher, 20mo, (family riverside cabin)
Eloise Peck, 8, Camp Mystic
Brad Perry, 49, (camping in an RV)
Preston Prince, 22, (car)

R
Jane Ragsdale, 68, Heart O' The Hills (camp director)
Joel Ramos, adult, Ingram (car)
Kyndall Ramos, teen, (car)
Tanya Ramsey, 46, (camper)
Sherry Richardson, 64, (riverside cabin)
Cindy Nelson Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
James Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
Julian Ryan, 27, Ingram (arterial laceration while saving his family)

S
Camille Santana, adult, (riverside cabin)
Mollie Schaffer, adult, Hunt
Shon Scott, adult, Andrews
Renee Smajstrla, 8, Camp Mystic
Mary Stevens, 8, Camp Mystic
Kaitlyn Swallow, 22, Williamson

T
Greta Toranzo, 10, Camp Mystic
Alicia Torres (Olvera), 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

U

V
William Venus, 57, (car)

W
Tim Walker, 63, (family riverside cabin)
Betty West, 84, Travis County
Amber Wilson, adult, (truck with camper)
Jeff Wilson, 55, Kerrville (truck with camper)
Shiloh Wilson, 12, Kerrville (truck with camper)

X

Y

Z
Paula Zunker, 35/36, (riverside cabin)
Reece Zunker, 36, (riverside cabin)

 

[Teche]

It is important that people understand what is meant by a 100 year flood plain. My dad was a civil engineer, I’ve seen him review 100 year flood plain maps as well as 500 year flood plain maps.
Many people use and misunderstand what is meant by 100 year flood plain
FEMA 100 year flood plain
100 year flood plain- a line that designates that statistically there is a 1% chance that a flood could occur within the boundary in any given year.
500 year flood plain- a line that designates that statistically there is a 0.2% chance that a flood could occur within the boundary in any given year.
The line of a 100 year flood is a designation based on a statistical analysis of hydrological information. It doesn’t mean only one will happen once in 100 years, nor does it mean 100 years will pass since the last 100 year flood.

The line of 100 year flood also does not have a depth of water, nor does it have a time of year, or a speed of movement.

This designation is used to determine types and locations of development and also costs of insurance for structures. The designation is not meant to be a hard predictor- it is meant to be a soft number for estimation.

What kinds of things change the 100 year flood plain?
When land development occurs upstream, flood events occur, dams are built or rebuilt, the lines of the 100 flood plain changes.
As the planet’s climate changes we must realize we will be less able to understand storm events, much less know or predict where and when storms events and floods will occur.

Is there a process to do review how land development upstream may impact the existing structures or flood plain status of land downstream? No

As investigations are taking place to determine how to prevent future loss of life during floods- answers will not include telling land owners they cannot build along the rivers.
Solutions
A solution would be to review emergency notifications and determine how they can be received by camp directors and counselors in a timely fashion, to they can escape on roads that are passable.

IMO
Heartbroken- We are about one week out, over 100 deaths, over 150 still missing.

Thank you for this detailed post. It’s eye opening.

 

[Jade]

What a shame a known and present danger ignored. The magic was an illusion.


At Camp Mystic, meanwhile, several of the cabins that were hit hardest in the flooding were in an area identified by the federal government as the highest-risk location for inundations from the Guadalupe. Even as the camp built new cabins in a less-risky flood zone elsewhere on its property, nothing was done to relocate the buildings in the most danger.

“Camp officials might have not been aware of flood risk when they first built the cabins,” before the county even had flood maps, said Anna Serra-Llobet, a University of California-Berkeley researcher who studies flood risk. But after the recent construction, she said, officials should have realized they were in an area of “severe hazard.”
…

Camp Mystic has a long history with flooding, going back to just a few years after it was established 99 years ago.
In 1932, flood waters “swept away” several cabins at the camp and led campers to evacuate across the river by canoe, according to an article in the Abilene Daily Reporter. A counselor told the Austin American-Statesman at the time that campers might “have drowned if we had gone out the front door and walked face-into a sheet of water!”
…
In 1978, an article in the Kerrville Mountain Sun reported that Camp Mystic was “the most severely damaged” of local summer camps affected by a flood that year. A separate article reported that five Camp Mystic counselors “had their automobiles swept into the Guadalupe River” by flood waters that year.

And in 1985, Eastland’s wife Tweety, then pregnant with their fourth child, had to be airlifted from Camp Mystic to a hospital due to floodwaters, local news reported.
…
One of the region’s most devastating floods – until last week’s Fourth of July disaster – came in 1987, when 10 children attending a different camp in the area were killed by floodwaters during a rushed evacuation.

Eastland, who at the time was serving on the board of the Upper Guadalupe River Authority, which manages the river, pushed for a new flood warning system.
…
“I’m sure there will be other drownings,” Eastland said in a 1990 interview with the Austin American-Statesman. “People don’t heed the warnings.”
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“When they did the construction of the recent buildings, they should have seen the FEMA maps,” Serra-Llobet said. That, she said, was a “window of opportunity” where camp officials could have realized their decades-old dorms were in a high-hazard zone and acted to address it. Camp Mystic could have relocated the buildings to higher ground, or just turned them into structures for recreational activities and made sure that campers were sleeping in safer areas, she said.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/11/us/c...27 people were,to better mitigate those risks.


all imo

 

[Jade]

Here seems to be the initial alert that the camp was flooding when a counselor ran to the camp office to tell that water was rising up the porch of their cabin. A miracle even more weren’t lost in the mayhem.


Nancy Clement, a photographer at Camp Mystic, woke up to heavy rain around 2 a.m. on July 4 – but the severity of the deluge only hit her about an hour later when the water started rising up the porch of her cabin.

As campers evacuated to the recreation center, a counselor ran to the camp office and notified a police officer there that the flooding was becoming dangerous. The officer then told the program director that a dire situation was imminent, Clement recounted.

Clement and other staff members started piling up their belongings on their beds, figuring the water wouldn’t reach there and if it did the mattresses would float.

That’s when the cabin door snapped in half and the water suddenly rushed in.

Clements forcefully pried open the other cabin door to exit. The group dispersed along the porch holding columns to keep steady. When the water reached their shoulders, they realized they had to get out of the porch to avoid getting trapped under it.

Using the window sill as a foothold, Clement hoisted herself onto the roof, clutching her phone, wallet and a soaked stuffed animal she’s had since she was 2-years-old.

Then Clement helped other camp employees up. When one staffer who was trying to get on the roof got swept away and caught on a volleyball net, the women tied their shirts together to help, only to find that the staffer swam against the current and made it back. They helped pull her onto the roof.

https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-news/texas-flooding-camp-mystic-07-10-25


all imo

 

[CrimeDawg123]

An interview from the scene

I'm pretty sure the house he is standing in front of is at 145 Should Bee, Ingram, TX 78025 and looks pretty high up from the river when I look at google maps (looks like they added onto the house a bit since google street view).

Drive West · Drive West, 145 Should Bee, Ingram, TX 78025

Drive West, 145 Should Bee, Ingram, TX 78025

www.google.com

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Here seems to be the initial alert that the camp was flooding when a counselor ran to the camp office to tell that water was rising up the porch of their cabin. A miracle even more weren’t lost in the mayhem.


Nancy Clement, a photographer at Camp Mystic, woke up to heavy rain around 2 a.m. on July 4 – but the severity of the deluge only hit her about an hour later when the water started rising up the porch of her cabin.

As campers evacuated to the recreation center, a counselor ran to the camp office and notified a police officer there that the flooding was becoming dangerous. The officer then told the program director that a dire situation was imminent, Clement recounted.

Clement and other staff members started piling up their belongings on their beds, figuring the water wouldn’t reach there and if it did the mattresses would float.

That’s when the cabin door snapped in half and the water suddenly rushed in.

Clements forcefully pried open the other cabin door to exit. The group dispersed along the porch holding columns to keep steady. When the water reached their shoulders, they realized they had to get out of the porch to avoid getting trapped under it.

Using the window sill as a foothold, Clement hoisted herself onto the roof, clutching her phone, wallet and a soaked stuffed animal she’s had since she was 2-years-old.

Then Clement helped other camp employees up. When one staffer who was trying to get on the roof got swept away and caught on a volleyball net, the women tied their shirts together to help, only to find that the staffer swam against the current and made it back. They helped pull her onto the roof.

https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-news/texas-flooding-camp-mystic-07-10-25


all imo

They didn't have time to get the kids (I say this realizing the camp counselors are themselves pretty much kids.) The counselors, kids, no one should have been put in this situation. It's hard to fathom just how big a screwup this is.

 

[jennytrevor]

The CNN video points to an alleged lack of monitoring and action by local officials, who did not properly manage alerts from the state.

It was a holiday weekend. I wonder if it will come out that whoever was supposed to be in charge in Kerr County of being up late, watching the situation, and sending out emergency notifications was on vacation out of the area. And then either they did not properly prepare their temporary replacement for duties, or the replacement neglected their duties in some way (whether accidentally or purposefully).

 

[knla]

President Trump, Governor Abbott press conference. Dr. Phil, Ted Cruz, Melania are there.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Wow, <modsnip: language> They haven't bothered to give any updates.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943773389962785245

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943752267393282324

 

[LadyL]

Isn’t that learned in school? How do people learn to swim? Private lessons then? Where i live, in Europe, it’s part of school lessons. And even the ones who, for whatever reason, can’t/don’t learn how to swim, learn to float. I can’t imagine doing watersports or going on/working in a camp or camping close to water without knowing how to swim. You never know when you need it! So important!

some of us cannot float or swim and no amount of 'learning' has worked our entire lives
yes it's private lessons here in Canada - not taught in schools

 

[LadyL]

Harley Moeller, Gary, and DeeAnn Knetsch confirmed deceased (staying in HTR RV Park) Article

-Beth and Hutch Bryan have been found (Article with all following names)
-Clayton Meadows has been found (29, Arrowhead Cabins)
-Malaya Hammond (17, Burnet County)
-Lee Brizendine (83)
-Betty West (84)

Alicia Torres (wife of Don Jose Olvera) was also found, confirmed by family on Facebook but I haven't seen any articles yet

Also I believe Al Lorio 's identification was retracted, his name is gone from the linked article now

I'm local, I joined because I found you guys were keeping a list of the missing/recovered. I have a running list I've been working on for the last few days, I organized mine by location rather than last name though!

Hoping the missing are found swiftly and that all those affected find some sort of peace

when you say 'found' do you mean found alive?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Lucy Dillon (8)

Lucy Dillon was a reader, corgi lover and devoted Houston Rockets fan. She lost her life in the Kerr County flood

We're learning more about the victims in the Hill County flooding.

www.khou.com

Kellyanne Lytal (8)

Kellyanne Lytal, daughter of former Memorial High School football player, died in Texas floods, family confirms

Kellyanne Lytal was among the missing Camp Mystic campers. On Friday, her family confirmed her life was taken in the flooding.

www.khou.com

Abby Pohl (8)

3 girls from Austin among victims in flash floods at Camp Mystic

Abby Pohl's family confirmed the passing of their daughter on Friday. The deaths of Linnie McCown and Mary Stevens were previously confirmed by their families.

www.kvue.com

@iamshadow21

 

[knla]

President Trump, Governor Abbott press conference. Dr. Phil, Ted Cruz, Melania are there.

 

[vls12345]

Hi, folks, needed a day off, and with most of the MSM dropping their live coverage, finding sources for names is much harder. One notable name added. They found Shiloh Wilson. So that's the whole Wilson family found, now. I couldn't find anything new about Felicity Jarmon, Tasha Ramos, the Burgess boys, the Walker family or the Santana family. I'll check again, and check for other known missing names tomorrow.


Current Known Victim List

A

B
Joyce-Catherine Badon, 21, (riverside cabin)
Mary Grace Baker, 8, Camp Mystic
Anna Margaret Bellows, 8, Camp Mystic
Lila Bonner, 9, Camp Mystic
Lee Brizendine, 83, Burnet
Beth Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
Hutch Bryan, adult, (riverside cabin)
John Burgess, 39, (camping in an RV)
Julia Anderson Burgess, 38, (camping in an RV)
Tanya Burwick, 62, San Angelo (car)

C
Ella Cahill, 21, (riverside cabin)
Chloe Childress, 18, Camp Mystic (counselor)
Cody Crossland, 40s, Ingram (car)
Michelle 'Shellie' Crossland, 50, Ingram (car)

D
Molly DeWitt, 9, Camp Mystic
Josephine 'Phina' Dunlap, adult, Andrews

E
Katheryn Eads, 52, (camping in an RV)
Richard 'Dick' Eastland, 74, Camp Mystic (camp director)

F
Bruce Ferguson, 83, (in an RV)
Holly Frizzell, 72, Hunt/Casa Bonita

G
Sally Sample Graves, 91, Kerrville

H
Malaya Hammond, 17, Burnet County (car)
Hadley Hanna, 8, Camp Mystic
Blair Harber, 13, (family riverside cabin)
Brooke Harber, 11, (family riverside cabin)
Janie Hunt, 9, Camp Mystic

I

J
Mary Kathryn Jacobe, 8, Camp Mystic
Braxton Jarmon, 15, Leander
Emlyn Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)
Penny Cooper Jeffrey, adult, (family riverside cabin)

K
Melissa Kamin, 45, (camper)
Rob Kamin, 50, (camper)
DeeAnn Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)
Gary Knetsch, adult, (camping in an RV)


L
Lainey Landry, 9, Camp Mystic
Hanna Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic
Rebecca Lawrence, 8, Camp Mystic

M
Reese Manchaca, 21, Hunt
Sarah Marsh, 8, Camp Mystic
Alissa Martin, adult, Leander
Amanda Martin, 44, (camping in an RV)
OPD Officer Bailey Martin, 23, (camping)
Bobby Martin, 46, (camping in an RV)
Linnie McCown, 8, Camp Mystic
Blakely McCrory, 8, Camp Mystic
Clayton Meadows, adult,(riverside cabin)
Harley Moeller, 5/6, (camping in an RV
Jake Moeller, 38, (camping in an RV)
Megan Moeller, 33, (camping in an RV)

N
Wynne Naylor, 8, Camp Mystic

O
José Olvera, 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

P
Clay Parisher, 20mo, (family riverside cabin)
Eloise Peck, 8, Camp Mystic
Brad Perry, 49, (camping in an RV)
Preston Prince, 22, (car)

R
Jane Ragsdale, 68, Heart O' The Hills (camp director)
Joel Ramos, adult, Ingram (car)
Kyndall Ramos, teen, (car)
Tanya Ramsey, 46, (camper)
Sherry Richardson, 64, (riverside cabin)
Cindy Nelson Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
James Rushing, 50s/60s, (camper)
Julian Ryan, 27, Ingram (arterial laceration while saving his family)

S
Camille Santana, adult, (riverside cabin)
Mollie Schaffer, adult, Hunt
Shon Scott, adult, Andrews
Renee Smajstrla, 8, Camp Mystic
Mary Stevens, 8, Camp Mystic
Kaitlyn Swallow, 22, Williamson

T
Greta Toranzo, 10, Camp Mystic
Alicia Torres (Olvera), 70s, Kerr County/Hunt

U

V
William Venus, 57, (car)

W
Tim Walker, 63, (family riverside cabin)
Betty West, 84, Travis County
Amber Wilson, adult, (truck with camper)
Jeff Wilson, 55, Kerrville (truck with camper)
Shiloh Wilson, 12, Kerrville (truck with camper)

X

Y

Z
Paula Zunker, 35/36, (riverside cabin)
Reece Zunker, 36, (riverside cabin)

Josephine Hardin and her mother

Atlanta attorney, mother among those swept away in TX floods as crews continue search for missing

Josephine Hardin and her mother were in Texas with family for the July 4 holiday when they were swept away in the floods.

www.wsbtv.com

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Yikes, it gets worse

"FEMA Didn’t Answer Thousands of Calls From Flood Survivors, Documents Show
Two days after deadly Texas floods, the agency struggled to answer calls from survivors because of call center contracts that weren’t extended."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/11/climate/fema-missed-calls-texas-floods.html?unlocked_article_code=1.V08.Bp11._bsOnZb6O1Hf&smid=url-share

 

[ASipowicz]

From the New York Times today, victims from the HTR Park and Campground:

"For those who lost loved ones at the campgrounds, the search has been agonizing.

“We have been to morgue after morgue, medical examiner after medical examiner,” said Ryen Brake, whose grandparents, Robert and Joni Brake, had been staying in Cabin No. 47.

By Thursday, the family had learned that both their bodies had been found."

 

[Friday Fan]

I don't follow. Can you clarify who you expected to have done what, exactly?
Might as well point fingers clearly.

Someone from the NWS and the Texas Dept of Emergency management was supposed to call the Kerr County Emergency Management at 1:14 am. They are all in Kerrville and were not aware of the flooding in Hunt. They claim no one called them. (NWS alerts are hyper local and will only appear on phones located in the red area. Kerrville is not in the red area) All of the emergency management for Kerr County is in Kerrville.

Weather warnings gave officials a 3 hour, 21 minute window to save lives in Kerr County. What happened then remains unclear.

Federal forecasters issued their first flood warning at 1:14 a.m. on July 4. Local officials haven’t shed light on when they saw the warnings or whether they saw them in time to take action.

www.texastribune.org