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It is now but it may not of been quite as close of the time. I believe that I 45 was only two lane at the time in the ditch there with the Culvert was not present to my understanding

When I hit the historical tab, if I'm looking at the right road, it looks like there was an access road next to it in 1960?
 
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When I hit the historical tab, if I'm looking at the right road, it looks like there was an access road next to it in 1960?

Interesting. I’ll have to see if I can find that. Thanks!
 
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It looks like that list is current inmates. Some where incarcerated in the 80's but I wanted a list of who was there at the time. I started making a list of people through old articles but I only have 4 names so far.

Yes, I get that; the list of inmates is constantly updating, but IIRC, we've been down this alley a few times already with little or nothing as a result. I suggest you read earlier posts, though, maybe you spot something that was missed first time around? I think posts around post #1800-#1820 were prison related, plus the very first posts. It's always good with a pair of "new" eyes.
 
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Yes, I get that; the list of inmates is constantly updating, but IIRC, we've been down this alley a few times already with little or nothing as a result. I suggest you read earlier posts, though, maybe you spot something that was missed first time around? I think posts around post #1800-#1820 were prison related, plus the very first posts. It's always good with a pair of "new" eyes.

I would also like to make a request for a listing of inmates at Ellis Co. during that time just out of curiosity. That thought has stuck with me for a while now. Do we know if anyone has done that yet?
 
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I would also like to make a request for a listing of inmates at Ellis Co. during that time just out of curiosity. That thought has stuck with me for a while now. Do we know if anyone has done that yet?
I am trying to piece one together by looking at online sources. I am not getting very far.
Is it possible the waitress remembered wrong and it wasn't Rockport. It could have been Round Rock or Rockdale.
 
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I am trying to piece one together by looking at online sources. I am not getting very far.

I'm not either. I guess I could submit a request. Not sure they would be able to fill that but could try.
 
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I'm not either. I guess I could submit a request. Not sure they would be able to fill that but could try.
Never hurts to ask.
 
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Do they ever test the Does' DNA against each other to see if there is a family relation between them? What about entering them into CODIS?
I was also thinking what if the person she went to see wasn't a family member? What if she was going to confront a murderer? Or she was fascinated by reading about someone there and decided to meet him. That would explain why no one knew her.
Way back in the comments there was a mention of a prisoner who was there and he had connections to the coast. The woman he murdered was a mother of 5. Could it have been her daughter or granddaughter? Maybe a niece? I was trying to do some ancestry research on the woman and, if I have it right, she had a daughter born in 1963. I found a birth record with that girls name and no father listed for a daughter born in 1980 in Calhoun County, part of which is near Rockport. The mother was killed a few months later and the murderer was sent to the Ellis Unit. I can't find the daughter. I didn't come up with a marriage record for her. No death records. Tried a fb page but not sure any of them could be her.
 
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wait I missed this what movie?????
There was a video made about runaway kids, I believe in 1980. Some one thought a girl who called herself Kitty looked like WCJD. I saw a still that was supposed to be a picture of the Kitty girl and she had on big sunglasses that hid half her face.
 
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Looking at the cemetery records for the prison I had a thought. We have speculated that she intended for it to be a short trip and it might have taken her much longer to get there then she had thought. What if the person she was going to see was being executed? It could have been that he was executed and therefore not there when they asked if anyone knew her. How long after her discovery did they go to the prison?
 
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If I'm reading this site correctly, there were no executions in TX that year.
 
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There are burials in the prison cemetery for 1980.

They wouldn't have to be executed people, would they? Other people die while incarcerated and if their family didn't claim them, wouldn't they be buried at the prison? Can you see if any of the dates are in the fall? That could be why she wasn't concerned about visiting hours, if she was just expecting them to take her to the cemetery plot.
 
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They wouldn't have to be executed people, would they? Other people die while incarcerated and if their family didn't claim them, wouldn't they be buried at the prison? Can you see if any of the dates are in the fall? That could be why she wasn't concerned about visiting hours, if she was just expecting them to take her to the cemetery plot.
Deaths that year are Cecil Barker Nov 22, John Black Aug 19, Rafael Gonzales Feb 2, Clarence Williams Nov 10. That doesn't include anyone who might have been buried somewhere else by family.
 
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Deaths that year are Cecil Barker Nov 22, John Black Aug 19, Rafael Gonzales Feb 2, Clarence Williams Nov 10. That doesn't include anyone who might have been buried somewhere else by family.

Well, I guess we can eliminate the two November ones, because that's after she died. But John Black is interesting.

This one?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93272301/john-black

(oops, accidentally deleted part of my post.)
 
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