• #3,961
Is it possible WCJD is connected to the "Missing Texas 40"....All the people are primarily missing from Montgomery and Liberty County (north of Huntsville)...Also I believe some disappearances/murders may have happened at Sam Houston National Forest..

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  • #3,962
This MP resembles WCJD PM photo IMO..The main problems is her age, DLC and her hair looks dark brown... I've seen a few MPs that resemble her...

Eileen Francis Hynson
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  • Hynson, circa 1976
  • Missing Since: 06/01/1976
  • Missing From: Napa, CA
  • Age: 19 years old
  • Height: 5' 2"
  • Weight: 130 pounds
  • Brown hair
  • Hazel eyes
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  • #3,963
My theory I keep landing on is her killer was truck driver in the Hitch'n'post and overheard her talking to the waitress. He probably found her attractive, then overheard the little details that made her super vulnerable: asking for directions to a prison (showing she's not familiar with the area and whoever was waiting for her was immobile), hearing she seemed disconnected from parents/had no one looking for her ("who cares"), and then saw she left on foot at nighttime. I'm betting he drove the direction she went/towards the prison unit, offered her a ride, perhaps mentioned she could sleep in his truck, then took full advantage and did those unthinkable acts. That would also align with the theory why she had her underwear inside her to prevent any bleeding/dna leaving a trail while she was in transport to be dumped. Ugh, this breaks my heart typing this out. Even if it wasn't in that exact sequencing or scenario, I feel it was a truck driver who killed her.
did we ever figure if Samuel little was around this area it fits his MO ( along with a lot of others)
 
  • #3,964
One thing has always baffled me about this case. Several theories propose that this girl at the time of her disappearance was in foster care. If that's true then why is it so difficult to find her identity. I admit I don't know much about the U.S. foster care system but doesn't the government keep track of the kids in that system. It seems like if one of them went missing the US government would find out about it as soon as the social worker made the next visit to the foster home. Is there something I'm missing?
 
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  • #3,966
One thing has always baffled me about this case. Several theories propose that this girl at the time of her disappearance was in foster care. If that's true then why is it so difficult to find her identity. I admit I don't know much about the U.S. foster care system but doesn't the government keep track of the kids in that system. It seems like if one of them went missing the US government would find out about it as soon as the social worker made the next visit to the foster home. Is there something I'm missing?

No..I don't think LE had a way of tracking them...During that time and prior people were trusting and hitchhiked all over the country... The runaway could use an alias and if their fingerprints weren't on file to verify their identity, I don't think LE would know their true identity... They may send out a notification of a runaway in the state...Unfortunately predators used that to prey on them...The victims fell through the cracks...I wish they had a way to track them...
 
  • #3,967
One thing has always baffled me about this case. Several theories propose that this girl at the time of her disappearance was in foster care. If that's true then why is it so difficult to find her identity. I admit I don't know much about the U.S. foster care system but doesn't the government keep track of the kids in that system. It seems like if one of them went missing the US government would find out about it as soon as the social worker made the next visit to the foster home. Is there something I'm missing?

The foster care system is flawed. I'm assuming before the internet state to state communication was even worse. Missing in the foster system could mean the kid went back to their family. Their social worker usually checks out those areas and local police are told to look out for the kid. This is if the foster parents report a missing kid. If someone regularly runs away they aren't going to be a high priority. The foster parents might give them a day or two to come back. It complicates things when they are running to family more often than not. Hitchhiking for 24 hours could get them over a thousand miles away.
Also once kids age out of the system at 18 they are on their own. It would be easy to slip through the cracks.
 
  • #3,968
This MP resembles WCJD PM photo IMO..The main problems is her age, DLC and her hair looks dark brown... I've seen a few MPs that resemble her...

Eileen Francis Hynson
eileen_francis_hynson_1.jpg

  • Hynson, circa 1976
  • Missing Since: 06/01/1976
  • Missing From: Napa, CA
  • Age: 19 years old
  • Height: 5' 2"
  • Weight: 130 pounds
  • Brown hair
  • Hazel eyes
CHARLEY PROJECT
Interesting! I can definitely see a resemblance, mainly the eyes, nose, and face shape. Eileen's chin looks a little large in comparison to WCJD's PM photo.
 
  • #3,969
did we ever figure if Samuel little was around this area it fits his MO ( along with a lot of others)
We know he was in the area because of records of traffic tickets/violations surrounding cities and counties have on him but not sure if he was in Houston/Huntsville specifically in October 1980 when WCJD was killed. The method Samuel Little killed his victims is very similar to how WCJD died, but even if it were Samuel Little, it wouldn't help with finding her name and identity because even though Little can draw from memory what his victims looked like, he says he can't remember all his victim's names and if he does, it's usually a nickname.
 
  • #3,970
Interesting! I can definitely see a resemblance, mainly the eyes, nose, and face shape. Eileen's chin looks a little large in comparison to WCJD's PM photo.

She has her head tilted at just the right angle...She definitely resembles her...

From what I read she suffered a terrible attack...It's possible parts of her face had broken bones or was enlarged due to swelling...The strangulation may have impacted the position of her neck to...
 
  • #3,971
She has her head tilted at just the right angle...She definitely resembles her...

From what I read she suffered a terrible attack...It's possible parts of her face had broken bones or was enlarged due to swelling...The strangulation may have impacted the position of her neck to...
That's true. Wait, so Eileen Hynson 19 years old in 1976? So wouldn't that make her 23 in 1980? To me, that would rule her our for WCJD because WCJD's PM picture, she looks on the younger end of the spectrum the estimated her age at - I would say 14-15 years old.
 
  • #3,972
That's true. Wait, so Eileen Hynson 19 years old in 1976? So wouldn't that make her 23 in 1980? To me, that would rule her our for WCJD because WCJD's PM picture, she looks on the younger end of the spectrum the estimated her age at - I would say 14-15 years old.

I'm no expert but as I continue to look through databases most of the 20 year olds look young to me...Case in point, Denise Beaudin, Terri Rasmussen's missing girlfriend, looks young in 1981..She's 23 but could pass for a teen IMO...
 
  • #3,973
That's true. Wait, so Eileen Hynson 19 years old in 1976? So wouldn't that make her 23 in 1980? To me, that would rule her our for WCJD because WCJD's PM picture, she looks on the younger end of the spectrum the estimated her age at - I would say 14-15 years old.

I finally read this full thread recently and I believe you live near/in Huntsville...I watched this documentary recently about a nice lady fighting for her brother whose on death row in TX and it showed the Death Row Museum in Huntsville...It even showed women marrying inmates on the radio...

I heard about the Texas 40 a few years ago, what do you think is going on...
 
  • #3,974
I'm no expert but as I continue to look through databases most of the 20 year olds look young to me...Case in point, Denise Beaudin, Terri Rasmussen's missing girlfriend, looks young in 1981..She's 23 but could pass for a teen IMO...
Wow, you're right, I wouldn't guess her at 23! I have had that thought before that it's not unheard of to look alarmingly younger than you are, especially if you are still pretty young. What always made me think WCJD was on the younger end of the estimated spectrum is her face still has that "baby fat" look, but like we mentioned, it's hard to see her true/actual features in her PM photo.
 
  • #3,975
Wow, you're right, I wouldn't guess her at 23! I have had that thought before that it's not unheard of to look alarmingly younger than you are, especially if you are still pretty young. What always made me think WCJD was on the younger end of the estimated spectrum is her face still has that "baby fat" look, but like we mentioned, it's hard to see her true/actual features in her PM photo.

Off topic but the photo of Denise Beaudin in the brown shirt is from high School. She looked different at the time she left but no good photos.

And WCJD's age isn't based off of her photo, it was an anthropological exam that determined her age range.
 
  • #3,976
The article/info that I read stated WCJD was exhumed to extract DNA...I do not recall reading anything about an anthropologist examining her remains...However, I was just informed recently that her bones were also examined...
 
  • #3,977
The foster care system is flawed. I'm assuming before the internet state to state communication was even worse. Missing in the foster system could mean the kid went back to their family. Their social worker usually checks out those areas and local police are told to look out for the kid. This is if the foster parents report a missing kid. If someone regularly runs away they aren't going to be a high priority. The foster parents might give them a day or two to come back. It complicates things when they are running to family more often than not. Hitchhiking for 24 hours could get them over a thousand miles away.
Also once kids age out of the system at 18 they are on their own. It would be easy to slip through the cracks.

This is what happened to Patricia Taylor. Her family didn't even know she'd run away, I think they believed she'd been adopted, that was why no one had heard from her. She wasn't. It doesn't appear the state of OK looked for her. In all fairness, they may have but didn't note it. What it looks like is she ran away, and when she didn't come back, they simply closed out her file and called it good when she aged out of the system. God bless her sister, she's been looking for her ever since they found out.
 
  • #3,978
Off topic but the photo of Denise Beaudin in the brown shirt is from high School. She looked different at the time she left but no good photos.

And WCJD's age isn't based off of her photo, it was an anthropological exam that determined her age range.
Right, i'm aware. But we were talking about what we guessed her age at from the window based on the anthropological exam and how she looked from the photo.
 
  • #3,979
Was there anything going on at the other prisons at the time? I'm not familiar with the area are the prisons fairly close together? If WCJD got the name of the prison wrong it would mean she probably wasn't in contact with an inmate. If she had been writing someone she would have most likely kept an envelope. It would have the exact address and possibly an inmate number. Could she have been waiting for someone to get out of a prison? Or was she trying to visit someone she knew but wasn't able to communicate with?
There were a couple of regular events (traveling carnivals and such) that I found in the area around that time. The only other thing was the filming of “Urban Cowboy” was going on all around that area at the time...but I’ve not had luck in even coming up with a way to connect the two... it was just something I thought would attract a lot of locals who were maybe trying to get a cameo in one of the scenes or something?

Someone earlier on this thread mentioned a prison rodeo...I agree with the previous statement that we are relying heavily on witness statements... There could've been a mistake...But 3 different people identified her...2 mentioned her going to a prison but maybe it wasn't the Ellis Farm...

I mentioned the Prison Rodeo not too long ago..I’m not sure if I posted links but it’s very easy to find tons of newspaper articles and information...it was a very big thing especially around the time of this case. People came from all over to see it. I think Angola was the only other prison to have any type of event that brought in a lot of tourist. I know the Prison Rodeo was held every Sunday each October, which is what first cause my attention but IIRC someone mentioned that WCJD was killed on a Friday. And the rodeo has always been held out the Huntsville “Walls” Unit, quite a ways from Ellis. It would make much more sense if she were attempting to make it to the Huntsville Unit. Other than the Ellis unit which is about 15 miles out of town, the other units are all relatively close to I-45. A couple directly across from one another or right next to each other. If you travel through Huntsville it almost seems like there is a Unit on each corner and half of the vehicles are State vehicles. TDCJ is definitely the main source of employment in that area. I do agree that she at least told the witnesses she was trying to make it to the prison, wether or not she actually was I don’t know. But getting the Units mixed up is not hard to do even if you’re familiar with them, so I think it’s a strong possibility that is what happened. Ellis was the the most talked about so it’d probably be the first to come to mind...

did we ever figure if Samuel little was around this area it fits his MO ( along with a lot of others)

IMO opinion based on what I’ve read of Little and his victims, he stuck mostly to prostitutes or transients and I’d consider him more of a possibility if WCJD fit that profile...she just doesn’t seem like she was living on the streets. I could be wrong about both and Little seems like a very different breed of serial killer. I don’t think anything would surprise me when it comes to him!

...it showed the Death Row Museum in Huntsville...It even showed women marrying inmates on the radio...

I heard about the Texas 40 a few years ago, what do you think is going on...

Did you happen to see the link I posted a little above this? (I’d link the comment if I knew his LOL) but it was about a prison radio station! Basically friends and family of offenders could call in and “speak” to them over the air, for those units that could pick up the radio station, but the inmates could not talk back. It mentioned that a lot of them got married that way! I had never heard of such a thing and it sounds like anyone could call in and speak to someone in prison. Very interesting!

I’m also curious what people think about the Texas 40. It seems so easy to connect several Does to most all of the serial killers in the area at the time. A lot of similarities in victims and MOs!


•MMcG•
 
  • #3,980
There were a couple of regular events (traveling carnivals and such) that I found in the area around that time. The only other thing was the filming of “Urban Cowboy” was going on all around that area at the time...but I’ve not had luck in even coming up with a way to connect the two... it was just something I thought would attract a lot of locals who were maybe trying to get a cameo in one of the scenes or something?



I mentioned the Prison Rodeo not too long ago..I’m not sure if I posted links but it’s very easy to find tons of newspaper articles and information...it was a very big thing especially around the time of this case. People came from all over to see it. I think Angola was the only other prison to have any type of event that brought in a lot of tourist. I know the Prison Rodeo was held every Sunday each October, which is what first cause my attention but IIRC someone mentioned that WCJD was killed on a Friday. And the rodeo has always been held out the Huntsville “Walls” Unit, quite a ways from Ellis. It would make much more sense if she were attempting to make it to the Huntsville Unit. Other than the Ellis unit which is about 15 miles out of town, the other units are all relatively close to I-45. A couple directly across from one another or right next to each other. If you travel through Huntsville it almost seems like there is a Unit on each corner and half of the vehicles are State vehicles. TDCJ is definitely the main source of employment in that area. I do agree that she at least told the witnesses she was trying to make it to the prison, wether or not she actually was I don’t know. But getting the Units mixed up is not hard to do even if you’re familiar with them, so I think it’s a strong possibility that is what happened. Ellis was the the most talked about so it’d probably be the first to come to mind...



IMO opinion based on what I’ve read of Little and his victims, he stuck mostly to prostitutes or transients and I’d consider him more of a possibility if WCJD fit that profile...she just doesn’t seem like she was living on the streets. I could be wrong about both and Little seems like a very different breed of serial killer. I don’t think anything would surprise me when it comes to him!



Did you happen to see the link I posted a little above this? (I’d link the comment if I knew his LOL) but it was about a prison radio station! Basically friends and family of offenders could call in and “speak” to them over the air, for those units that could pick up the radio station, but the inmates could not talk back. It mentioned that a lot of them got married that way! I had never heard of such a thing and it sounds like anyone could call in and speak to someone in prison. Very interesting!

I’m also curious what people think about the Texas 40. It seems so easy to connect several Does to most all of the serial killers in the area at the time. A lot of similarities in victims and MOs!


•MMcG•

I do remember reading about your comments about the marriages...I watched the documentary not to long before you posted that comment...

I was expecting a documentary about the death row inmates case, but it shows the impact on his family...It's not for everyone but it was interesting and different from the typical DR documentary...Here's the trailer for 'The Road to Livingston'...
 

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