Identified! TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe', WhtFem 14-16, 91UFTX, Nov'80 Sherry Ann Jarvis

[MissInvizzible]

Has anyone else wondered how accurate the eye color was?

 

[cherrymeg]

They had plenty of probable employment prospects on the grounds. It was a very busy place during that time. They would have had construction happening, and they had records keeping division and human resources department so many more that I can not remember at this moment but its a very good possibility that she could have been seeking employment and was attempting to meet with someone who probably lured her in with the promise of a job opportunity.

Do you think records were kept for part time employees? If you look back over people that would have worked in the area and check them against current criminal records, could that offer up new suspects? Is that even possible?

 

[cherrymeg]

Has anyone else wondered how accurate the eye color was?

That is a good question. Hazel eyes can look different depending on what someone wears or the light, right? When they found her she had bruising that occured prior to her death. Sorry if this has been asked but how long would it take for bruises to appear?

 

[SisterGrimm]

That is a good question. Hazel eyes can look different depending on what someone wears or the light, right? When they found her she had bruising that occured prior to her death. Sorry if this has been asked but how long would it take for bruises to appear?

I actually know people with blue and brown eyes that tell people they have hazel eyes because they don't know the difference.

 

[proctorelites]

I think we dicyssed this way way back when? But I always question, what is hazel?
Ive always called brown & green eyes hazel while others state blue & green is hazel.
And now I see blue & brown eyes
Definitely a question worth review. Were the morgue photos in color? Seems like Carlk answered this question before and I would believe him based on him having access to several of those photos if I am not mistaken. (For his likeness of WCJD which a lot of us take as gospel b/c he was so involved getting her case/ face out there in the public more recently, IMO).

 

[cherrymeg]

I think we dicyssed this way way back when? But I always question, what is hazel?
Ive always called brown & green eyes hazel while others state blue & green is hazel.
And now I see blue & brown eyes
Definitely a question worth review. Were the morgue photos in color? Seems like Carlk answered this question before and I would believe him based on him having access to several of those photos if I am not mistaken. (For his likeness of WCJD which a lot of us take as gospel b/c he was so involved getting her case/ face out there in the public more recently, IMO).

The Science of Hazel Eyes
This might explain Hazel eyes. I remember my cousin talking about how hazel was different than grey or green.

 

[cyberbunnie]

It is possible that our girl was Hispanic but with white characteristics?

 

[Fuuro]

It is possible that our girl was Hispanic but with white characteristics?

I won't be totally surprised if that turns out to be the case. She could be a "Guera" (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a slang term for a Hispanic female with very light hair). If her parents were undocumented, that could be a reason why nobody appears to have successfully reported her missing even though it looked like someone was taking care of her.

For what it's worth, there was a tip a few months back (if I recall correctly) from someone who claimed that WCJD looked like an old acquaintance named Nancy Villarreal; Villarreal is a very Hispanic surname.

 

[CarlK90245]

She could be a "Guera" (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a slang term for a Hispanic female with very light hair).

"Guero/Guera" is slang for a light complexioned person, regardless of race.

 

[MissInvizzible]

That is a good question. Hazel eyes can look different depending on what someone wears or the light, right? When they found her she had bruising that occured prior to her death. Sorry if this has been asked but how long would it take for bruises to appear?

I've been in fights as a teenager that left immediate bruising near the eye. I both gave them and received them. It depends how hard you are hit and where really. The face is probably quick in comparison to a bruise on a portion of the body that has less cushion..

 

[MissInvizzible]

The Science of Hazel Eyes
This might explain Hazel eyes. I remember my cousin talking about how hazel was different than grey or green.

Informative. Thank you..

 

[MissInvizzible]

Informative. Thank you..

My next thought would have to be,
What are the odds that the person doing the autopsy or made the police report documenting the actual eye color,
Would have been legitimately able to accurately describe what the scientists explain as the color hazel or the variations of it?

 

[MissTressNine]

The term “Hispanic” initially means “person born in Spanish speaking country”. Hispanic isn’t a race. She could possibly be Hispanic, aka White Hispanic, or maybe even a white Mexican.

Anyway, has anyone seen this video?

I haven’t seen some of those photos before! Also, the YouTuber states WCJD got into a station wagon with three males. I think that’s the first I heard of this. Wonder where she got that information?

 

[cherrymeg]

The term “Hispanic” initially means “person born in Spanish speaking country”. Hispanic isn’t a race. She could possibly be Hispanic, aka White Hispanic, or maybe even a white Mexican.

Anyway, has anyone seen this video?

I haven’t seen some of those photos before! Also, the YouTuber states WCJD got into a station wagon with three males. I think that’s the first I heard of this. Wonder where she got that information?

I thought she traveled with several guys but was last seen walking on the road. This video also says a waitress said she seemed able to pull a con or something like that. I don't remember hearing that. It's contradictory to people noticing how young she looked and their semi concern.

 

[cherrymeg]

I won't be totally surprised if that turns out to be the case. She could be a "Guera" (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's a slang term for a Hispanic female with very light hair). If her parents were undocumented, that could be a reason why nobody appears to have successfully reported her missing even though it looked like someone was taking care of her.

For what it's worth, there was a tip a few months back (if I recall correctly) from someone who claimed that WCJD looked like an old acquaintance named Nancy Villarreal; Villarreal is a very Hispanic surname.

It might not be about documentation as much as about people assuming that she isn't hispanic. When people are looking for matches they might be unintentionally ignoring hispanic last names.

 

[MissTressNine]

I thought she traveled with several guys but was last seen walking on the road. This video also says a waitress said she seemed able to pull a con or something like that. I don't remember hearing that. It's contradictory to people noticing how young she looked and their semi concern.

I’ve read about the con thing somewhere.
You are right, those people weren’t too concerned. It is strange! She looks no older than 15...
What exactly would one mean though by “she looks as if she could pull a con”? Street smart, confidence? Maybe I’m naive but she looks like an innocent young girl to me.
She could’ve been involved in something?

 

[MissInvizzible]

Do you think records were kept for part time employees? If you look back over people that would have worked in the area and check them against current criminal records, could that offer up new suspects? Is that even possible?

Thinking probably yes to a certain extent.
However I'm not sure if someone having a premeditated thought (if one existed) to harm the girl, would have been a legitimate employee or made record of her had they been. I did find a pretty neat pdf file that gave very good information about this particular prison and its documented MAJOR state employees but I feel like it was pretty limited as far as the smaller branches within or that would have been employed below such persons. Its certainly worth looking into.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I’ve read about the con thing somewhere.
You are right, those people weren’t too concerned. It is strange! She looks no older than 15...
What exactly would one mean though by “she looks as if she could pull a con”? Street smart, confidence? Maybe I’m naive but she looks like an innocent young girl to me.
She could’ve been involved in something?

the innocent look was the drawing. she may have been young but been through a lot / had to fend for herself. it lends to a hardness and non vulnerability.

 

[MissInvizzible]

I’ve read about the con thing somewhere.
You are right, those people weren’t too concerned. It is strange! She looks no older than 15...
What exactly would one mean though by “she looks as if she could pull a con”? Street smart, confidence? Maybe I’m naive but she looks like an innocent young girl to me.
She could’ve been involved in something?

Yes. I would think that is what that would mean most likely. Very able to run game on someone else who was not expecting such coming from a young lady. Which would immediately be, in my own personal opinion a great indication that she would have either grown up until that point having to find her own means of survival to live day to day, or that she would have possibly have been in a position where she had regular interaction with someone who did. Otherwise that person would have been inclined for that behavior just for the thrill of it.

I'm still incredibly curious about the niece of ottis toole who was "supposedly" killed by Henry lee lucas previously to said date. Yet it seems anything that he said should be taken only half seriously. It would be incredibly difficult to be fully sure that any story that he told to be the complete accurate truthful account. I have some suspicion that his assumed lies, included half or partial truths and that his assumed honest accounts included partial dishonesty. Look up the pictures of her. Also take note of the role she was playing in regard to ESPECIALLY the trucker's. And how they would drop her off and have her case businesses by asking directions etc.. also many unsuspecting people who felt inclined to assist a young lady in distress were to find themselves being surprised by other individual(s) upon agreeing to let her in or come to her aid.

The time lines 1.. could be argued most definitely. Yet I have not located any form of foolproof evidence that could not have been mistaken, not substantiated or even absentmindedly documented or assumed.
His account of what happened to her seemed like he would be only half honest. And to me the honest portion would have been the part where he seemed very much like a little child who was basically bad at keeping track and probably felt inclined to add detail that may have been irrelevant in order to seem more organized than he really was? He said after the initial statement that he murdered her...that he didnt really know and the last time he saw her she was looking at him out the window of a big rig and driving away.

Maybe the last time he really saw her was instead the result of a backfired plan to pull a con on someone dangerous. Even more so than he himself. I don't know. just something to ponder.

 

[MissInvizzible]

Yes. I would think that is what that would mean most likely. Very able to run game on someone else who was not expecting such coming from a young lady. Which would immediately be, in my own personal opinion a great indication that she would have either grown up until that point having to find her own means of survival to live day to day, or that she would have possibly have been in a position where she had regular interaction with someone who did. Otherwise that person would have been inclined for that behavior just for the thrill of it.

I'm still incredibly curious about the niece of ottis toole who was "supposedly" killed by Henry lee lucas previously to said date. Yet it seems anything that he said should be taken only half seriously. It would be incredibly difficult to be fully sure that any story that he told to be the complete accurate truthful account. I have some suspicion that his assumed lies, included half or partial truths and that his assumed honest accounts included partial dishonesty. Look up the pictures of her. Also take note of the role she was playing in regard to ESPECIALLY the trucker's. And how they would drop her off and have her case businesses by asking directions etc.. also many unsuspecting people who felt inclined to assist a young lady in distress were to find themselves being surprised by other individual(s) upon agreeing to let her in or come to her aid.

The time lines 1.. could be argued most definitely. Yet I have not located any form of foolproof evidence that could not have been mistaken, not substantiated or even absentmindedly documented or assumed.
His account of what happened to her seemed like he would be only half honest. And to me the honest portion would have been the part where he seemed very much like a little child who was basically bad at keeping track and probably felt inclined to add detail that may have been irrelevant in order to seem more organized than he really was? He said after the initial statement that he murdered her...that he didnt really know and the last time he saw her she was looking at him out the window of a big rig and driving away.

Maybe the last time he really saw her was instead the result of a backfired plan to pull a con on someone dangerous. Even more so than he himself. I don't know. just something to ponder.

They never actually did any real forensics on the pieces recovered that were supposed to have been her. and I read the coroner would not offer any guarantee that the body was indeed her own. only that it appeared to be a female and around the same age. It seems feasibly possible that body could have been a whole different girl that he would have known the location of to create a buffer to fill the inconsistency in his statement.