• #261
Wow Carl, she looks a lot like the UID.
Can you post a link to the Yearbook page?

If not, can you post the pics side by side?

I can be of any assistance in contacting classmates through email at Classmates.com etc... to try and ascertain her name, let me know. :)

I would be happy to help any way possible.
 
  • #262
She looks very close. I'd say it's definitely worth trying to contact Aransas Pass alumni to see if anybody knows who she is and whether she's still alive.
 
  • #263
  • #264
I located C.... A...... (who I mentioned in post #227 of this thread) in Facebook, and sent her a Facebook Private Message, which included the photo from the yearbook. Of all of the portraits in the yearbook, her freshman photo looks the most like the girl in the yearbook group photo, although I don't believe that she is that girl.

I briefly explained to her that I was trying to solve this 30-year old mystery, and asked her for her assistance.

I asked (1) if she recognized the girl in the yearbook photo, and if so, whether she has seen or heard from her since 1980 (or have reason to believe that she is still alive), and (2) if she recalls any of her female HS peers who might have had a boyfriend who was incarcerated, and has not been seen since 1980?
 
  • #265
Last night, I sent out four additional Facebook PM's to Aransas Pass HS alums, and this morning, one responded. She said that she recognizes the girl, and she is still alive today. She didn't indicate her name though.
 
  • #266
As a follow-up to my last message, here's a comparison between R...... B......... and WCJD.

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/20191/2853937590045078242S600x600Q85.jpg

If you can get your mind around the possibility that WCJD is Hispanic or Asian, R...... B......... could very well be WCJD. She has a similarly small chin, squarish jaws, curled lower lip, slightly upturned nostrils, and precisely the same hairstyle.

And she isn't listed in the Classmates alum listing, although the girl to her left in the yearbook with the same surname is listed.

ETA: there is a R...... B......... in Facebook who looks like an older version of the girl in the yearbook, and many of her facebook friends are from Houston. Although the name is somewhat uncommon, it is not extremely uncommon.

I looked up the girl next to R...... B......... with the same surname (G.......... B........), to see if I could find any indication that they were related. I found an online obituary for G.......... B........'s father, who passed away in 1999.

G.......... B........ and R...... B......... (with the same first name, but a different surname) are listed as a surviving daughters. They are in the same grade, so it looks like they are fraternal twins. They don't look alike.

So that settles the somewhat doubtful possibility that R...... B......... was WCJD.

BTW, I now know why C.... A...... did not reply to my FB private message. She is the girl in the group photo (according to the one woman who responded). It must be a bit unsettling to receive a FB PM from a stranger asking you if you are still alive. :blushing:

I thought they looked somewhat similar, but I didn't think they were the same person. :blushing:

ETA: I am removing C.... A...... and R...... B......... (and the side-by-side comparisons) from my Webshots account since they are no longer relevant to this case.
 
  • #267
Does anyone think this might be worth pursuing. I have always thought that Walker County Jane Doe had a unique nose - Jackie Kay Boyers nose struck me as looking unique in a similar way. I did not se her name on the rule out list.
Jackie Kay Boyer-
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boyer_jackie.html

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: May 21, 1980 from Windsor, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date of Birth: May 7, 1968
Age: 12 years old
Height and Weight: 5'0, 90 pounds (her Doenetwork file indicates that these are estimates)
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Boyer has a small scar on the inside of her right forearm.


Details of Disappearance

Boyer was last seen at her home in Windsor, California on May 21, 1980. She has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case.
 
  • #268
I think she looks very similar, esp the noses like you mentioned. I'm not as good at this as I'd like to be, so I'm interested in hearing some other opinions. Good find! :)
 
  • #269
Does anyone think this might be worth pursuing. I have always thought that Walker County Jane Doe had a unique nose - Jackie Kay Boyers nose struck me as looking unique in a similar way. I did not se her name on the rule out list.
Jackie Kay Boyer-
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boyer_jackie.html

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: May 21, 1980 from Windsor, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date of Birth: May 7, 1968
Age: 12 years old
Height and Weight: 5'0, 90 pounds (her Doenetwork file indicates that these are estimates)
Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Boyer has a small scar on the inside of her right forearm.


Details of Disappearance

Boyer was last seen at her home in Windsor, California on May 21, 1980. She has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case.

WCJD was the first UID that came to my mind when Jackie Boyers' casefile was added to DoeNet.

I'm not sure why I passed on this possible match. Perhaps it was her age, or perhaps it was the difference in eyebrows (neither of which are solid reasons to rule her out).

But looking back, I see something interesting. Back in Post #163 of this thread, Mia G mentions the following

... As far as [Lt. Perkins] can tell from crime scene photos WCJD only had one scar and it was at the right eye brow..he said he had heard there were reports of one on the elbow, but he can not see that in the pictures ...

BBM

Jackie Boyers has a scar on the "inside of her right forearm". I don't see a scar on the outside edge of her right eyebrow, but she could have received that scar after the photo was taken.
 
  • #270
WCJD was the first UID that came to my mind when Jackie Boyers' casefile was added to DoeNet.

I'm not sure why I passed on this possible match. Perhaps it was her age, or perhaps it was the difference in eyebrows (neither of which are solid reasons to rule her out).

But looking back, I see something interesting. Back in Post #163 of this thread, Mia G mentions the following


BBM

Jackie Boyers has a scar on the "inside of her right forearm". I don't see a scar on the outside edge of her right eyebrow, but she could have received that scar after the photo was taken.

I submitted Jackie Kay Boyer as a posisble match to Lt. Perkins via email today. Carl, thank you for pointing out that Walker County Jane Doe may have had a scar on her arm. I included that in my message. I will post an update when I hear back from him.
 
  • #271
I've driven through this area, and it's a little out there. I wouldn't doubt she was out there trying to visit an inmate. I haven't read through all the pages here, but did the police ever question the inmates at the prison?

Was it possible she had a pen pal inmate? Maybe if she did the person she was writing to wasn't willing to speak up and say they were writing back and forth after discovering she was a young woman. Maybe he knew, but sisn't want to get in trouble or be seen as part of the murder.

Just ideas.
 
  • #272
I haven't read through all the pages here, but did the police ever question the inmates at the prison?

Was it possible she had a pen pal inmate? Maybe if she did the person she was writing to wasn't willing to speak up and say they were writing back and forth after discovering she was a young woman. Maybe he knew, but sisn't want to get in trouble or be seen as part of the murder.

Just ideas.

Authorities questioned every inmate at the prison and nobody admitted to have known her.
 
  • #273
If she did have a pen pal in the prison they might not have known what she looked like if she never sent a picture. I've also been thinking that depending how long an inmmate was behind bars if they did know her when she was a child or baby they might not recognize her at that age. One final theory is that she could have even been a child of inmmate that they did not even know they had. There are a ton of ways she could be connected to an inmmate without them being able to indentify her.
 
  • #274
I submitted Jackie Kay Boyer as a posisble match to Lt. Perkins via email today. Carl, thank you for pointing out that Walker County Jane Doe may have had a scar on her arm. I included that in my message. I will post an update when I hear back from him.

I got a reply today from Deborrah Pinto, PhD Forensic Anthropologist. Dr. Love forwarded her my email. Jackie Kay Boyer has been EXCLUDED as a possible match to Walker County Jane Doe "based on age related dental eruption patterns and the absence of a scar on the arm"

:( I would really love to see this beautiful young girl identified.
 
  • #275
I havent forgot you WCJD been busy but you are never far form my thoughts
 
  • #276
  • #277
There's a new postmortem photo of WCJD in NamUs.

WARNING POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK
https://identifyus.org/cases/4630

She looks amazingly different in this photo than she does in the other photos available of her, and nothing like any of the facial reconstructions available (including mine).

I now see the slightly Hispanic appearance that Lt. Perkins described to Mia. Actually, IMO, she looks like she may have some Native American ancestry.

Looks like I'm going to have to do a major revision to my facial reconstruction.
 
  • #278
I'm glad they are taking our inquiries seriously and the new image certainly will help. having said all that, you would think that if they took the effort to show her picture to everyone at the prison, they would have gone to Aransas Pass and done the same thing with people at the school and around town.

I took a look at google maps and I see that Corpus Christi is a much larger city very close to Aransas Pass. it is always possible that the girl gave the wrong town, just to provide an answer to the friendly inquiry. I would assume that if the woman who asked where she was from was skeptical about the girl's stated age she would have recognized an accent, meaning that she probably was from TX as the accent would have completely given her away if she was from elsewhere.
 
  • #279
There's a new postmortem photo of WCJD in NamUs.

WARNING POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK
https://identifyus.org/cases/4630

She looks amazingly different in this photo than she does in the other photos available of her, and nothing like any of the facial reconstructions available (including mine).

I now see the slightly Hispanic appearance that Lt. Perkins described to Mia. Actually, IMO, she looks like she may have some Native American ancestry.

Looks like I'm going to have to do a major revision to my facial reconstruction.

Great find, CarlK! Whenever I see one of your posts come up, I just have to see what you've found or done.

Where are the rule outs for this Jane Doe? Was Tina Faye Kemp ruled out?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html

Or Melinda Creech, who is hispanic?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/creech_melinda.html
 
  • #280
Where are the rule outs for this Jane Doe? Was Tina Faye Kemp ruled out?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html

Or Melinda Creech, who is hispanic?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/creech_melinda.html

Here they are.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ruled Out Unidentified Victims Rule Outs


I was looking very close at Tina Kemp after seeing the photo. She has a very similar facial structure, and all the vital stats are good. AFAIK, she hasn't been ruled out. I would say it's probably not her, but she should be looked at anyway.

Melinda Creech has been on their list for a long time, and has never been ruled out. I believe that they don't have any good identifiers on her.
 

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