TX TX - Iola, near Bull Creek Bridge, WhtFem 13-19, UP4611, 1904 coin ring, mechanic's cloth, Oct'81

[Cubby]

Thank you A4A. I believe the ring found on the UID would be key. Also, they say she had 14 fillings and the missing had little dental work.

I had the same thoughts. The ring is very unique, looks like a coin made into a ring. The dentals sounds pretty different imo.

 

[future criminologist]

This woman's hair color is slightly off, but the description said she has "several fillings".

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/minchaca_connie.html

 

[carbuff]

She's now Doe case 543uftx (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/543uftx.html) and in NAMUS (https://identifyus.org/cases/4611)).

The Doe network page includes a photo of the ring.

NAMUS indicates she could have died as early as 1976.

 

[Donjeta]

https://identifyus.org/cases/4611

Barbara Monaco is the only one currently listed in the ruleouts.

 

[webrocket]

if I understand the idea behind these "possible match" threads, the discussion is supposed to be focused on the possible match only. so I will only say that the suggested match in Lisa Renee Wilson (in my opinion) is probably not the UID. Lisa had "very few restorations" while the UID had extensive dental work done.

it is one thing to keep an abducted child alive for a few years, but I can't imagine that an abductor would take his captive for repeated dental work.

 

[starburst]

Unless he was a dentist. Stranger things have happened.

 

[webrocket]

there is only one rule-out at Namus, that being Barbara Monaco.

here is a possible match, April Zane. Date lka is iffy, either 1976 or 1977. April was about 5'5", dark auburn hair, and weighed between 115-120 lbs.

April had a history or running away so the distance between IL and TX is not a big deal if she was moving around.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zane_april.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1689/1/

I can't do the side-by-sides, but the face on Doe for the UID is shaped similarly to April's.

ETA: I should have added April's age. she was 17 in 1977.

 

[Cubby]

I don't know how accurate noses are on recons, but Aprils nose appears wider to me than the nose on the UID, which appears very narrow.

 

[CarlK90245]

I don't know how accurate noses are on recons, but Aprils nose appears wider to me than the nose on the UID, which appears very narrow.

A good forensic artist should be able to determine with reasonable accuracy the width of a person's nose at its base, even if from only a skull. The width of the nasal aperture (i.e., the upside-down-heart-shaped hole in the skull) will indicate the width of the person's nose at its base.

But the artist won't be able to tell the width of the nose at the tip, although you can tell whether the nose turns up or down.

 

[CCD]

Would April's 'exceptionally long back' factor in at some point? I'm just wondering what they mean by that. Did she have extra vertebrae? Also, because both the Doe and April have DNA entered on NAMUS, does that mean they have been compared? I'm not sure how NAMUS works that way...

 

[webrocket]

April's DNA says test complete. I don't know if that means the results are in Codis.

 

[Houston Mom]

New on NamUs Mary Robinson, 23 year old, auburn hair, 62" and 115 lbs. She went missing from New York in June of 1976. No picture. Hmmmm.....

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26000/13?current_page=case_information

 

[CarlK90245]

New on NamUs Mary Robinson, 23 year old, auburn hair, 62" and 115 lbs. She went missing from New York in June of 1976. No picture. Hmmmm.....

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26000/13?current_page=case_information

Here's the story on Mary C Robinson.

http://www.leagle.com/decision/198261757NY2d560_1570.xml/PEOPLE v. LIPSKY

 

[carbuff]

Interesting reading. Thanks, Carl.

 

[Houston Mom]

Oh my Carlk90245!! I sounds like Mary deserves her own thread. Do we have any UID's found in New York State that fit her description? Lipsky, the confessed murderer states when

"Asked what he had done with the body, defendant said he had placed it in the
trunk of his car and driven three hours to a point south of Rochester, where he dumped the body down a gully."

 

[carbuff]

Oh my Carlk90245!! I sounds like Mary deserves her own thread. Do we have any UID's found in New York State that fit her description? Lipsky, the confessed murderer states when

"Asked what he had done with the body, defendant said he had placed it in the
trunk of his car and driven three hours to a point south of Rochester, where he dumped the body down a gully."

Yes, Mary needs her own thread. I couldn't find one last night but it's hard searching from my phone

Three hours south of Rochester likely took him into northern PA. Depending on which route he took, he could have gone as far south as Williamsport or St. Mary's: https://goo.gl/maps/x77EB But that's only an approximation because the roads were different then.

 

[carbuff]

Another summary of the case from a different appeal court: http://www.leagle.com/decision/198112684AD2d42_1120.xml/PEOPLE v. LIPSKY

 

[CarlK90245]

Oh my Carlk90245!! I sounds like Mary deserves her own thread. Do we have any UID's found in New York State that fit her description? Lipsky, the confessed murderer states when

"Asked what he had done with the body, defendant said he had placed it in the
trunk of his car and driven three hours to a point south of Rochester, where he dumped the body down a gully."

fftopic:
This Jane Doe immediately came to mind because Irondequoit is in the Rochester area.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/122ufny.html

But then, the story about driving 3 hours south would have been a lie.


... and this Jane Doe was found about 4½ hours south of Rochester, dumped in a gully.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/11ufpa.html

But the PM interval is too short, and her clothes are completely different from what Mary Robinson was said to have been wearing.

 

[hayaletcatcher]

Carlene Brown 1955 Wyoming
Kathryn Collins 1957 Texas

Have been added to the ruleout list
https://identifyus.org/cases/4611

 

[theshadow45]

Mary Robinson's thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?255997-NY-Mary-Robinson-23-Rochester-10-June-1976.