TX TX - Irving, WhtMale 20-39, 476UMTX, Dismembered; in 7 plastic bags, Dec'02

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I'm pretty amature at this, so I was hoping to get some other opinions about these cases.

Doe Network lists the cause of death as Homicide- Dismemberment. Does this mean he was dismembered alive? or does it mean he was dismembered after he was killed? Anyway about it- pretty extreme (they even removed his organs and put them in a different bag).

Mr. Lee was involved with the manufacture and distribution of meth- he had recently been sentenced to a year in prison for distribution and manufacture of meth. Perhaps someone was afraid he was going to talk.

Please take a look and tell me what you think- Thanks!

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/476umtx.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lee_ken.html
 

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Its possible. The UID had no facial features - so the sketch artist didn't have much to go on. The pictures are similar - the ears don't match and the lips are different but the chin and eyebrow ridges are strong in both men. I would think (I'm not sure) that the sketch artist would be pretty accurate when it came to bone structure, even without facial features.

The timing is also consistent - missing 10/2002 and found 12/2002. Different states but that could have been done on purpose. Obviously, the perp did not want the UID identified - so take him a long way away and remove his facial features and dismember him and it would be pretty darn hard to ID him.

I think it is a stong possibility.

Salem
 
  • #3
the very deliberate and excessive dismemberment also strikes me as drug/organized crime related. The dates are close and the UID looks similar enough to warrant submission to both police depts.
 
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I think there is a simple question to be asked of the LE handling Mr. Lee's case-was he circumcised? Because the Doe was not, so if Mr. Lee was then he is automatically ruled out....
 
  • #6
Many thanks to Believe- Mr. Lee (per sheriff) is circumcised.
 
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Yes, it was worth a try and now we know that Mr. Lee is ruled out. Ruling out is as important as ruling in.

Thanks Snufamonbobball and thank you Believe!

Salem
 
  • #9
Just want to say "good work" to everyone on this - clearly it is a rule out but I'm actually slightly surprised that it's not a match as the two matched so well otherwise, despite the distance.
 
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I don't know if Hispanic v. Caucasian was a distinction made at the time (2002), but the description on Doe Network sounds very much like a Hispanic male: light brown skin, black hair, uncircumcised, found with shopping bags from Latin stores (Carnival Food Store, Fiesta Food Store). While that could certainly also fit the description of a white guy, I don't think that it would be good to eliminate Hispanic/Latino missing persons for this UID.

One possibility: Jorge Galvan, missing from Houston, TX on 11/27/2012. 35 years old, 5'7", black hair, light brown skin, Hispanic/White. Last seen leaving with a work client.

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  • #12
Bumping.

One thing that strikes me - the description of him sounds very much like that of a Hispanic male, yet NamUs, Doenet, and the Texas DPS all list him as white.
 
  • #13
Still only the one ruleout in this case. @othram your neck of the woods; this one may be interesting!
 
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