TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #2

[sundaaaay]

IMO, there's probably not a reasonable explanation (for the untrained) why JL took his backpack only to discard it 100 feet from the crash site. I think it was just an impulse that he grabbed the pack. What I do know from a family member that works as a helicopter medic is to expect the unexpected from crash survivors in shock or concussed. I've heard of victims gathering their strewn groceries while a loved one is trapped in the vehicle --and no memory having done so. A most common story is that nearly all victims begin removing their clothing (before their body temp stabilizes), and are desperate for water more than anything. Both actions are very dangerous leading to hypothermia and probably why so many accident victims are found in water far from the crash scene. Similarly, injured animals are often found in water. MOO

Interesting, a young boy named Noah Donohoe went missing in Belfast Ireland under similar circumstances. He was riding a bike and authorities believe he fell off and banged his head. He took off all his clothing and ended up in a storm drain. Unfortunately I see water possibly playing a part in this case too.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree with you in regards to the dad's statement. I understand almost all parents want to believe their child is alive no matter what....but the way he worded things left me with the impression that they believe there is a possibility he is truly alive and out there.

Thanks for checking it out.
Yeah, I thought it might have extended beyond the wishful thinking paradigm.

 

[Mary Ingalls]

Interesting, a young boy named Noah Donohoe went missing in Belfast Ireland under similar circumstances. He was riding a bike and authorities believe he fell off and banged his head. He took off all his clothing and ended up in a storm drain. Unfortunately I see water possibly playing a part in this case too.

I just listened to a podcast about this today. You are right about the similarities

 

[Seattle1]

I just listened to a podcast about this today. You are right about the similarities

I think it's more common than people realize. I can think of two recent cases of car crashes where the male victims walked away (leaving clothing behind) only to be found a week to a month later in water -- some distance from their abandoned vehicles.

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[sundaaaay]

There’s also one or two other high profile cases of people who crashed cars and subsequently went missing. Patricia Meehan and Maria Murray are two such examples- It seems to often develop into a mystery because they can cover fairly large distances and enter water which makes the search difficult. Also if clothing is found it could be assumed it was a sexual assault.

 

[Ebony526]

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Thanks for pointing that out!

And one of your posts where you describe Salt Flat Road is shown towards the end.

 

[Lulingresident6]

And one of your posts where you describe Salt Flat Road is shown towards the end.

I hadn't seen that either. Thanks. I drove by there tonight on my way home. I noticed this time that there are a lot of lights around the different oil storage facilities, so if he was disoriented I could see him walking down the road and mistaking that for a house. They put a fresh layer of dirt and gravel on part of SFR today including in front of the accident site and the abandoned houses....wish that would have been done right before the accident because there would have been tracks if someone walked in the road.

 

[Rosiebones]

I hadn't seen that either. Thanks. I drove by there tonight on my way home. I noticed this time that there are a lot of lights around the different oil storage facilities, so if he was disoriented I could see him walking down the road and mistaking that for a house. They put a fresh layer of dirt and gravel on part of SFR today including in front of the accident site and the abandoned houses....wish that would have been done right before the accident because there would have been tracks if someone walked in the road.

It is a good thing to have your first hand report of late night lights and possibilities of his moving toward them after the accident. That all makes sense. I just can't reconcile those facts with the fact that he was tracked back down the road and then the trail abruptly goes cold, and more than one dog said so.

 

[sundaaaay]

It is a good thing to have your first hand report of late night lights and possibilities of his moving toward them after the accident. That all makes sense. I just can't reconcile those facts with the fact that he was tracked back down the road and then the trail abruptly goes cold, and more than one dog said so.

Does the scent go cold at the pond? He may have entered the pond and got out and moved on elsewhere which could explain why the dogs can’t pick up a new scent from that point.

 

[Rosiebones]

Does the scent go cold at the pond? He may have entered the pond and got out and moved on elsewhere which could explain why the dogs can’t pick up a new scent from that point.

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Dogs tracked a scent indicating Jason was walking back toward Luling. After about a quarter of a mile, the trail disappeared.
This is the source of my comment of his being tracked back down the road. I know it was reported in other sources too. It led to speculation that he might have been picked up.

 

[allboys]

Does the scent go cold at the pond? He may have entered the pond and got out and moved on elsewhere which could explain why the dogs can’t pick up a new scent from that point.

I thought I remember reading the scent was tracked from the abandoned house to the pond. Does anyone else remember that?

 

[Rosiebones]

I thought I remember reading the scent was tracked from the abandoned house to the pond. Does anyone else remember that?

Yes, I remember reading that. The dogs tracked from the abandoned house to the pond. That is why the pond was drained and searched, but he was not found.

 

[renarde]

I thought I remember reading the scent was tracked from the abandoned house to the pond. Does anyone else remember that?

Yes, I remember that, but I always wondered which house, and which pond.

 

[Seattle1]

I thought I remember reading the scent was tracked from the abandoned house to the pond. Does anyone else remember that?

I believe dogs were able to confirm with reasonable certainty that JL left the crash scene and was headed in the direction of Luling. The abandoned house is located right off the road, and I recall from officials that JL's scent at the abandoned house was not so clear as well as where his scent on the roadway lost except that it was in the same approximate area.

Many things can account for the loss of JL's scent on the road including other animals walking the road after JL was there as well as passing traffic on the dirt road, rain, etc.

Reportedly, all the dogs indicated with JL hits around the pond and why authorities were inclined to call in the fire dept to drain the pond (where no body was located or recovered).

In other words, I don't think it's correct to assume dogs were able to track JL on an exact path from the crash site to the pond. That's really not how SAR dogs work and best explained by SAR dog experts.

MOO

 

[sundaaaay]

I believe dogs were able to confirm with reasonable certainty that JL left the crash scene and was headed in the direction of Luling. The abandoned house is located right off the road, and I recall from officials that JL's scent at the abandoned house was not so clear as well as where his scent on the roadway lost except that it was in the same approximate area.

Many things can account for the loss of JL's scent on the road including other animals walking the road after JL was there as well as passing traffic on the dirt road, rain, etc.

Reportedly, all the dogs indicated with JL hits around the pond and why authorities were inclined to call in the fire dept to drain the pond (where no body was located or recovered).

In other words, I don't think it's correct to assume dogs were able to track JL on an exact path from the crash site to the pond. That's really not how SAR dogs work and best explained by SAR experts.

MOO

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Maplesyrup]

It is a good thing to have your first hand report of late night lights and possibilities of his moving toward them after the accident. That all makes sense. I just can't reconcile those facts with the fact that he was tracked back down the road and then the trail abruptly goes cold, and more than one dog said so.

The simple, most logical explanation is that someone picked him up. Now the reason behind how or why he was picked up, I don't know.

 

[cluciano63]

I thought I read that they were as certain as they can be that he is not in the pond...but that sounds like there is a slim chance he could be?

It would make the most sense, unfortunately.

 

[Lulingresident6]

I thought I read that they were as certain as they can be that he is not in the pond...but that sounds like there is a slim chance he could be?

It would make the most sense, unfortunately.

They drained the pond and didn't find anything.

 

[Lulingresident6]

The simple, most logical explanation is that someone picked him up. Now the reason behind how or why he was picked up, I don't know.

So the issue I have with this is that even during the day there is not a ton of traffic on this road. The few times I've driven down it at night lately I haven't seen any other cars at all. I'm still shocked that someone saw the car when they did at 12:30 in the morning. I bet that I could go sit out there right now until after 1 a.m. and I wouldn't see more than 2-3 cars, if that. Makes me think that if he was picked up it was either someone he knew and he intended to disappear or he was chased out there and wrecked and someone took him.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

So the issue I have with this is that even during the day there is not a ton of traffic on this road. The few times I've driven down it at night lately I haven't seen any other cars at all. I'm still shocked that someone saw the car when they did at 12:30 in the morning. I bet that I could go sit out there right now until after 1 a.m. and I wouldn't see more than 2-3 cars, if that. Makes me think that if he was picked up it was either someone he knew and he intended to disappear or he was chased out there and wrecked and someone took him.

Well, we know one car passed before he crashed and another reported after if I remember right. That’s 3 cars on this road all after 11 pm I presume. With that rate of traffic, there was likely at least 1 more.

And somebody owned that house. Somebody owned that Land. Somebody could’ve been out hunting. Someone could’ve used that house as a party pad, man cave, hunting cabin, etc.

I also think back to unfortunately following the Sydney Sutherland case. There was no evidence that she was hit in the roadway, but there is a real possibility she was disabled that way.

If Jason isn’t waiting to be found dead of natural causes or as a result of the wreck, then location of the backpack in the street worries me that he could’ve been hit by someone who disposed of his body. Really really far fetched I suppose. There was no blood found in the roadway of Jason’s but Sydney’s case proved to me there doesn’t have to be. Is there someone local that would have reason to be down that road that night? What was the reason the other two vehicles were headed down that road? Any event or party that a few people were at? How would LE handle questioning locals about whether they were nearby? To me, it does not sound like they believe anything other than he walked away and would not question anyone, even anyone that might refuse entrance to their land or property.

There is also the scenario that it was never him driving the car. Surely to goodness that’s been verified somehow.

So much does not make sense to me.

If we have to explain that he was injured and that is why he dropped his backpack in the road or confused and locked his keys in car then we can’t reconcile the statement made by LE saying he was not injured.

Wonder if the bag /bottle of narcotics was checked for fingerprints?