TX - Jesus Mora Flores, 47, caught molesting child, beaten to death, 2012

[jjenny]

This was in a rural area. I don't know how long it takes for police to get there, but probably a while.

 

[HMSHood]

Catching up after being away for the weekend.

I'm always totally shocked when those who hurt and abuse children are defended by some here at WS.

It makes me sad.

To say sexual abuse to a child is like a game is totally sick IMO.

Whether you agree with this Father's actions or not is totally acceptable and your opinion.

But to defend a molester here is not acceptable IMO.

This is a victim friendly crime forum.

Now that I'm caught up with this thread, I will step away for a little bit.
I'm flabbergasted to be honest.

Never understood those kind of people.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2012/jun/18/sl_homicide_presser_061912_179826/?counties

Lavaca County District Attorney Heather McMinn and Sheriff Micah Harmon have called a news conference for 3:30 p.m. Tuesday to discuss the beating death homicide that took place on June 9 near Shiner.

bbm

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/19/texas-beating-death-girl-alleged-molester-is-ruled-homicide/
The beating death of a Texas man who was allegedly sexually assaulting a 5-year-girl will be treated as a homicide investigation, the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

 

[Woodland]

That's a shame - I don't think the father should have to go through this at all. I hope the Grand Jury agrees.

 

[jjenny]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/19/texas-beating-death-girl-alleged-molester-is-ruled-homicide/
The beating death of a Texas man who was allegedly sexually assaulting a 5-year-girl will be treated as a homicide investigation, the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

They have been saying that from the start.

 

[alsmom]

No charges according to this.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Dad-won-t-face-charges-in-alleged-attacker-s-death-3645751.php

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No charges according to this.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/ar...arges-in-alleged-attacker-s-death-3645751.php

From your link:

A Lavaca County grand jury on Tuesday declined to indict the 23 year old father in the death of Jesus Mora Flores.

:woohoo:


Also snipped from your link:

The girl was taken to a hospital and examined, and authorities say forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

*so forensic evidence corroborated the story.
No doubt this was justifiable.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The father was panicked on the 911 call and told the dispatcher he was about to put the man in his truck to bring him to the hospital.

This father in NO WAY wanted this molester to die.

IMO the father is a good man who was forced to inflict injuries to a monster who was hurting his baby.

 

[not_my_kids]

Of course it will be treated as a homicide, because according to the law, it is. What the law would need to determine is if it were justifiable homicide, which doesn't carry charges, or is it was malicious homicide, which would bring charges.

Seems that they seem to feel it is justifiable.

 

[TorisMom003]

No, the memory a 4 year old will have of the incident is one of violence and blood. That is not something a 4 year old typically would have any comprehension or experience of, and it is going to leave a huge psychological scar. It will be similar to what kids experience when caught up in war, they would not see it the same way you would. Whatever the molester was doing will pale in comparison to that, because what he was doing would not have involved extreme violence, to a 4 year old it would have been unusual behaviour, maybe scary, since they wouldn't have understood it. Beating someone to a pulp, that they would understand.

Bolded by me.

I'm sorry, but really? A 4 year old will not be afraid of a grown a$$ man that she does not really know take her away from her family, undress her and begin to rape her? Really? RAPE HER. You get that part, right? FOUR years old. You also do realize that a four year old little girl is going to be seriously injured when a grown a$$ man forcefully shoves his penis into her, right? Do you not think that there is going to be unimaginable pain and blood? Sorry, but this kind of thinking completely blows my mind.

For someone to think that because this dad protected his daughter from a rapist that he will again go berserk on one of his other kids that refuse to take out the trash.........that kind of thinking is just one of the reasons why our world is so screwed up to begin with. Let's just give the child killers, the rapists, the real sickos a 10th, 15th, hell why not even an 100th chance. Maybe next time they won't get caught. Maybe next time one of them will come after you or your family. Personally, I refuse to take that chance and I refuse to defend them. But then again I love my family above all else and will do EVERYTHING in my power to protect them!

MOO

 

[jjenny]

I knew grand jury wasn't going to indict him. This is TX, after all.

 

[Flutterby80]

"The father has gone through enough," said Allen, 59, who has nine grandchildren. "The little girl is going to be traumatized for life, and the father, too, for what happened. He was protecting his family. Any parent would do that."

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/ar...ed-attacker-s-death-3645751.php#ixzz1yIJm9Vcq

BBM...If only this were true.

Shiner, a town of about 2,000 people about 80 miles east of San Antonio, revolves around the Spoetzl Brewery that makes Shiner, one of the nation's best-selling independent beers. Even gas stations here sell it on tap.

Really? How does that work? You drive up for some gas and a glass of beer and then drive away? That would never fly in Michigan!

 

[FrayedKnot]

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/ar...ed-attacker-s-death-3645751.php#ixzz1yIJm9Vcq

BBM...If only this were true.



Really? How does that work? You drive up for some gas and a glass of beer and then drive away? That would never fly in Michigan!

I'm not sure about TX law but I THINK open container laws only apply to the driver of the vehicle.

I live in LA, and we have a plethora of drive-thru daiquiri stands. But see, they put a piece of Scotch tape over the little x hole in the to-go-cup lid, so it is legally not an open container. What you choose to do with your straw and that pesky tape is your business.

Remember also that TX doesn't have helmet laws, either.

 

[Flutterby80]

I'm not sure about TX law but I THINK open container laws only apply to the driver of the vehicle.

I live in LA, and we have a plethora of drive-thru daiquiri stands. But see, they put a piece of Scotch tape over the little x hole in the to-go-cup lid, so it is legally not an open container. What you choose to do with your straw and that pesky tape is your business.

Remember also that TX doesn't have helmet laws, either.

Wow. Interesting. I do know that Florida used to have drive-through liquor stores. In Michigan, if you get pulled over for whatever reason and there are bags of empties in the backseat (10 cents each deposit here) they can get you for open container. You are supposed to have them secured in the trunk of your car or the bed of your truck. Also, try to walk out of a bar with an open beer and the bartender will chase you down and stop you from leaving. Open anything is a very big no-no.

 

[neesaki]

Wow. Interesting. I do know that Florida used to have drive-through liquor stores. In Michigan, if you get pulled over for whatever reason and there are bags of empties in the backseat (10 cents each deposit here) they can get you for open container. You are supposed to have them secured in the trunk of your car or the bed of your truck. Also, try to walk out of a bar with an open beer and the bartender will chase you down and stop you from leaving. Open anything is a very big no-no.

I'm not sure what the law is specifically, though I think it can vary depending on the wet versus dry areas. For instance, a town 45 minutes from mine which is wet, has drive through's where you can buy frozen daquiris, etc. to take home with you. They have some kind of seal on them though. My educated guess is that it's the same with the beer on tap. Probably has to have some kind of special seal, designed to drink it after you get to your home or wherever you're going that is legal to imbibe. Texas is, imo, one of the harder states concerning drinking and alcohol. Very, very tough on dui's. Actually compared to other much more violent crimes, goes overboard, imo.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Wow. Interesting. I do know that Florida used to have drive-through liquor stores. In Michigan, if you get pulled over for whatever reason and there are bags of empties in the backseat (10 cents each deposit here) they can get you for open container. You are supposed to have them secured in the trunk of your car or the bed of your truck. Also, try to walk out of a bar with an open beer and the bartender will chase you down and stop you from leaving. Open anything is a very big no-no.

I grew up in FL and remember well Beverage Barns, lol. But they sold just what you would get at the convenience or liquor stores, not prepared drinks or draught beer. So you still couldn't have an open container in the car.

I do think, like you were saying, even empties had to be in a locked trunk.

Sorry for the OT. I have lived in LA for 4 years now and the drive thru cocktails still freak me out! Lol

 

[ConfusedPopsicle]

I'm not sure about TX law but I THINK open container laws only apply to the driver of the vehicle.

I live in LA, and we have a plethora of drive-thru daiquiri stands. But see, they put a piece of Scotch tape over the little x hole in the to-go-cup lid, so it is legally not an open container. What you choose to do with your straw and that pesky tape is your business.

Remember also that TX doesn't have helmet laws, either.

I moved to east TX 11 yrs ago from Seattle, the open container law back then did only apply to the driver and I was shocked to see people hopping into cars and trucks with open beers! I think the laws have changed now though, although there is drive through daquiri stands and drive through liquor stores. The tape on the x in the lid at the daquiri stands always makes me laugh. One time, my husband and I decided we wanted a screwdriver that weekend (we aren't drinkers anymore lol) so I went to the drive through and ordered a small bottle of vodka and a small bottle of oj. The woman working the window handed me a glass of ice and a straw with my order!

 

[Trident]

How did this thread turn into a discussion on drive though alcohol sales? What did I miss?

 

[blah956]

http://now.msn.com/now/0619-dad-killed-abuser-not-charged.aspx

Now police have announced their verdict: The father won't be charged. "He was just protecting his daughter and doing what he thought he had to do to protect his daughter," said Sheriff Micah Harmon from the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, adding that he believes the father is remorseful for his actions. Harmon concluded that the incident had been "traumatizing" for the girl and her family -- something everyone is sure to agree on.