TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - #10

[believe09]

Interesting perspective regarding the odor-so might there have been more than one crime scene?

 

[lynnb]

You would definitely smell burnt flesh. Hair is really bad and has a very distinctive odor but I've heard burnt flesh is really bad. Are you thinking what I have been wondering? Neighbors, etc, should have smelled that. Her sister was there on X_mas day I thought so you'd think the odor would still be there.

I think Mona actually went to the sisters for Christmas. I don't think we've heard from anyone who was in her apartment.
But what strikes me as odd is in the reports I've seen, the police say there was an odor around the area of the burnt rug. I would think there would have been an odor around the whole apartment. A very noticeable odor. I would have expected LE to say more along the lines of "as soon as we entered her home there was an overpowering odor"

 

[Lera213]

I don't know but I would think the temp. would be a factor in odor too?

 

[MBLover]

Actually this was MBLover's "excellent thought" and I totally agree. Thanks.

Actually I think it was a combo of both our thoughts. I put out something and you had an excellent take on it!

Thanks Strawberry! You're a gem!

 

[rotterdam]

You would definitely smell burnt flesh. Hair is really bad and has a very distinctive odor but I've heard burnt flesh is really bad. Are you thinking what I have been wondering? Neighbors, etc, should have smelled that. Her sister was there on X_mas day I thought so you'd think the odor would still be there.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Mona was at her sisters for Christmas in 2009.

 

[lynnb]

for those of you with knowledge about welding......
what would happen if you tried to use the equipment(to burn anything for a period of time) in a small area, such as a living room or kitchen of an apartment? Would the place need to be ventilated? would carbon monoxide fill the room? Would any kind of soot gather on your windowpanes? What kind of destruction would it to a room, if any?

 

[strach304]

Interesting perspective regarding the odor-so might there have been more than one crime scene?

Probably not. Possibly close neighbors did smell it but didn't know what they were smelling. Awful odor for sure but how many people are really going to recognize that smell?

 

[Lera213]

maybe she has a kill room all set up to use her welding equipment and maybe other non nefarious welding.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I think Mona actually went to the sisters for Christmas. I don't think we've heard from anyone who was in her apartment.
But what strikes me as odd is in the reports I've seen, the police say there was an odor around the area of the burnt rug. I would think there would have been an odor around the whole apartment. A very noticeable odor. I would have expected LE to say more along the lines of "as soon as we entered her home there was an overpowering odor"

Warning: May be graphic
I wondered about that too. But LE entered her house 4 days after Jonathan was killed. His body was disposed of right away so there would be no smell of decomposition. With a lot of ventilation and Lysol could the burnt flesh odor be eliminated in 4 days? I'm thinking maybe it could.

 

[Lera213]

Warning: May be graphic
I wondered about that too. But LE entered her house 4 days after Jonathan was killed. His body was disposed of right away so there would be no smell of decomposition. With a lot of ventilation and Lysol could the burnt flesh odor be eliminated in 4 days? I'm thinking maybe it could.

not sure, but I don't have anything to go off on but this:

Once we were going out of town for a week. My X husband had this idea to save money on electric bill and he hit the main to switch off all power to the apartment. I had just gone food shopping and freezer and frig was full. When we came home, you could smell it standing at the door. I couldn't enter the house at all. It took 4 fans, every window in the house open with fans blowing outward, he had to empty the frig, it was awful and the smell remained for days afterwards.

Maybe this is why the police were shown standing at the door way a lot because of the smell was bad?

 

[believe09]

Does anyone know if the trash can was metal or plastic?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Warning: May be graphic
I wondered about that too. But LE entered her house 4 days after Jonathan was killed. His body was disposed of right away so there would be no smell of decomposition. With a lot of ventilation and Lysol could the burnt flesh odor be eliminated in 4 days? I'm thinking maybe it could.

Way back in the 70s I was actually a receptionist in an ER. The very worst thing that ever came through that ER during the 3 years I was there were two people who had been working on a cold night in a ticket booth at a Drive-In (Outdoor) Theater and a little gas heater blew up and burned them severely. I can tell you that smell of burned flesh and hair is very, very strong, but I do believe if cleaned properly with disinfectants, the odor could be eliminated, at least in 4 days. But, not so sure if it was on carpet, etc. if it would go away that easily. Perhaps MN has had experience in cleaning up this type of thing. Could be she had thought this all out so methodically, she knew how to do the cleanup.

 

[lynnb]

Warning: May be graphic
I wondered about that too. But LE entered her house 4 days after Jonathan was killed. His body was disposed of right away so there would be no smell of decomposition. With a lot of ventilation and Lysol could the burnt flesh odor be eliminated in 4 days? I'm thinking maybe it could.

You know, I keep forgetting this is Texas. I'm sitting here in Pennsylvania in a locked up winterized house and ventilation is something that happens in spring and summer... windows open in December is something I've only seen in the movies.

 

[blondekj]

So many links at Nelson's home, yet she rode away in the backseat of investigator's car as if they were going out for a burger & a movie! Way back in thread #3, I couldn't believe she was a suspect, much less under arrest because she was not cuffed for transport. A big girl like her "loose" in the car... unusual, careless, foolish! I was even more stunned to learn she was, indeed, more than just a suspect, but a pro-boxer at one time. Am I the only person still questioning the cops? Isn't in SOP for anyone transported in LE vehicles to be restrained?

I wondered about her not being cuffed in that earliest video. The only thing I can think of is she was being treated as a witness at that point and police told her they only needed to interview her, get a statement??

 

[Melanie]

for those of you with knowledge about welding......
what would happen if you tried to use the equipment(to burn anything for a period of time) in a small area, such as a living room or kitchen of an apartment? Would the place need to be ventilated? would carbon monoxide fill the room? Would any kind of soot gather on your windowpanes? What kind of destruction would it to a room, if any?

I've mentioned before -- my husband is a welder. He has never welded in a closed environment. The room should always be ventilated for your own protection. Not only would the room get hot straight away, but you don't want to breathe in any toxins. He uses a face mask as well, along with glasses.

I know there are cases where welding is done in enclosed areas.

Welding smoke can also irritate the eyes, nose, chest, and respiratory tract, and cause coughing, wheezing, shortness of breath, bronchitis, pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs) and pneumonitis (inflammation of the lungs). Gastrointestinal effects, such as nausea, loss of appetite, vomiting, cramps, and slow digestion, have also been associated with welding.

Unfortunately, my husband suffers from the gastro effects after being a welder for 20+ years. He uses fans, keeps doors open, etc. But he's still in close contact regardless.

I just can't imagine MN burning a body in closed quarters. The smell alone would be unbearable.

MOO

Mel

 

[believe09]

Maybe the raspy voice equals years of inhaling smoke from welding...

 

[Strawberry Fields]

If those police felt the same way about her as they had expressed at that presser, I have no idea how they kept so calm as to have her just "hop into the back seat please" so to speak. The looks on those detectives faces as they were standing around her apartment was a look I do not recall seeing on LE faces before. They all looked shell-shocked. Does anyone know if when they talked about how she calmly signed the consent papers, was she still in her apartment or had they taken her to the police station first?

 

[Texas Mist]

I think MN wants to die by the hands of the state. Heinous enough crime to get her the dp. She just left too much visible.

I wonder if she is a SK & was getting 'disappointed' that her crimes got no attention...so she decided to make sure her evil was noticed.

Makes me nauseous to think about how anybody could be this way but I watch a lot of the true crime/forensics shows & Dr. Stone's Most Evil....the killers at the top of his scale are cold, cruel & heartless, and in it for their twisted thrill, and the ones that are interviewed seem to relish telling about what they did.

 

[Lera213]

If those police felt the same way about her as they had expressed at that presser, I have no idea how they kept so calm as to have her just "hop into the back seat please" so to speak. The looks on those detectives faces as they were standing around her apartment was a look I do not recall seeing on LE faces before. They all looked shell-shocked. Does anyone know if when they talked about how she calmly signed the consent papers, was she still in her apartment or had they taken her to the police station first?

I have no idea, but you happen to have that link to video, I want to watch it again. I'm so bad at finding links.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thought this might be a good article for some to read if interested in learning more about how she became to be who she is.

http://ushealths.net/2011/01/how-trauma-shapes-sexuality/

This is not directed personally toward you, angel.

We have no evidence that she was an abused child or in her adult life. It really makes me feel very uncomfortable when that is thrown out there early on as if it excuses her behavior somehow. And what bothers me even more it is only linked when a female defendant commits a horrific crime such as this one. Men can be evil. Women can be evil.

Sadly, millions upon millions of children are abused and suffer trauma yearly yet the overwhelming vast majority do not go on to be predators nor murderers. So I just dont buy the abuse excuse.

If it were true that being abused in childhood makes someone into a sadistic murderer of children or adults, then with so many suffering abuse yearly, we would have an epidemic of monumental proportions.

Imo each of these sadistic murderers like Mona are in a league all of their own whether they were ever abused or not. It is not their past that makes them what they are, imo, but their present mindset that wants to do terrible harm to helpless human beings.

Just the way I think about it though.



IMO