TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged w/ Murder - #11

[NSS]

Izzy :wave: you made me think two things:

1-if she has been doing apartment maintenance and has been used to using a key to access apts for whatever purpose & then leaving, she would be used to locking the place when she left.

and 2 - AFAIK we do not know how JF left the house. We know his computer was still on, but that doesn't mean he was dragged out struggling or that he was incapacitated inside his home and taken out in some kind of cover. JF may have locked the door after himself if he trusted that he was leaving with someone to "go meet his mom" or some other excuse.

I trust that LE has coated that place looking for fingerprints, including the doorknob/lock.

Great points.
LE claim JF was abducted, in fact the initial charge was going to be kidnapping (then the tape arrived). This means Jason was taken from the house alive. (You can't kidnap a body).

Even if he knew MN, wouldn't the earlier threats (per the phone calls) have made him fearful and hesitant?

At what point does threatening, angry and enraged switch to allow him to collect his stuffed toy?

This crime required very swift movements, involved much rage and yet the cottage remained undisturbed, the door was locked, and a cuddly toy was missing?

 

[Openmind]

I absolutely DO believe she could be responsible for the entire crime, but I also have questions.

Some of those questions must remain unasked if I wish to keep my posting privileges.

However I can say that I'd like her to receive the maximum sentence for her crime. That includes the DP if she murdered him.
I would hate to discount an assistant until the evidence shows that because at this moment, we all believe she murdered him, but proving that in a court of law will require a few ermmmm inconsistencies elsewhere to be cleared up.

I so WANT to believe LE when they say she acted alone, but at the time they said it, they'd already given conflicting statements about COD. (Which in fact hasn't been determined by the ME yet AFAIK).
They based the abduction time, and alibis on telephone calls without having rec'd the phone records yet.
They failed to log a missing child for 6 hours (he'd already been killed and discarded for 3 hours before LE even acknowledged that he was missing.
They didn't issue an Amber alert until Monday, but appear to have had a description of MNs truck, knowledge of a female making threats, MN saying she was there, and being unable to locate her.

Forgive me if I think errors have been made and find it hard to accept what LE feels happened may not be what actually happened. LE's initial actions have left me needing proof.

I'm not sure that there is anyone involved in this case that I would believe without proof anymore. Trust but verify.

I have a family member who is a sociopath, and violent and (until 2 years ago) a drug abuser. They possess some traits that go along with the evil and they don't think like us, but if she were helping a friend then she would never and I mean never share that with us or LE. (Her lie about the box is easily disproved, she never meant it to be her defense. Her lies will be many in the coming days - expect to be infuriated with each passing 'declaration')

I understand having questions. I would like to know why MN was fired from her maintenance job. I would think she may have been living in the apartment complex and after she was fired she was forced to move into the empty duplex. If it didn't have electricity or water, she was basically homeless and trespassing. How anyone missed her big truck outside the duplex is beyond me.

I have thought this crime might be related to a drug deal that went bad or a payment for drugs that was not made. Or, MN was jealous of AD for moving in with MN's friend especially if MN was homeless. Now I could see MN becoming outraged by any of these events and she went seeking payment, a confrontation, or revenge. I could see AD, DD, SE not even knowing MN was out there with this pent-up rage. The anger she felt was in her mind and not something she expressed to them until that Friday and Jonathan was the person she encountered first and finally. Her first visit to the house may have been nothing more than a quick stop by. Nothing to make Jonathan suspicious or nervous. Not enough to even have him mention it to DD. She could have just asked if SE was home or some excuse to see who was home -- a scouting trip. When DD came and went, she may have sat brooding over whatever was making her mad and she decided to strike. The second time Jonathan had her at the door would have probably scared him and consequently he called his mom. When AD called back, MN was in the house and MN knew she had to leave and take Jonathan. He could identify her or she wanted to hurt him. I know it is a stretch but there is a motive to this, and I can make a case in my mind where AD, DD, and SE were not involved. I think MN is ruthless but I do not think she is smart. She will slip up. Right now, the best she could do was cook up the excuse she was paid to dispose of a crate and that didn't hold water. Maybe she saw DD when he came to the house to check on Jonathan and she thought she could use him as her fall guy. Time will tell, and I think, eventually, the entire truth will come out.

 

[relise42]

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Just curious, but is there a reason to think MN did not murder Jonathan by suffocation/drowning/or some other means. I know it is unusual, but could Jonathan have died by being tasered. It is rare but it happens.

I don't understand why MN would burn and dispose of the body for someone else and not immediately tell who that person is. Why hold onto that information if it would eliminate her as the killer? One charge is a possible death penalty, the other is a prison term.

Didn't she try to implicate the SD?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I had just had a shower and there is all this talk of sociopath, serial killer etc and I am wondering if the true motive is not something more simple.

I do believe this woman is a weird, sadistic, angry, violent person who I am sure has had a abusive childhood.

Has anyone heard any comments made from SE????? I would be very interested to know the state of their friendship. I don't think MN had too many friends judging by comments made about her ie hard to understand, etc. Maybe SE was more special to MN than vice versa and SE was distancing herself and hadn't invited her over for christmas or something similar.

what if the scenario went like this

MN goes over to see SE either in a rage due to breakup of friendship or
just to pop over to see her

She gets there and no adult is home. she either lets herself in
or Jonathon lets her in

She is either ranting or raving OR as we know she has a criminal background, sees the opportunity to steal something, be it jewellery, money, drugs...

Jonathon knows something is wrong, calls him mum at work, hence the emergency call to mum......Mona hangs up, mum rings back and mona answers.....knows she is in the poo poo either because jonathon has seen her doing something or she is just in some form of a rage......

Takes Jonathon and phone........in her rage or to stop him talking, kills jonathon with what she has available..the blow torch.

I do respect your opinion and who knows which theory is really the correct one. We may never learn the true motive.

But I don't think there is anything simple when a woman takes a blow torch and burns the flesh off of a little innocent boy.

To be capable of that we aren't looking at the 'typical' killer we often read about here imo.

Mona didn't need a blow torch to kill Jonathan. She looks strong as an ox and use to be a boxer. One blow by her to his throat or grabbing him by the throat and choking him could have easily killed him. Jonathan was no match for this massive woman.

Imo, this goes way beyond simple. This is one of the most heinous cases I can remember. It reminds me of the sadistic and vile nature of Joesph Duncan.

IMO

 

[NSS]

I too can come up with several scenarios where she acted totally alone.
I can also eliminate drug deals as either a cause or a motive.
Please don't misunderstand my questions as either defending or empathizing with MN.

To do that I have to also believe that there have been more lies told (beyond the babysitter lie), and these lies have been presented as truth by LE.

I have no vested interest in whether she was alone or with an accomplice EXCEPT that JF deserves the whole truth. So many lies surround what happened to this poor child and he deserves TRUTH and he deserves JUSTICE.

 

[lisser]

I also posted about the traffic cams in one of these posts, which IMO, is what puts a live Jonathan with Mona from his house/apt/duplex/cottage...to MN's House...and from there to E. Hardy with a body.

Take a look...

View attachment 13034

You can go the link and mess around with the cams to get a better idea...

http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/layers/layers_ve.html?&cam=true

RSBM

I sure hope LE has had those tapes (assuming they are recording cams) reviewed.

 

[Openmind]

Didn't she try to implicate the SD?

Do you mean DD -- the stepfather? Just checking. I really stink at these initials and need to keep a cheat sheet of names and initials.

 

[Reannan]

Yes...Tynesha, the beautiful girl that he murdered, dismembered and burned to nothing on his patio...was a dear friend of my families.

I posted about her case, investigation, trial, etc. several times on these threads. I will link here, just in case you / anyone else wants to read.

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I also posted about the traffic cams in one of these posts, which IMO, is what puts a live Jonathan with Mona from his house/apt/duplex/cottage...to MN's House...and from there to E. Hardy with a body.

Take a look...

View attachment 13034

You can go the link and mess around with the cams to get a better idea...

http://traffic.houstontranstar.org/layers/layers_ve.html?&cam=true

Thank you everyoneneedsavoice! I remember being horrified about Tynesha's case when it happened. My sympathy, which seems completely inadequate, to you and your family!!! I don't suppose there is any chance MN could have known Shepherd or had ever worked at Red Oak Place Apartments? In regards to your idea about the traffic cams, that would be fantastic if they worked like that!!! I rarely can find traffic cams that have any sort of visually useful historical data. I remember in the Natalee Holloway case, there were some "beach cams" that had some historical data. I spent too much time pouring over those images hoping to find something of use. Maybe LE has access to much better info than we do. I bet they don't have the manpower to sit and pour over the information like we would, however!!! :websleuther:

 

[SmoothOperator]

After having transcribed the short probable cause hearing today I realized that it was not just the poor and shoddy reporting that phone calls were labeled as "threatening"..
The D.A.'s office stated that when Angela was on her way home "that she received a mysterious phone call from her residence with a woman making 'threatening' remarks towards her son{JF}"..

Since having heard this directly from the DA's mouth I now am perceiving that there were definitely threats made by Mona towards Jonathan in that last phone call between her and mom.. I am assuming that we will not know what those threats were or why until this goes to trial..

Also now knowing this the video from early on of mom and DD where mom starts to go into detail about the phone calls with the "raspy voiced woman" and we saw DD tell her to be careful about giving too much detail of the calls.. At that time many saw this as DD being controlling and that it even possibly was indicative of DD having something to hide with regard to those calls.. But now knowing this detail from the DA's mouth that there were indeed threats made toward Jonathan in that call.{and it being SOP for LE to tell family notto share certain details with the media that LE have decided do not need to be known by the public for a multitude of reasons}.. I now I see DD's remark to mom as nothing more than a reminder of possibly what LE had told them{NOT AT ALL INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING NEFARIOUS}..

 

[Reannan]

Does anyone know why MN had welding equipment in her home? I have seen it published where she worked with "maintenance" and "plumbing", but neither of those necessarily require welding.

 

[sherryk]

I know that LE does not owe us who are following this case anything at all, nor does the media HOWEVER I hope that now after the holidays have past. The news shows that nornally focus on these type of cases, I am hoping that there will be some additional information and explanation of timeline of events, what did and did not happen in regards to the phone calls being threatening and a few other things that the public is wondering about.
I would never want anything to be released that could hurt the case. I just feel that these crimes really effect alot of us to the point that we ARE on this fourm to discuss that matter. We are trying so hard to figure it out, sort it out and I think perhaps try in someway in our minds to know what happened because we do get emotionally involved. How can a person not be emotional when somthing like this happens. This is one of it not the most horrible cases I have heard about in a long time.
I think that perhaps I want to know the cause of death, how this happened, what her motive was due to the fact that it will eventually come out at the trial or at least some of it. I think that I need to know so I can cope with it. I keep hoping that evidence will come out that will show anything other than JF being burned while alive.
As much as I was praying he would be found alive I am now praying that the death is not as gruesome as we all know it very well may be.

I suspect that MN in her mind really doesnt see that what she did was "really" that bad or has justification for it. I dont know why I feel this way but for some reason I get the feeling that she has been a little passive and oh no I would never hurt a child.. MN knows she is going away. I really think she is ok with it. I get the feeling that MN will move into the prison population, make her own friends and be a bully to others being that she can very well take care of herself. I think she is the type that likes the spotlight and will enjoy the attention it gets her behind bars also.

I know that I have heard that sexual predators and child killers are the lowest on the totem pole in male prisons.. adn their quality of life is not good. I wonder if that is the same for female prison inmates?

I do not know what her preference is as far as relationships of romantic level. "IF" a female and took on the role of the more masculine role, I would tend to think that prison may be a place that they could very well handle themself and just live life behind bars perhaps not happy or sad but just indifferent. That is not good enough for me I really want a person who did somthing like this to a child be in a place that they are misreable each and every day. The death penalty takes way too long, the appeals.. it is years before a person is put to death.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Does anyone know why MN had welding equipment in her home? I have seen it published where she worked with "maintenance" and "plumbing", but neither of those necessarily require welding.

She has also said that she is a welder.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Thank you everyoneneedsavoice! I remember being horrified about Tynesha's case when it happened. My sympathy, which seems completely inadequate, to you and your family!!! I don't suppose there is any chance MN could have known Shepherd or had ever worked at Red Oak Place Apartments? In regards to your idea about the traffic cams, that would be fantastic if they worked like that!!! I rarely can find traffic cams that have any sort of visually useful historical data. I remember in the Natalee Holloway case, there were some "beach cams" that had some historical data. I spent too much time pouring over those images hoping to find something of use. Maybe LE has access to much better info than we do. I bet they don't have the manpower to sit and pour over the information like we would, however!!! :websleuther:

I remember LE saying Mona did building maintenance at different locations for someone who owned multiple properties. It might have been in the press conference. I'll listen to it again if anyone wants me to.

Harris County property tax district has a great website. You can search by owner's name or the property address and it's free. Once you find the address you're looking for you can click on "ownership history" and it will give you the name and time period of each owner for that property, or click on "similar owner name" and you get other properties of that owner.

Here's the Villa Nueva Apartments:
http://www.hcad.org/records/details...C2e%7CU%8A%7C%86%C0%AB%A8%AD%86%5E&bld=1&tab=

 

[ynotdivein]

Great points.
LE claim JF was abducted, in fact the initial charge was going to be kidnapping (then the tape arrived). This means Jason was taken from the house alive. (You can't kidnap a body).

Even if he knew MN, wouldn't the earlier threats (per the phone calls) have made him fearful and hesitant?

At what point does threatening, angry and enraged switch to allow him to collect his stuffed toy?

This crime required very swift movements, involved much rage and yet the cottage remained undisturbed, the door was locked, and a cuddly toy was missing?

The fact that Jonathan was allowed to take the stuffed cat, plus the "Is your mother's name Angela/Yes ma'am my mother's name is Angela" says to me that MN lured him out and that he walked out of that house thinking that Mona was going to take him somewhere that he and his mom and maybe the roommate were going to meet up. IMO, he grabbed the toy on his way out the door (though where was that toy the last time AD saw it?). IMO MN locked the door behind them as they were leaving.

 

[Patty G]

The only thing that LE can prove regarding phone calls is where the phone call came from and to whom the call was made to via phone records.

What was said on the phone back and forth between DD and the "raspy" voice woman, IF it was a woman, can NOT be proven unless it was recorded. Other then that, the jist of the conversation is what one person states that the other person said.

I swear, if the phone records come back that the call was made at 1:45 PM, I am heading to the Gulf of Mexico!

For me, once a person lies, I have a difficult time trusting the next word out of their mouths. It's a personal thing for me ....

Thank goodness no one text back and forth otherwise we would have some solid information to bite into.

 

[Dear Prudence]

When all the details come out from LE, I really want to know about the phone calls and stepdad's 1:45 check on Jonathan.

Has anyone else wondered if maybe Mona was in the house already when DD checked on Jonathan at 1:45? I guess her truck was seen there though so he would remember that. But maybe he is the witness. I wish LE would release what his activities after that time were. Just a guess by me, but maybe he was heading to work and wanted to check on Jonathan before he left.

 

[Reannan]

I am chasing my tail in circles at this point. You good people keep up the great work you are doing! I am off to bed.... fftobed:

 

[Crosby87]

There are many things that puzzle me about this extraordinary case, but this is the main one: why did Angela have to unlock the door when she got home from work?

Did Mona have a key?

If so, why? Who gave it to her and why? Or did she steal it? If so, why?

Why would Mona lock up behind herself after kidnapping Jonathan?

I'm baffled.

www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-amber-alert-foster-story,0,3658934.story

AD's comment baffles me too. Did AD ever retract her claim that the door was locked when she returned? LE did not give any details about the door during the presser and a media report I posted earlier didn't say AD unlocked the door before she entered the cottage when she returned, so I am glad there is a video where AD said she unlocked the door.

IMO, 99% of the doors to dwellings have to be locked on the outside with a key and the door knobs with push buttons aren't common because they are too easy to pick. I can't think of a place where I didn't need a key to lock the main door.

 

[georgiajean]

Mona was known by Jonathan because she was friends with SE and had been to the cottage as a visitor in the past. He knew Mona because SE was his babysitter first, then AD moved in with SE. I don't think he had any thought of being afraid of her until the very end.

MOO :twocents:

Oh my. Very interesting. You brought up something I hadn't even considered. If SE had watched JF in the past, before they moved into her place, then JF may have had much more contact with MN prior to that day. She may have interacted with him on numerous occasions, since JF moved in with AD. That would make MN visiting SE's cottage nothing out of the ordinary, and would not cause alarm for JF. He might have spilled the beans about everyone's whereabouts and time schedules, without even realizing...

 

[LandAuxvasse]

Oh my. Very interesting. You brought up something I hadn't even considered. If SE had watched JF in the past, before they moved into her place, then JF may have had much more contact with MN prior to that day. She may have interacted with him on numerous occasions, since JF moved in with AD. That would make MN visiting SE's cottage nothing out of the ordinary, and would not cause alarm for JF. He might have spilled the beans about everyone's whereabouts and time schedules, without even realizing...

Yup, I agree! AD had not met Mona yet, because Mona usually came over to visit SE while AD was at work and SE was babysitting. DD had only met Mona a couple of weeks before this whole event, and we do not know the circumstances of that meeting.

MOO :twocents: