TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #9

[georgiajean]

May be graphic warning.

If I recall correctly, The pain of being burned, like other severe traumas, can render a person unconscious. It is part of the body's self preservation mechanism. So my prayer would be he was unconscious soon after it started.
Thankfully, MN did not have time to hurt him, wait for him to recover, and hurt him again. The time frame is too tight, imo.

Sweet boy, I am glad you knew how loved you were.

 

[Noway]

I wonder if they found oxygen in the apartment. Is that something anyone can get? Do you need medical prescription? IDK

 

[Dear Prudence]

I think I read somewhere that they were testing acetylene. Those burn very very hot. Propane isn't nearly as hot. It's actually used to light acetylene torches (according to DH). And LE said "crematorium" hot. (ETA: Propane torches are used for melting solder, caramelizing creme brulee, etc.)

:furious:

Yes, the torch the perp had by her own ommission is a cutting torch.

"I do have a cutting torch. I'm a welder. I would never do that. I have five grandkids," Nelson said. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780

I read about cutting torches today because I didn't know what they were. They run on acetylene and oxygen and are used to cut metals. They reach a temperature of 6000 degrees F. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_torch#Cutting_torch

 

[Patty G]

I wonder if they found oxygen in the apartment. Is that something anyone can get? Do you need medical prescription? IDK

I had to get a prescription for my oxygen and was told not to light my gas stove, a candle or anything while using the oxygen as I could cause a fire!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

At the 6 o'clock news, they said they had not ruled out suffocation.

To me, it was more sensationalizing than "news" - he might have been burned to death. He might have been sexually abused. Then at the end of the segment, the reporter had to backtrack and say that homicide detectives said it was just one theory they had.

Thanks.

I think it is a logical theory.

LE found ties where he was bound. The welding torch was used in the home. And LE has the carpet that was burned and the experts will be able to determine if a chair was sitting there. Or if she bound him up and placed him on the floor there would be evidence of his flesh (that pains me to write that-sorry). If he whithered in unbelievable pain as he was being burned then the forensic biological evidence will be more wide spread.

It seems to me if she was going to desecrate the body by burning she would have taken him elsewhere in a secluded area to do that before she disposed of his little body.

Mona didn't need to tie this boy up to strangle him to death, imo. She looks strong as an ox to me and add evilness to it and he didnt stand a chance.

IMO

 

[peeples]

I had to get a prescription for my oxygen and was told not to light my gas stove, a candle or anything while using the oxygen as I could cause a fire!

When my grandma was on oxygen we had special warnings posted on all the doors and everything warning of it being in the house.

 

[passionflower]

Yes, the torch the perp had by her own ommission is a cutting torch.

"I do have a cutting torch. I'm a welder. I would never do that. I have five grandkids," Nelson said. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780

I read about cutting torches today because I didn't know what they were. They run on acetylene and oxygen and are used to cut metals. They reach a temperature of 6000 degrees F. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_torch#Cutting_torch

would that cut and burn at the same time??? :furious:

 

[JenRen]

"Justice for Jonathan Foster" FB page if anyone is interested. They have a few photos from memorials and vigils posted.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php...s/Justice-for-Jonathan-Foster/166569373386223

<Mods, please remove if I'm not allowed to post this>

 

[Noway]

I had to get a prescription for my oxygen and was told not to light my gas stove, a candle or anything while using the oxygen as I could cause a fire!

Thanks Patty. I thought that might be the case.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

There are a couple of posts earlier in this thread where the locals were watching a news cast at 6:00 PM CST and it appeared that one LE was thinking one thing and the other another way. I haven't seen the broadcast and waiting to see if a link becomes available so I can watch it myself.

Thank you.Do you know what they are saying or thier theories?

 

[passionflower]

In the 20 min. presser, one of the LE said something about evidence (a garbage can) mentioned, then stopped and dropped the subject.
Did she have him in a metal type container when burning him???

I think I also heard something about a tote used in the transfer from truck to ditch.

 

[Crosby87]

Out of curiosity... Did they clear the others out of the crime itself or clear them altogether from any involvement? I should research it myself, but I'm curious if anyone has the info off hand. TIA.

Here is what Michael Miller, the homicide investigator who interviewed MN said during the press conference...

snip

"MN provided a statement to us implicating others as well as herself. Those others have been put under the microscope and we interviewed them at length and documented every second of their day. They weren’t involved. She acted alone in this crime out of her own disregard for human life. She decided to take JF out of our world."

 

[epiphany]

Yes, the torch the perp had by her own ommission is a cutting torch.

"I do have a cutting torch. I'm a welder. I would never do that. I have five grandkids," Nelson said. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780

I read about cutting torches today because I didn't know what they were. They run on acetylene and oxygen and are used to cut metals. They reach a temperature of 6000 degrees F. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_torch#Cutting_torch

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26334262/detail.html

One officer said on Friday that the autopsy has ruled out any trauma on the child's body. There were no broken bones or any signs of strangulation or head wounds, so officers said it now appears the child was killed with a welding torch that could be capable of 6,000-degree flames.

 

[Patty G]

Whenever I have cooked fish in my home, I could smell the fish for days afterwards throughout the house. You would think that there would be more of a scent in the house besides what is on the portion of the rug! JMO

 

[Dear Prudence]

Dear Prudence...I'm just catching up and wanted to respond to your question to my post in the last thread: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #8


Yes, Quanell X did get her killer to confess and testified against him in trial. (see links below).


As for his involvement in Jonathan's case...I think his actions are probably just as self-serving as the media station (s) that are using him to increase their ratings.


Similar to some of the posts I've seen from several here, people immediately associate his involvement and/or support, with the sentiments of "all black people" and / or "the black community"; which is offensive to me&#8230;and every person I associate with&#8230;whether they look like me and "my community"; or not. However, I also understand that his past behavior has left his present actions questionable, at best; which immediately leads to panic and dread when he gets involved with any case.


Most of all, I think it&#8217;s unfortunate that his involvement distracts from Jonathan.


I believe he will end up being instrumental to the prosecution of Mona, just as he has been in many other cases&#8230;.and I also believe that the investigators working this case know this too.

* respectfully snipped by me
Thanks so much for the response everyone! It will be interesting to see if Quanell stays involved and what his role will be.

 

[Noway]

would that cut and burn at the same time??? :furious:

My hub (who is not welder) said acetylene mixed with oxygen cuts steel. (He worked many years at company that smelted steel.)

 

[Beyond Belief]

Personally I am completely traumatized by the violence inflicted on this young boy. Anyone who wants to run as far as they want from all this I understand completely.
This woman just needs to be removed from our world quickly, she just doesn't belong here.
I hope and pray Jonathans family is going to be able to cope with this tragedy.
This little guy was a good boy, obviously he co operated with his lifestyle changes and did well. A good child just waiting for Christmas to come. I sent an xbox to my 12 year old grandson for Christmas. I can hear him laughing and having fun with it in the background when I talk to my daughter on the phone. Then I think of Jonathan who should be doing the same thing. My heart breaks.

 

[epiphany]

Re her neighbors' comments about her apartment:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

A neighbor who declined to give her name said she thought the home and garage apartments were vacant.

Another said Nelson lived in a rear apartment but "kept to herself."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

May be graphic warning.

If I recall correctly, The pain of being burned, like other severe traumas, can render a person unconscious. It is part of the body's self preservation mechanism. So my prayer would be he was unconscious soon after it started.
Thankfully, MN did not have time to hurt him, wait for him to recover, and hurt him again. The time frame is too tight, imo.

Sweet boy, I am glad you knew how loved you were.

Yes, he would be unconscious at some point, but just think.... when any of us has had just the smallest burn from cooking or doing a project etc.... the instant pain we feel is intense and excruciating.

So no matter if Jonathan was rendered unconscious at some point....the few minutes he was aware had to be the most unbearable pain imaginable.

I think she gagged him so he couldn't scream.

IMO

 

[lynnb]

On the Justice for Jonathan facebook page, someone brought up the point that at the press conference it was stated the Medical examiner had said that he was not burned while alive. Does anyone remember that?