TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #9

[jjenny]

....especially since his mom was supposed to be off work around 2pm that day anyways ~ I will go look for the link....

Well we don't know why the step father went up there but I imagine he has a good explanation considering police have cleared everyone else but MN.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Would this intense heat leave ash on the floor with dna from skin?

Yes and charred bits of flesh. Sorry for being so graphic. The carpet will reveal a lot of evidence.

6000 degrees can even burn up bones.

I believe the incinerator a funeral home uses when they cremate someone is about 1800 degrees.

IMO

 

[BOZGAL]

If Mona did not kill Jonathan, and she knows who did, why not tell who that is? Instead she says she was paid to take a plastic crate and dump it. She claims she didn't know what was in it until they were cross examining her, but the video shows her discarding a body not a box. They have her truck at the child's home, burn marks on her floor, and other horrific evidence at her home. It she knows who killed this child, why not tell instead of creating that implausable excuse? I have a hard time thinking she is protecting someone.

Absolutely Openmind.
She is doing a pitiful job of attempting to protect herself.
PTL for the business that had the camera is all I can say.

JMHO

 

[Linda7NJ]

But not so much smoke as in the fire.
From the autopsy there is no evidence of strangulation or any other trauma to the body that could indicate a cause of death due to trauma.

Did they release the autopsy report ? Did the ME make a statement?

If not, I will wait.

 

[lynnb]

PattyG- I think this is the video from the 6:00 news from earlier
http://www.click2houston.com/video/26335560/index.html

 

[sherryk]

Can anyone give me any information on welding torches, the kind that were found in MN home.

How could a welding torch burn a body but not the inside of a home?
Does a person have to use welding glasses to protect their own eyes?
How long does one tank of welding propane (not sure if propane correct word but not familiar with welding) how long does one tank last if used it continual. Would a person need more than one tank to burn a body?

I am wondering if the "burn" marks on the carpet were BURN marks or SCORCH marks like an iron left on the floor would make.

I am just wondering if she had the body on some type of heat resistant material and the heat was so great that it scorched, melted the carpet
OR
if the carpet was acutally burned being that she burned the body KNOWING it would leave a burn mark?

I would think that a welder would know that the carpet would be burnt. I wondering if it was more planned out and perhaps some type of heat resistant material was used to try and prevent any evidence of a torch being used and it just didnt work out as well as she planned OR did she just burn the body and not care as to who would question burn places in the carpet?

I have read conflicting news reports as to if Jonathan killed by the burning or before.
I just hope that he did not suffer. If he was burned to death I hope that the human body shuts down the pain sensor part of the brain after a short amount of time.. it sickens me to my stomach to think of person to be killed in such a manner.

 

[jjenny]

Did they release the autopsy report ? Did the ME make a statement?

If not, I will wait.

I don't know about the report, but
"One officer said on Friday that the autopsy has ruled out any trauma on the child's body. There were no broken bones or any signs of strangulation or head wounds, so officers said it now appears the child was killed with a welding torch that could be capable of 6,000-degree flames."

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26334262/detail.html

 

[JenRen]

Yes,Why was he there?

This bothers me a bit also. If AD moved Jonathan away from him, I'm sure she may not have wanted him around Jonathan. The only reasoning I can come up with is DD was checking on Jonathan, maybe on his way home after work or something similar. Making sure he was ok and didn't need anything, etc.

Isn't the original apartment and the roommate's home very near each other?

 

[LandAuxvasse]

I should have clarified the defense part. I stated last night she apparently was starting her own defense so to speak when she decided to speak with a reporter. She is blaming other people and like I have said before this woman clearly knows her away around the criminal/legal system with her rap sheet. I firmly believe a diminished capacity defense will be part of this once her DP attorney is assigned to her. Anyone with a criminal record that spans 26 years knows how to work it.

JMHO

Excellent post, thank you! I wonder if there's a way to find out who her lawyers in past cases have been.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well we don't know why the step father went up there but I imagine he has a good explanation considering police have cleared everyone else but MN.

I haven't even seen a reason why he would want to murder his own stepson.
I dont think for one second he had anything to do with this. If that were remotely true the police would have never declared him cleared.

He seems to be devastated by all this. I think he dropped by to check on his stepson and then left to go back to work or he had somewhere else he had to go.

IMO

 

[lillys]

I just want to know why Jonathan had to be checked on at 1:45 PM.

Patty G this is my 'guess'. From the news reports I've read, I think Jonathan grabbed the cordless phone from his home and took it with him when M kidnapped him. I think he snuck in a secretive emergency call to his mom and I think M caught him. The raspy voiced woman who called Jonathan's mom at work even asked if she was indeed talking to Jonathan's mom.

That's another way IMHOO that LE knows they have the right person. That and the fact that the welding torch, burnt carpet and human flesh smell ALL were discovered by cops who went into M's house.
all imo

 

[jjenny]

I haven't even seen a reason why he would want to murder his own stepson.
I dont think for one second he had anything to do with this. If that were remotely true the police would have never declared him cleared.

He seems to be devastated by all this. I think he dropped by to check on his stepson and then left to go back to work.

IMO

I also don't see any reason for police to clear him if they had any suspicion at this time that he was involved in any way.
I imagine, for police, the more suspects the merrier (police can turn the suspects against each other and get confessions, etc). If they thought more than one person were involved, what is the reason for them to say everyone was cleared but MN? None as far as I can tell.

 

[joedotnet]

Well we don't know why the step father went up there but I imagine he has a good explanation considering police have cleared everyone else but MN.

I'm not accusing the DD or AD of anything....however, AD moves out of DD's presumably one of the reasons was that he slapped JF. Why in the world would AD even allow DD to be around JF thus allowing him to "check" on him at 145pm? Too bad they didn't let JF stay with Renee. My thoughts are with you Reneeloveyou.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't know about the report, but
"One officer said on Friday that the autopsy has ruled out any trauma on the child's body. There were no broken bones or any signs of strangulation or head wounds, so officers said it now appears the child was killed with a welding torch that could be capable of 6,000-degree flames."

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26334262/detail.html

I understand and you linked a perfectly good source. That being said, it wouldn't be the first time a source was mistaken in this case. I, personally, am simply not ready to ponder the thought he was burned alive. It's nothing personal. I just refuse to without an offical statement or the report.

 

[Beyond Belief]

The child was bound with twine. You don't have to tie up someone who is dead.

 

[JenRen]

Yes and charred bits of flesh. Sorry for being so graphic. The carpet will reveal a lot of evidence.

3000 degrees can even burn up bones.

I believe the incinerator a funeral home uses when they cremate someone is about 1800 degrees.

IMO

You bring up a point that I've been mulling around in my head. Per MN's MS and FB, we know she liked forensic shows. I wonder if she thought that using the torch would destroy everything, including bones? I think this may have been why she chose the torch. I would only think that IF Jonathan was dead before she started using it, not if he was alive prior to it being used (kills me to type that).

 

[Jolynna]

I sure wish I felt that he did not suffer the horrible pain that he would have endured by being burned to death by a welding torch but sadly I don't believe he was unconscious during any of this.

Imo, we are looking at a full blown psychopath here when it comes to Mona.

I think she personally wanted him to feel every bit of the pain. I think she bound and gagged him and he knew exactly what was going to happen. God bless his soul.

The only motive I can think is a sexual assault or she may be one of those predators that gets satisfaction out of killing someone in the most torturous way possible and gets a thrill out of it.

I know when I was researching female murderers/predators in the Sandra Cantu case many of them loved to inflict torturous pain on their victims before the victim was murdered. It feeds their lust and leaves them thrilled by being so in control over another helpless human being.

My hubby has accidentally burned himself with his welding torch and it was so painful. I cannot imagine the horror Jonanthan endured.

I certainly believe that this despicable woman did this ALL on her own and I am so thankful that LE isn't buying her made up BS. Already I think they have plenty of good evidence and she is going to get the death penalty for what she has done to this innocent boy.

Over the many years I have been here, I have often posted my opinions on female murderers, and predators. I have always felt a lot of unsolved cases were done by a female, and they have gotten away with evil acts for years.

I agree with LE. This is not Mona's first murder. I am so glad at least THIS female predator/murderer is off the street but I certainly believe there are way more out there uncaught at this time.

Maybe more will be solved if LE opens their eyes more as to what some women are capable of doing. I hope so for the victims that have never seen justice.

RIP Jonathan. I am so sorry this evil woman ever crossed your path.

IMO

I used to write a blog about bad women and follow cases involving female perps.

I agree with you. I think the commonly held perceptions of women have allowed them to get away with evil for years.

 

[Blue Eyed Chick]

You have to wonder why MN would be so nonchalant with allowing LE in to chat with all of the evidence not carefully disposed of. She had *days* to get rid of all of that stuff!

 

[CocoChanel]

But not so much smoke as in the fire.
From the autopsy there is no evidence of strangulation or any other trauma to the body that could indicate a cause of death due to trauma.

Would suffocation cause trauma to the body? Can we cling to that possibility instead of this other horror?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I haven't even seen a reason why he would want to murder his own stepson.
I dont think for one second he had anything to do with this. If that were remotely true the police would have never declared him cleared.

He seems to be devastated by all this. I think he dropped by to check on his stepson and then left to go back to work or he had somewhere else he had to go.

IMO

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I haven't even seen a reason why he would want to murder his own stepson.

He hit little Jonathan.It was apparantly bad enough for her to move with Jonathan away from him.Something was very wrong.I know that does not prove he killed him though.