TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #9

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  • #401
I can not see how a drunk person is able to use welding equipment without putting the place on fire. At those high temperatures , it will cut straight thru almost anything like a knife and through carpet/wooden floor if left on a spot a tiny bit too long. You have to be sober to use such equipment IMO.

She is a welder.
That starts to fall under muscle memory.

I couldn't weld drunk, but I can cook my 🤬🤬🤬 off, or type a 100 words a minute, etc.... those things are familiar and routine, muscle memory to me.

Welding is not a new skill to her.

Being heavily intoxicated to commit such a horrid and intimate act of disfigurment makes me think it is not something that *enjoyment* was the primary motivation. Would want her wits about her, to be in the moment, easily could have kept him longer like so many of these sadist do so they can rape their victim repeatedly before killing them
 
  • #402
but did any of your friends leave town 2 days later and leave the grieving mother on her own? I'm sorry, but that tells me a lot about this man's character. Even if his marriage is rocky, this moment should not be about "his" feelings and what is making "him" uncomfortable. He should suck it up and be there to support/comfort his wife.

You can look at it from the other side, too. Mom moved out apparently because JF and SD weren't getting along. A friend/acquaintance of the person they moved in with killed JF. Mom may be pointing at SD and blaming him for setting this whole thing in motion. She might have told him to leave.
 
  • #403
One thing I'm wondering about since there's been so many changing stories is did stepdad DD see Jonathan at 1:45 PM on Christmas Eve? Who did this come from? Did DD go to SE's place where Jonathan was staying or did Jonathan go to the apartment to get a video?
 
  • #404
You can look at it from the other side, too. Mom moved out apparently because JF and SD weren't getting along. A friend/acquaintance of the person they moved in with killed JF. Mom may be pointing at SD and blaming him for setting this whole thing in motion. She might have told him to leave.

I thought JF's mother left and was staying with her mother who lives an hour away from where this happened?

ETA: Actually, I guess I just heard "family" and assumed it was her mother.
 
  • #405
I whole-heartedly believe Jonathan is in heaven, free of human pain.

This is one of the most shocking and sad cases I have ever heard.

I am so happy Texas has the death penalty.
 
  • #406
Its really surprising to me to see a few people STILL bagging on the SD. Hasn't he been through enough? He lost a step son, and one that he evidently smacked for some reason. Every parent I know, myself included has done something rash and immediately regretful in a moment of anger....maybe not physically, but then again, maybe. We don't know the family dynamics, or what happened to precipitate it. Thats really not the issue anyway. He, being a stepfather STILL.....went to check on his stepson to make sure he was ok. The mom certainly didn't think anything odd about it, so why does anyone else? There is absolutely NO evidence presented to implicate this man in any way, yet some still, are not convinced. Even when everything incriminating is pointing to the REAL murderer. People saw Mona there before AND after SD was there.....LE is comfortable announcing that they do not believe SD is involved in any way....do you think they would come back with a "whoops".....just kidding moment? There is no doubt in my mind either that this man deserves his time away from the accusations, the gossip and speculation so he can grieve. I haven't heard that he is divorcing his wife, so who knows? Maybe they'll get back together or maybe they are together now.......but give this man a break! He's been officially cleared by LE and should be left alone to pick up the pieces of his life. Their lives will never be the same again. I believe with all my heart that because this case was so heart wretching, LE scrutinized every move of everyone microscopically and methodically. This was near to their hearts, too. They wouldn't clear SD or anyone else if he there was ANY evidence at all pointing this crime towards towards anyone else. They NEEDED to do this right for that poor child. I feel so bad for that whole family and feel the focus should be on WHY and HOW this woman destroyed so many lives. Sorry if I'm ranting, but this was horrific and I would hate to think that family members reading this have to see themselves still being accused after LE has cleared them. All of this is MOO and I hope everyone has a Happy New Year.
 
  • #407
I totally agree with you pinkzebra, and even though I suspected him from the start, once he was cleared I realized all my suspicions were because of maybe his education level, his class level is not the same as mine. That doesn't make him a killer, and I'm sure he is suffering.

If the family is reading this, none should take any blame for anything. You all did your best and that is all we all can do. No second guessing now, Jonathan is with God, and at peace. I think if Jonathan could send any of us and family a message he would want everyone to be peaceful and kind to one another.
 
  • #408
Like everyone here, this case has disturbed me greatly. A couple of random thoughts:

1. One minor thing that sucks is that she'll be housed with females and, unfortunately, I don't think any of them will be bigger or stronger than she is so she won't suffer the jailhouse retribution she deserves. Wish they'd put her with men.

2. I am the mother to small children. We tell our kids that they are to be wary of "strangers" but typically women are safer than men if you *have* to put some trust in a stranger. And to find a mommy with children (or a nametag to show an employee if in a store, etc.) if they ever do find themselves lost. MN is a mother. How on earth can someone who does such cruel and unspeakable things, to an innocent child no less, ever love someone else?

Hi momoeb and welcome to WS{sorry that what brings us all together here are such tragic circumstances,many being children}..

I, too have been living in "these times" while raising a child{who now is 13} and I'll be honest with u that the reason I have been so extremely hesitant about having another is because of the evil that walks among our innocent children..it is terrifyingly real.. the "boogey man" that we teach our children not to be afraid of because it doesn't exist is no longer the case..{as I went on a rant earlier about the boogey man and that they are you and I's neighbor, the one we wave to as we pass by everyday..the boogey man hides in plain sight and alot of them look just as you or I..and just as you mentioned are female, are mothers, and even grandmothers}..

But you ask how could someone do such unspeakable things{and to a child no less}..how could they ever be capable of loving someone else{i.e. her twins and her 5 grandchildren in this case}..

and my answer to you is that this monster is not capable of love, not capable of genuine concern, care, or well being of ANYONE{not even her own flesh and blood kids&grandkids}..anyone other than herself..

Of course the reasons of why this "human being" is capable of such unspeakable actions and behaviors is debated by many..but my own personal belief for the how, the why, and the who is a combination..its a combination of many different aspects, abuses, circumstances, genetic make up, etc, etc...many people having one or maybe even a couple of those SPECIFIC circumstances..and yet not the "monster" that we are speaking of... IMO it is when there are multiple/many of these SPECIFIC abuses, circumstances, genes, choices, etc that when that CERTAIN SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF THOSE CREATES WHAT I WOULD CALL "THE PERFECT STORM".. The Perfect Storm of which the outcome is of monsterous proportions... creating someone that has no sympathy, no empathy, no remorse, nothing! Once they have come to a certain point in their lives I believe they are 100% incapable of ANY OF THESE FEELINGS!

Don't get me wrong tho they are 100% CAPABALE OF BY ALL OUTWARD APPEARANCES TO BE "FEELING" THESE EMOTIONS..but the reality is they only are capable of "going thru the motions", so to speak.. they can act as if they are sad, or sorry, genuinely caring, or "showing" remorse..but it IS NOTHING MORE THAN JUST THAT, "SHOWING", PERFORMING, ACTING, OR MIMICKING WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING DO WHEN DISPLAYING THESE TYPE EMOTIONS..Inside there is ZERO FEELING, EMOTION, OR REMORSE that these certain "human" beings feel..

as I said, the how, the why, and the who is debatable by many but IMO in a nutshell I feel that it is because of that "perfect storm" that unfortunately these terrifyingly real beings are very well some of our very own neighbors...
 
  • #409
One thing I'm wondering about since there's been so many changing stories is did stepdad DD see Jonathan at 1:45 PM on Christmas Eve? Who did this come from? Did DD go to SE's place where Jonathan was staying or did Jonathan go to the apartment to get a video?

The last thing we heard was at the press conference, where LE said that DD did stop by to see Jonathan. There was nothing said about Jonathan leaving to go anywhere. Just that Mona was there around 12:30pm, DD was there around 1:45pm and they believe Mona waited for DD to leave before taking Jonathan.


I thought JF's mother left and was staying with her mother who lives an hour away from where this happened?

ETA: Actually, I guess I just heard "family" and assumed it was her mother.

I believe the last we heard AD was staying with her mother and DD was staying with the roommate, SE.
 
  • #410
One thing I'm wondering about since there's been so many changing stories is did stepdad DD see Jonathan at 1:45 PM on Christmas Eve? Who did this come from? Did DD go to SE's place where Jonathan was staying or did Jonathan go to the apartment to get a video?

"The finding of the body kind of confirmed our worst fears," said Sgt. Brian Harris of Houston Police Department’s homicide division.

"Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter’s house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy’s mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.

"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it’s not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.

The stepfather, reportedly is the last known person to see Jonathan, he said.

Davis told investigators Jonathan was at home playing video games when he went to check on the boy at 1:45 p.m. Friday."
 
  • #411
Why not assume the BEST option here rather than the worst?[/B]

Post respectfully snipped.

Because it may not be the truth. And the truth is what matters. What good does it do to sugar coat this? It might be hard for us to hear, see and learn what happened to Jonathan. But it's nothing compared to what he actually went through. How shameful and weak are we to make less of what he went through so that those of us still alive can deal with it? It's degrading to the victims to not to fully aknowledge their suffering.
 
  • #412
Yes, I believe this is what impatientredhead has tried to tell us several times, only to be ignored.

She is not being ignored. We are waiting for her to post her information if it is within the TOS. We can't comment on something not within TOS.
 
  • #413
Originally Posted by PurpleHaze
if she was drunk when she dumped the body, has anyone said that she was drunk when she arrived back at his home? IIRC, after she dumped the body, she went back to the duplex to see what was going on. I don't remember anyone saying she was drunk at that time. Or maybe hours went by and she was sober by then?
and then...
I can not see how a drunk person is able to use welding equipment without putting the place on fire. At those high temperatures , it will cut straight thru almost anything like a knife and through carpet/wooden floor if left on a spot a tiny bit too long. You have to be sober to use such equipment IMO.

I have seen this brought up several times today, so am just using the two above to jump off of...

Whenever I see the alcohol issue discussed, questioned, or stated In the back of my mind the same, consistent notion has been there...

To my knowledge the entire issue of MN and alcohol, specially with the issue of Mona being highly intoxicated/drunk on vodka the afternoon/evening of December 24 when Jonathan was abducted, murdered, disposed.. this info of Mona's intoxication came from NO ONE EXCEPT MONA{IIRC?}.. With Mona using her intoxicated state as an excuse for why she accepted $20 from DD and agreed to get rid of a "plastic container" for him.. Therefor it is because of MN using the intoxication as an excuse that I am led to NOT BELIEVE THAT MONA WAS INTOXICATED ON THE 24TH..

That reason along with what else you all mentioned.. the fact that itd be teribly difficult for her to maneuver and operate the dangerous torch when highly intoxicated as Mona is claiming that she was..

with that detail not being given by ANYONE ELSE I JUST DO NOT FIND IT CREDIBLE, NOR ACCURATE
 
  • #414
I am working on my post right now.
It will be up shortly.
Silly husband wanted my attention, something about it being a holiday and us being a couple.

I told him I had to turn my attention to the laptop though.
Time to warm up my best Glenn Close impression; I won't be ignored!
 
  • #415
Why not assume the BEST option here rather than the worst?

Why do we have to "assume" it's worse if it's not proven.

Post respectfully snipped.

Because it may not be the truth. And the truth is what matters. What good does it do to sugar coat this? It might be hard for us to hear, see and learn what happened to Jonathan. But it's nothing compared to what he actually went through. How shameful and weak are we to make less of what he went through so that those of us still alive can deal with it? It's degrading to the victims to not to fully aknowledge their suffering.

Yes, truth is what matters. What is the truth?

The autopsy has ruled out any trauma on the child's body. There were no broken bones or any signs of strangulation or head wounds.

Why didn't it stop there? The rest is guessing, not truth.

So why, for the sake of the family... can they not simply assume the quickest, least painful form of murder unless they can disprove it. Until they can prove that he was burned alive? They could have stuck with the autopsy results, no trauma. Unknown cause of death. End of story.


I am not talking about the theories discussed here. I am talking about law enforcement and media headlines.



Imagine reading about your 12 year old nephew, or son complete with a picture of him.... as you prepare for his funeral in 4 days...

Police Believe Child Was Killed With Welding Torch

Homicide investigators say they think a 12-year-old boy's death was extremely painful and grisly.


They BELIEVE and they THINK and that is enough to put the family through that?

There is absolutely no reason to say that. If it said "the autopsy PROVED he was killed by _______" then that's fine. But to come out and "guess" and "assume" about the most horrific way possible for this child to die is just so completely wrong.

Then you throw in the...we think it was sexual abuse... but we can't prove it. If they cannot prove abuse, they cannot charge anyone with abuse, there was absolutely NO need to bring it up at all. All it did was further anger the public and further torture his family. They could have stuck with "we cannot prove a motive."

I have no problem acknowledging any of these things if they were FACTS and not "beliefs" and "guesses."

I assure you that unproven and unfounded guesses about the possible torture their child went through...from people in power, is the last thing they need right now. :(


OT - How I know that

I have BEEN the family member of the murder victim.

I have watched LE make statements about "her hair was ripped out, her nails were broken, she was a feisty one and he really had to fight her to hogtie her. We believe it was a long and painful death since he had her for 48 hours." :sick:

We have never forgiven LE for the statements they made in our case. Especially since she was raped, strangled and dumped within 2 hours. We spent so long convinced she had been tortured for 48 hours. It was just a "guess" by law enforcement because that's how long she was missing. Her death was horrific. But dead within 2 hours is far better than tortured for 48. :banghead:

We have fully acknowledged everything she went through and have not made less of it. I've been to the abduction site, the dump site, seen all the pictures, read every detail, imagined every detail over and over and over in my head. I know which nails were broken, where she had bruises, everything... I know her case file better than any cop.


Disclaimer: MsFacetious + Alcohol = Way too honest just FYI.
 
  • #416
Hi momoeb and welcome to WS{sorry that what brings us all together here are such tragic circumstances,many being children}..

I, too have been living in "these times" while raising a child{who now is 13} and I'll be honest with u that the reason I have been so extremely hesitant about having another is because of the evil that walks among our innocent children..it is terrifyingly real.. the "boogey man" that we teach our children not to be afraid of because it doesn't exist is no longer the case..{as I went on a rant earlier about the boogey man and that they are you and I's neighbor, the one we wave to as we pass by everyday..the boogey man hides in plain sight and alot of them look just as you or I..and just as you mentioned are female, are mothers, and even grandmothers}..

But you ask how could someone do such unspeakable things{and to a child no less}..how could they ever be capable of loving someone else{i.e. her twins and her 5 grandchildren in this case}..

and my answer to you is that this monster is not capable of love, not capable of genuine concern, care, or well being of ANYONE{not even her own flesh and blood kids&grandkids}..anyone other than herself..

Of course the reasons of why this "human being" is capable of such unspeakable actions and behaviors is debated by many..but my own personal belief for the how, the why, and the who is a combination..its a combination of many different aspects, abuses, circumstances, genetic make up, etc, etc...many people having one or maybe even a couple of those SPECIFIC circumstances..and yet not the "monster" that we are speaking of... IMO it is when there are multiple/many of these SPECIFIC abuses, circumstances, genes, choices, etc that when that CERTAIN SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF THOSE CREATES WHAT I WOULD CALL "THE PERFECT STORM".. The Perfect Storm of which the outcome is of monsterous proportions... creating someone that has no sympathy, no empathy, no remorse, nothing! Once they have come to a certain point in their lives I believe they are 100% incapable of ANY OF THESE FEELINGS!

Don't get me wrong tho they are 100% CAPABALE OF BY ALL OUTWARD APPEARANCES TO BE "FEELING" THESE EMOTIONS..but the reality is they only are capable of "going thru the motions", so to speak.. they can act as if they are sad, or sorry, genuinely caring, or "showing" remorse..but it IS NOTHING MORE THAN JUST THAT, "SHOWING", PERFORMING, ACTING, OR MIMICKING WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING DO WHEN DISPLAYING THESE TYPE EMOTIONS..Inside there is ZERO FEELING, EMOTION, OR REMORSE that these certain "human" beings feel..

as I said, the how, the why, and the who is debatable by many but IMO in a nutshell I feel that it is because of that "perfect storm" that unfortunately these terrifyingly real beings are very well some of our very own neighbors...

Well said!!!! I agree with you 100% and it's terrifying.
 
  • #417
This killer was making a statement. Burn a body with a torch and leave it will where it will definitely be found. Whatever her thinking which I can't even begin to understand was trying to communicate somekind of message.


i have a theory, she chose this particular location to dump JF body where it would be found, it is within a block of a high risk child predator. check sex offender database, there is a RSO (child victims) that lives on that block. she already planted the seed of a possible sex crime by her implying (paraphrased) JF answered door with shirt off and seemed someone was there with him....
 
  • #418
Its really surprising to me to see a few people STILL bagging on the SD. Hasn't he been through enough? He lost a step son, and one that he evidently smacked for some reason. Every parent I know, myself included has done something rash and immediately regretful in a moment of anger....maybe not physically, but then again, maybe. We don't know the family dynamics, or what happened to precipitate it. Thats really not the issue anyway. He, being a stepfather STILL.....went to check on his stepson to make sure he was ok. The mom certainly didn't think anything odd about it, so why does anyone else? There is absolutely NO evidence presented to implicate this man in any way, yet some still, are not convinced. Even when everything incriminating is pointing to the REAL murderer. People saw Mona there before AND after SD was there.....LE is comfortable announcing that they do not believe SD is involved in any way....do you think they would come back with a "whoops".....just kidding moment? There is no doubt in my mind either that this man deserves his time away from the accusations, the gossip and speculation so he can grieve. I haven't heard that he is divorcing his wife, so who knows? Maybe they'll get back together or maybe they are together now.......but give this man a break! He's been officially cleared by LE and should be left alone to pick up the pieces of his life. Their lives will never be the same again. I believe with all my heart that because this case was so heart wretching, LE scrutinized every move of everyone microscopically and methodically. This was near to their hearts, too. They wouldn't clear SD or anyone else if he there was ANY evidence at all pointing this crime towards towards anyone else. They NEEDED to do this right for that poor child. I feel so bad for that whole family and feel the focus should be on WHY and HOW this woman destroyed so many lives. Sorry if I'm ranting, but this was horrific and I would hate to think that family members reading this have to see themselves still being accused after LE has cleared them. All of this is MOO and I hope everyone has a Happy New Year.
...the thing is he has known Jonathan for no more than a couple of months,give or take,within this short period of time he has reportedly slapped the kid.While I don't believe anymore that he is responsible for his death I do think it's still strange that he checked on the kid so close to the time this happened.I think it's ok to still ask questions.The stories have changed too many times.In former cases we have seen again and again that even if LE clears a person that can change later.Again at this point I personally don't think he is involved at all and I think his pain that this happened to an innocent child was not fake but I don't think he loved Jonathan like his son either.
 
  • #419
(BBM)
...the thing is he has known Jonathan for no more than a couple of months,give or take,within this short period of time he has reportedly slapped the kid. While I don't believe anymore that he is responsible for his death I do think it's still strange that he checked on the kid so close to the time this happened. I think it's ok to still ask questions.The stories have changed too many times.In former cases we have seen again and again that even if LE clears a person that can change later. Again at this point I personally don't think he is involved at all and I think his pain that this happened to an innocent child was not fake but I don't think he loved Jonathan like his son either.

BBM - Totally agree ~
 
  • #420
She is a welder.
That starts to fall under muscle memory.

I couldn't weld drunk, but I can cook my 🤬🤬🤬 off, or type a 100 words a minute, etc.... those things are familiar and routine, muscle memory to me.

Welding is not a new skill to her.

Being heavily intoxicated to commit such a horrid and intimate act of disfigurment makes me think it is not something that *enjoyment* was the primary motivation. Would want her wits about her, to be in the moment, easily could have kept him longer like so many of these sadist do so they can rape their victim repeatedly before killing them

My husband is a sheet metal technician (welder). He works on custom and high end cars. I've seen what one spark from his torch does to him. He's normally covered in head to toe in a suit, mask, gloves, when welding.

Can I assume there are no marks on MN? This hasn't been reported in any MSN that I know of. IF she torched him without the proper equipment, the backlash would appear on her. She would absolutely have to be geared up. That backlash would also include DNA from Jonathan. I can't imagine her doing this sans any protection. I've been around my husband working many times, and he says never come near when his torches are on. He always turns them off for safety reasons. He was trained in the UK, and worked under Prince Charles - so I do trust his opinion in this matter.

If you have any questions, I will ask and answer.

Mel
 
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