TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[kittythehare]

They got the perps. Right?!
If so I'm excited!

they got 1, 2 on the loose.

 

[Hope4More]

They said 12 POUNDS found in apartment, along with 147 THC cartridges and cash. If the THC was pure, that is a LOT of money, as they are not cheap.

People on twitter of course are screaming frame up and he wouldn't do it while testifying. Um, Prosecutor and Merrit said he was their golden boy, he probably felt safer than ever dealing, having them on HIS side if anything happened.

Difficult to keep up with the flipping of thought here.
J's testimonywasn't important, now it's so important he'd believe the State & LE considered him their golden "boy," and would look the other way about his (alleged) drug dealing.

JB wasn't afraid of testifying because Morris might come after him. Heck. Being a black man testifying against a white female cop in a nationally televised trial while being hunted down by a killer made it SAFER to deal drugs.

The head spins.

 

[kittythehare]

Difficult to keep up with the flipping of thought here.
J's testimonywasn't important, now it's so important he'd believe the State & LE considered him their golden "boy," and would look the other way about his (alleged) drug dealing.

JB wasn't afraid of testifying because Morris might come after him. Heck. Being a black man testifying against a white female cop in a nationally televised trial while being hunted down by a killer made it SAFER to deal drugs.

The head spins.

Flipping thoughts is both appropriate and great, IMO.
Sleuthing is a process, many cul-de-sacs to enter and re-enter when we are working entirely in the dark.

 

[kittythehare]

Well Bloody Hell. Still don't understand why he wasn't given witness protection. In either of these two cases.
MOO

might have been offered and offer may have been declined.

 

[kittythehare]

Seattle1 said :

Apologies this quote isn't showing correctly.

Agreed. ^^^
Wonder if anyone has called him out in other sites besides WS ?

not enough

 

[Seattle1]

might have been offered and offer may have been declined.

I must say protection by the DA's office would have curbed JB's style.... hard to deal with the law by your side. Just sayin...

 

[Kakidoll]

Difficult to keep up with the flipping of thought here.
J's testimonywasn't important, now it's so important he'd believe the State & LE considered him their golden "boy," and would look the other way about his (alleged) drug dealing.

JB wasn't afraid of testifying because Morris might come after him. Heck. Being a black man testifying against a white female cop in a nationally televised trial while being hunted down by a killer made it SAFER to deal drugs.

The head spins.

No flipping of thought on MY end. I'm just repeating how some are/were portraying him. First it was 'key witness', then Merritt spouts about how he was number one in civil suit .... Was his testimony truly important? Guess how it was spun could have been. Half seem to think it HELPED AG and didn't hurt her at all.

I think he was low level enough that yes, they turned a blind eye because they goal was AG being put away. He was SCARED from his LAST shooting, again, possibly about drugs. And he DID state he was afraid of testifying SUPPOSEDLY to Pros. about the Nov 18 shooting. He wasn't the sweet innocent boy Merritt started off talking about after he was shot. Unless of course you still believe he was shot in the mouth by the DPD. Again... you want to make it about race. Black on Black crime is much more prevalent, especially with it being drug/gang related. And yes, he probably did feel a bit safer because he now had 'friends' in Merritt and crew. JMO Which, btw, i am entitled to.

 

[Seattle1]

From bolded part: could this be used for AG to appeal? Her attorneys could say, Joshua Brown “could” have been under the influence of drugs, so then his testimony could not be trusted.

I think more like felony, not credible because engaged in criminal activities to felony level.
Could get dirty if he was promised any 'breaks' for testifying...
Reflects poorly on the prosecution and their 'desperation' to get a conviction after this most reasonable murder by amber'
could go south that way, but speculating .

I don't think JB's activity would help AB's appeal for a couple of reasons: First, JB testified he had felony conviction for possession. And second, to be honest, I actually agree with Merritt that JB's testimony was duplicative -- others could and did testify similar to his account-- except that JB's proximity to BR's apartment was relevant here.

MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Question.....

Could this have an impact if she appeals the case? Credibility of witness?

 

[Hope4More]

Flipping thoughts is both appropriate and great, IMO.
Sleuthing is a process, many cul-de-sacs to enter and re-enter when we are working entirely in the dark.

I have a PhD in flipping thoughts, as many WSers here over the years could readily attest to. But my flipping thoughts have never included making negative assumptions about a victim's character.

Joshua Brown was a victim. He wasn't an "inner city gang-ster." He was an educated, well liked young man who made a bad choice about how to make a living. Weed. Not an opiate dealer like DRs across the US, for example, still peddling as the bodies piled up.

I'm sorry for Brown's family. I can't imagine losing a son. I'm relieved for Botham's family, that they don't have to carry the burden of thinking their son's death in any way caused or led to Brown's murder.

The investigation of Brown's death should definitely be monitored, at least, by an agency independent of Dallas LE. For the good of the entire community, including Dallas LE.

And ....AirBnB properties number in the millions. Sometimes an AirBnB is just an AirBnB.

 

[Aydrianna523]

No flipping of thought on MY end. I'm just repeating how some are/were portraying him. First it was 'key witness', then Merritt spouts about how he was number one in civil suit .... Was his testimony truly important? Guess how it was spun could have been. Half seem to think it HELPED AG and didn't hurt her at all.

I think he was low level enough that yes, they turned a blind eye because they goal was AG being put away. He was SCARED from his LAST shooting, again, possibly about drugs. And he DID state he was afraid of testifying SUPPOSEDLY to Pros. about the Nov 18 shooting. He wasn't the sweet innocent boy Merritt started off talking about after he was shot. Unless of course you still believe he was shot in the mouth by the DPD. Again... you want to make it about race. Black on Black crime is much more prevalent, especially with it being drug/gang related. And yes, he probably did feel a bit safer because he now had 'friends' in Merritt and crew. JMO Which, btw, i am entitled to.

I mostly agree with what you said. Most of our 'jumping the gun' is from not having all the facts. We try to guess from personal experience or our readings. And we're not very patient to wait it out.
I'm not sure about drugs being bigger in the black community, though. It's possible about the gang thing, though, but I never read up on it.
One thing I absolutely do know, though, is that drugs are terrible EVERYWHERE.

 

[kittythehare]

He's still a victim.
He was so unfortunate with the path that bullet took.. upwards and destroying vital organs prior to lodging somewhere, possibly inoperable..
I wonder what kind of a bullet it was? Thinking 'exploding' bullets but no evidence for that.

 

[Seattle1]

Diggs’ brother, Bruce, told CBS 11 News that Brown was the intended target that early morning and his brother “was actually trying to break up the fight” when he was shot and killed.

^^ SBM

Thanks for posting updated link confirming what seemed most likely based on earliest account of incident: Victim ND, Morris, and suspect shooter reportedly were celebrating birthday together at numerous clubs Thanksgiving night. Seemed obvious that JB was the target of shooting-- following his street fight with suspect.

 

[Kakidoll]

I mostly agree with what you said. Most of our 'jumping the gun' is from not having all the facts. We try to guess from personal experience or our readings. And we're not very patient to wait it out.
I'm not sure about drugs being bigger in the black community, though. It's possible about the gang thing, though, but I never read up on it.
One thing I absolutely do know, though, is that drugs are terrible EVERYWHERE.

absolutely agree that drugs are everywhere. I'm talking violence within the drug scene, inner city, etc where more killings take place. It seems from statistics, its more death from overdoses in suburbs, although I know in Florida the gangs are spreading to the suburbs now. It's an epidemic. We have more of a hispanic presence with the gang scene though.

 

[CHEL]

Okay. But that would place him in a pretty low rung on the hierarchical ladder still... more like a very local dealer with not so many clients, just enough to get by, make a profit...?
Not enough for 3 to travel all the way from Louisiana (spell?)
IF they were merely travelling for weed?

BUT- reasons for my nitpicking questions- was he low enough on the rung to be missed by local drugs task forces?

People have been arguing back and forth about his testimony and how relevant it really was.
I believe it was very relevant because of the acoustics... also, because of his activities he would have an inherent sense of caution... dealing. Cops, Being on constant look-out. He'd have more keenly attuned senses than others, occupational hazard.
How much weight did the law give to his testimony- is she gonna walk?
Hermus said he didn't have to be there.
I believe this to be true.
There was apparently nothing to be gained for himself personally by attending except for the possibility that the police would take any 'heat' that was on him off, at least temporarily....

I'm from Alexandria, LA and it is FULL of drugs. There is no way they were going solely for weed.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm from Alexandria, LA and it is FULL of drugs. There is no way they were going solely for weed.

what's the street cost for an ounce of good weed?

 

[Aydrianna523]

absolutely agree that drugs are everywhere. I'm talking violence within the drug scene, inner city, etc where more killings take place. It seems from statistics, its more death from overdoses in suburbs, although I know in Florida the gangs are spreading to the suburbs now. It's an epidemic. We have more of a hispanic presence with the gang scene though.

Yes, I'm not big city so not too aware at all. There are a few drug, theft, and domestic-related murders here, but no gangs.

 

[nrdsb4]

This is not the first time Mr. Merritt has used social media to advance an agenda prior to having all of the relevant information.

After Trooper Falsely Accused Of Rape, Officer With Same Name Gets Death Threats

 

[Aydrianna523]

absolutely agree that drugs are everywhere. I'm talking violence within the drug scene, inner city, etc where more killings take place. It seems from statistics, its more death from overdoses in suburbs, although I know in Florida the gangs are spreading to the suburbs now. It's an epidemic. We have more of a hispanic presence with the gang scene though.

I think you got that right. That's what the National Gang Center said when I googled it.

 

[bwt42]

He's still a victim.
He was so unfortunate with the path that bullet took.. upwards and destroying vital organs prior to lodging somewhere, possibly inoperable..
I wonder what kind of a bullet it was? Thinking 'exploding' bullets but no evidence for that.

Does he still have victim status?