TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[Seattle1]

I really dont understand the baseline of these lawsuits.

Iirc. At one time the only way certain claims could be successful was when the plaintiffs could prove by the death of their love one they had lost monetary funds since their loved one had supported them monetarily at the time of their death.

So of course if the deceased had fully supported his or her children or partner they would have lost their parental or partner's affection, and funds needed to support them.

But it seems now anyone can file a lawsuit.

As I said, I dont know the end or outs about the many lawsuits recently. I just know at one time the threshold to file one seemed different.

Jmho

Agree -- also believe that financial support from victim plays a part in determining who can sue for wrongful death in US District court. There's definitely a statutory pecking order here. Most likely still a factor in compensatory damages.

Also, I was surprised to read that Texas law restricts damages for municipalities at $250,000 per person and $500,000 per incident of death.

When suing an individual for wrongful death -- I'm not certain about compensatory damages but the dollar cap for punitive damage is $200,000.

Dallas likely won't be held liable in lawsuit over Guyger case, attorneys say

Wrongful Death Claims in Texas: State Law, Damage Caps & Statutes

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I must say protection by the DA's office would have curbed JB's style.... hard to deal with the law by your side. Just sayin...

I took a long break this afternoon, but thank goodness our sweet D-I-L was sitting beside me, and our TV was on when the DPD PC was being held.

I was happy to know an arrest had been made..then I was shocked by what was being reported about what really had occured.

Now I realize Joshua wouldn't have ever wanted the police near him, protecting him, and now we know why.

I really had thought he was as a good of a young man like he was represented to be.

What will be interesting as the arrests goes forward is if the suspects, and attorneys use stand your ground defense since it's been reported Joshua fired first, iirc. In my haste, I may have that wrong.

The reason I'm wondering is I've seen winnable cases in Florida where drug gang members shot at the other drug member, and they returned fire killing the other one.

Some of those type of cases were won by the defendants, and were found NG.

Jmho

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Judge Kemp on CBS this morning in what they called an interview...really just a couple of seconds...she made it clear she is first and foremost a christian and it was the "christian" thing to do...says Guyger asked for the hugs. There are clearly two camps here as far as her actions...public sentiment is on her side...but her words today made me more clear in my belief that she crossed a line. In fact I quess I don't understand her doing interviews on this topic either.

I think she's doing interviews because she's been under attack. Everyone was thrilled with the conviction. Then on the day of sentencing, one camp lost their minds over an act of grace and kindness. moo

 

[kittythehare]

Does he still have victim status?

Joshua Brown was murdered.
That makes him a victim.
Even if his lifestyle choices contributed to his murder, he is a victim now, IMO

 

[Aydrianna523]

Joshua Brown was murdered.
That makes him a victim.
Even if his lifestyle choices contributed to his murder, he is a victim now, IMO

If anyone has time to answer...
Did jb kill someone?
And was it just marijuana he was selling?
I remember reading above but forgot.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I took a long break this afternoon, but thank goodness our sweet D-I-L was sitting beside me, and our TV was on when the DPD PC was being held.

I was happy to know an arrest had been made..then I was shocked by what was being reported about what really had occured.

Now I realize Joshua wouldn't have ever wanted the police near him, protecting him, and now we know why.

I really had thought he was as a good of a young man like he was represented to be.

What will be interesting as the arrests goes forward is if the suspects, and attorneys use stand your ground defense since it's been reported Joshua fired first, iirc. In my haste, I may have that wrong.

The reason I'm wondering is I've seen winnable cases in Florida where drug gang members shot at the other drug member, and they returned fire killing the other one.

Some of those type of cases were won by the defendants, and were found NG.

Jmho

It begs the question, why was the character of the witness not permitted to be scrutinized on the stand? (As I've witnessed in every trial I've ever seen.)

 

[Seattle1]

I think she's doing interviews because she's been under attack. Everyone was thrilled with the conviction. Then on the day of sentencing, one camp lost their minds over an act of grace and kindness. moo

More than under attack -- Judge Tammy Kemp, of Texas' 204th District, is actually facing an ethics complaint from the Freedom From Religion Foundation for her reaction at the end of former Texas police officer Amber Guyger's trial.

Group files complaint against judge who gave Bible to, hugged officer Amber Guyger after her murder conviction

 

[MassGuy]

If anyone has time to answer...
Did jb kill someone?
And was it just marijuana he was selling?
I remember reading above but forgot.

All we’ve heard about was marijuana. The story is that he argued with with men he was dealing drugs to, and he shot one of them in the chest. One of the suspects returned fire, and they made off with JB’s backpack and gun.

 

[kittythehare]

If anyone has time to answer...
Did jb kill someone?
And was it just marijuana he was selling?
I remember reading above but forgot.

No, he shot one of the guys but the victim, was brought to hospital and survived nad is now singing like a canary, from what I gather.
We don't know yet what he was selling, he had 6 kgs of weed and 27 grams of thc in his apartment but the guy that killed him ran away with Joshua's haversack and his gun and the contents of the backpack have not been disclosed

 

[Aydrianna523]

No, he shot one of the guys but the victim, was brought to hospital and survived nad is now singing like a canary, from what I gather.
We don't know yet what he was selling, he had 6 kgs of weed and 27 grams of thc in his apartment but the guy that killed him ran away with Joshua's haversack and his gun and the contents of the backpack have not been disclosed

Thx for info.

 

[Kakidoll]

what's the street cost for an ounce of good weed?

just googling it, its showing 1500-2k for 1/2 a lb of street recreational. You make more if you sell smaller quantities... so going off low price of 1500, that would be 3k a lb and he had 12 lbs in the apt. 36k right there, not including the THC. Who knows how much he moved. The places where he 'managed' the airbnb's is prime for trafficking. Atlanta, CA. They bring it in, he goes to check the airbnb, its a drop off spot, he brings it back to Dallas, VERY easy setup for transporting back and forth. Remember, Merritt said he was an Entrepreneur. He had to be dealing with someone to get that amount. And we still don't know what was in the backpack. That may have been what was being sold and the other 12 etc was for someone else... or multiple 'someone elses'.

I think he intentionally dressed 'young' and was 'acting' while on the stand. Yes, this is ONLY my opinion. But it made him look like a teenager and garnered sympathy for him. I think he used that to his advantage. Even going over the dates of where he was and when didn't add up for me. I think as they dig, more will come out. And while he was a 'victim', if he was the initial shooter in this incident and was shot in return, to ME, there is a different distinction in how much a 'victim' one is, when you are involved in criminal activity. And i'll admit, i'm pro LE. I'm hard on criminal activity and don't have much of a gray area. I've seen too much in working with them, and the actions of others, that I just don't have the sympathy/empathy for the criminal element. Too many innocent people are hurt/killed at the expense of those that don't care about the law.

 

[kittythehare]

just googling it, its showing 1500-2k for 1/2 a lb of street recreational. You make more if you sell smaller quantities... so going off low price of 1500, that would be 3k a lb and he had 12 lbs in the apt. 36k right there, not including the THC. Who knows how much he moved. The places where he 'managed' the airbnb's is prime for trafficking. Atlanta, CA. They bring it in, he goes to check the airbnb, its a drop off spot, he brings it back to Dallas, VERY easy setup for transporting back and forth. Remember, Merritt said he was an Entrepreneur. He had to be dealing with someone to get that amount. And we still don't know what was in the backpack. That may have been what was being sold and the other 12 etc was for someone else... or multiple 'someone elses'.

I think he intentionally dressed 'young' and was 'acting' while on the stand. Yes, this is ONLY my opinion. But it made him look like a teenager and garnered sympathy for him. I think he used that to his advantage. Even going over the dates of where he was and when didn't add up for me. I think as they dig, more will come out. And while he was a 'victim', if he was the initial shooter in this incident and was shot in return, to ME, there is a different distinction in how much a 'victim' one is, when you are involved in criminal activity. And i'll admit, i'm pro LE. I'm hard on criminal activity and don't have much of a gray area. I've seen too much in working with them, and the actions of others, that I just don't have the sympathy/empathy for the criminal element. Too many innocent people are hurt/killed at the expense of those that don't care about the law.

Thanks for checking that out. Good God, it's exorbitant!
I would have expected it to cost , at most $20 per gramme..
Here it costs about e50 for 2-4 grammes. (not too hot on the math but think there's 28 in an oz. but don't trust my left brain equations about anything, ever)
Thanks a lot for looking that up.

 

[nrdsb4]

What will be interesting as the arrests goes forward is if the suspects, and attorneys use stand your ground defense since it's been reported Joshua fired first, iirc. In my haste, I may have that wrong.

The reason I'm wondering is I've seen winnable cases in Florida where drug gang members shot at the other drug member, and they returned fire killing the other one.

Some of those type of cases were won by the defendants, and were found NG.

Jmho

To raise the Texas stand your ground law defense, the person must be able to show that they didn’t provoke the person who attacked them. They must also be able to show that they weren’t breaking any laws at the time of the incident.

https://www.brodenmickelsen.com/blog/texas-stand-ground-law-explained/

 

[Seattle1]

It begs the question, why was the character of the witness not permitted to be scrutinized on the stand? (As I've witnessed in every trial I've ever seen.)

Actually, I'm not sure questioning the character of witness was not permitted here.

Given that JB testified that he was convicted of misdemeanor theft, and felony possession -- what more could defense question about his character that would be relevant to what he saw/heard from across the hallway.

IMO, much of JB's testimony was favorable to AG. JB testified that he too had gone to the wrong apartment floor by mistake, and heard AG and BR's voices -- except he did not hear AG loudly command BR show his hands.

As you've probably witnessed in every trial -- judge always states it's up to jury to decide upon the credibility of a witness.

MOO

 

[bwt42]

Joshua Brown was murdered.
That makes him a victim.
Even if his lifestyle choices contributed to his murder, he is a victim now, IMO

Is he a victim per TOS? If so, he's not being treated like one. I know in the Jesse Smollett case he went from victim to not so much.

 

[nrdsb4]

Is he a victim per TOS? If so, he's not being treated like one. I know in the Jesse Smollett case he went from victim to not so much.

If the alleged actions are true, he was a perpetrator first, victim second. I would think that would differ from the typical victim the TOS are designed to protect. Perhaps a mod's perspective would be helpful here.

We are early into the timeline of the investigation, and I imagine more facts remain to be communicated by the investigative agencies.

 

[Seattle1]

If anyone has time to answer...
Did jb kill someone?
And was it just marijuana he was selling?
I remember reading above but forgo

All we’ve heard about was marijuana. The story is that he argued with with men he was dealing drugs to, and he shot one of them in the chest. One of the suspects returned fire, and they made off with JB’s backpack and gun.

Also -- JB didn't kill anyone in this incident.

JB reportedly shot suspect Mitchell in the chest after ordering him to get back in the car.

Mitchell was driven to a hospital by other suspects, and was reportedly transferred to another hospital where he's in police custody. No reports his injury is life threatening.

ETA: No report during presser that suspect Mitchell's injury life threatening.

 

[dub]

just googling it, its showing 1500-2k for 1/2 a lb of street recreational. You make more if you sell smaller quantities... so going off low price of 1500, that would be 3k a lb and he had 12 lbs in the apt. 36k right there, not including the THC. Who knows how much he moved. The places where he 'managed' the airbnb's is prime for trafficking. Atlanta, CA. They bring it in, he goes to check the airbnb, its a drop off spot, he brings it back to Dallas, VERY easy setup for transporting back and forth. Remember, Merritt said he was an Entrepreneur. He had to be dealing with someone to get that amount. And we still don't know what was in the backpack. That may have been what was being sold and the other 12 etc was for someone else... or multiple 'someone elses'.

I think he intentionally dressed 'young' and was 'acting' while on the stand. Yes, this is ONLY my opinion. But it made him look like a teenager and garnered sympathy for him. I think he used that to his advantage. Even going over the dates of where he was and when didn't add up for me. I think as they dig, more will come out. And while he was a 'victim', if he was the initial shooter in this incident and was shot in return, to ME, there is a different distinction in how much a 'victim' one is, when you are involved in criminal activity. And i'll admit, i'm pro LE. I'm hard on criminal activity and don't have much of a gray area. I've seen too much in working with them, and the actions of others, that I just don't have the sympathy/empathy for the criminal element. Too many innocent people are hurt/killed at the expense of those that don't care about the law.

Not to nitpick, but weed price is not linear as quantity increases.

If an ounce costs $350 (which I'd guess is about right for Louisiana) and a pound--16oz--is 3K as you said (which I also think is about right), then it would probably be in the ballpark of 5k for one kilo, and maybe something like 20K for all six. Maybe less than that.

It's still a lot, to be sure, but I'm confident it's not close to 36K.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

If anyone has time to answer...
Did jb kill someone?
And was it just marijuana he was selling?
I remember reading above but forgot.

It's undeniable that choices sometimes put individuals at greater or lesser risk. That holds true across many situations, from professions, hobbies, eating choices, friendships, and dozens more.

Yes, he's as much of a victim as the last time he was shot. Tragically, he was shot again, and this time it was fatal. I think the people who are struggling are trying to come to terms with the difference between his real life and how they perceive he was portrayed on the witness stand. Perhaps, adding to their surprise is the contrast when compared to the details that came out at sentencing of the defendant. Her worst comments and most salacious moments were laid bare for the entire world to consume. Yes, she was the one on trial. However, usually a witness's character is scrutinized somewhat on the stand in cross.

 

[LadyL]

This makes me so sad . . .

Joshua Brown, a witness during the Amber Guyger murder trial, was killed in a drug deal, sources say
Arrest warrants have been issued for two suspects in connection with the death of Joshua Brown, who testified at the trial of former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger, according to several officials with knowledge of the investigation.
Joshua Brown, a witness during the Amber Guyger murder trial, was killed in a drug deal, sources say

annnnnnnnnd there it is