TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[Lillymac]

Is there a shortage of good weed in Louisiana?
Any good reason to travel for it?

They probably were in town for the State Fair!

 

[dub]

They collected 12 LBS from inside his apartment, not counting the 43 or so vials of THC. That is where i got my numbers from.

Right. 12 pounds is around 6 kilos. (Actually about 5.5, but I wasn't considering the exact math). We're working with the same numbers.

I do not have the first clue what the vials of THC cost, and was not factoring that in.

 

[jjenny]

Is there a shortage of good weed in Louisiana?
Any good reason to travel for it?

I know nothing about shortage of illegal drugs in any state, or prices of drugs varying from state to state, so can't really contribute to that discussion. Wee is now legal in some states, still illegal in others, but I don't think there is a difference between TX and Louisiana in that regard?

 

[Kakidoll]

Entrepreneur. LOL. That was number one tip off for me right at the beginning. I was LMAO the whole time. It seems JB lived a pretty nice lifestyle. Didn't think managing a couple properties would be very lucrative to afford that. All the info was out there as to what the final answer was going to be if people wanted to open their eyes. IMO.

Yes! THIS EXACTLY. And to manage an Airbnb in 3 different states??? I couldn't understand why people weren't questioning more. The dates of where he lived and how long he lived there also didn't add up. That jumped out at me right away.

 

[kittythehare]

So, the current story is the three guys came from Louisiana to buy some "drugs" (weed, it sounds like) from Joshua. Joshua shoots Jacquerious so Thaddeous shoots and kills Joshua with Thaddeous and Michael escaping the scene. It also says, "Each of the three men faces a capital murder charge". Why would Thaddeous be charged?

I totally get the victim friendly thing as victims aren't responsible for the actions of their killers but this tendency to make victims out like stellar citizens or even saints is silly. Sounds like Joshua came close to being a murderer, himself - that is, if this version of events is accurate. If it is, why did Joshua shoot Thaddeous?

Good points, well made.

 

[Seattle1]

If the alleged actions are true, he was a perpetrator first, victim second. I would think that would differ from the typical victim the TOS are designed to protect. Perhaps a mod's perspective would be helpful here.

We are early into the timeline of the investigation, and I imagine more facts remain to be communicated by the investigative agencies.

Yes -- it is early in the investigation, yet it seems you are believing that JB was the perpetrator, based only on the suspect(s) account, and therefore JB cannot be a "first" victim.

Impossible to hear JB's side of the story.

If true there was a physical altercation between JB and suspect, what if this suspect pulled a gun on JB, and he shot him in self defense.

What if second suspect got out of vehicle with a gun aimed at JB, and he shot the suspect in self defense.

We also know that suspects fled with JB's back pack and gun.

What if suspects showed up at apartment, and robbed JB at gunpoint, and again JB feared for his life, and shot in self defense.

After all -- there were three suspects against one.

And not saying that JB could not have been the perpetrator, I just think there are still too many unknown details to be certain that he was the perpetrator -- and therefore downgraded to a "second" grade victim.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

They probably were in town for the State Fair!

with guns.

 

[BellaVita]

I think it has more to do with a judge's association with a cop than anything else. Otherwise I don't think it would have been a big deal....

It would have been a big deal. Everything is a big deal to these people if they get wind of it. JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Yea, I know, JB is dead, so it would make sense for a suspect in the hospital to claim he was shot first and the other guy shot JB in self-defense, and there is no one who is alive would would contradict it, I presume. So who knows what was the real sequence of events?

 

[Aydrianna523]

Yes! THIS EXACTLY. And to manage an Airbnb in 3 different states??? I couldn't understand why people weren't questioning more. The dates of where he lived and how long he lived there also didn't add up. That jumped out at me right away.

Oh. Our manager travels, so i didn't pick up on it.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I got nothing

 

[dub]

was 27 grams of thc in vials far as I recall, that's less than an ounce.

The article I read said 143 grams, but either way thc in cartridges is concentrate, it's way stronger and the weight doesn't equate to the value in the same way.

Like, really strong weed (actual buds) is in the range of 25-30% thc. At least at dispensaries in legal states, that liquid concentrate is commonly 80% and at times in the mid 90s. If the cartridge liquid was produced illicitly I have no idea how strong it would be though (likely lower than that, but I guess depends on the skill of whoever is making it).

 

[Kakidoll]

Right. 12 pounds is around 6 kilos. (Actually about 5.5, but I wasn't considering the exact math). We're working with the same numbers.

I do not have the first clue what the vials of THC cost, and was not factoring that in.

Since i have no idea what they are really stating with that, i don't dare guess. Only thing i do know is moving Pot from Cali (some coming from Hawaii) and getting it to other states, USED to be a big deal. WHERE it comes from originally could be the price difference. I'm no expert by any means. I just googled and it gave me a price on gram thru lb, Louisana and then broke it down by medical/legal, street recreational etc. I used median numbers to estimate. People absolutely will kill over 30k.... and that was just want was found inside the apartment, the backpack is still missing. We have clue what is in there, except for the injured participant stating that the gun JB had was in there too. Could be other drugs, could have been cash. Hopefully it will be found but i'm not taking bets on that.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Yea, I know, JB is dead, so it would make sense for a suspect in the hospital to claim he was shot first and the other guy shot JB in self-defense, and there is no one who is alive would would contradict it, I presume. So who knows what was the real sequence of events?

Yes, I don't think that can be proved. Did the perps steal the drugs then? Or is that also unknown. Sorry. I can't keep up.

 

[nrdsb4]

Also -- JB didn't kill anyone in this incident.

JB reportedly shot suspect Mitchell in the chest after ordering him to get back in the car.

Mitchell was driven to a hospital by other suspects, and was reportedly transferred to another hospital where he's in police custody. No reports his injury is life threatening.

BBM;

Jacquerious Mitchell is in a Dallas hospital in “critical condition,” police said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...f583c8-e9f8-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

Usually "critical condition" indicates a life threatening condition. But we don't know if this description came from the hospital or if it was the police department representative's interpretation.

It seems that the DPD was getting information from the shooting victim. If he is not intubated, is lucid, and is able to talk, the severity of his condition may have been exaggerated. Hard to know at present.

What do "stable," "critical," and other medical conditions mean?

 

[Artis]

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Had he lived, he'd be charged with a fistful of felonies. They'd probably all be charged with attempted murder had he lived and all other circumstances remained the same. It seems in most states that it is murder if it occurs during the commission of a felony. Somebody upthread mentioned seeing some exceptions to this in Florida. So there probably are other states that allow one to argue self-defense. But imoo, most states charge with murder everyone involved when someone dies during the commission of a felony.

I don't know the laws in Texas but if the weed transaction was a "commission of a felony", does that mean the guy that got shot (victim) is automatically charged in a subsequent murder? I guess so! If he dies, will he be a felon because of the weed transaction gone wrong and also in the case of his own death (if dies), co-guilty in his own murder? Sheesh.

I'm gonna guess that something prompted Joshua to shoot him. Maybe they argued about prices or were going to rob him. I suppose we'll never know.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Yea, I know, JB is dead, so it would make sense for a suspect in the hospital to claim he was shot first and the other guy shot JB in self-defense, and there is no one who is alive would would contradict it, I presume. So who knows what was the real sequence of events?

I sure hope we are able to find out. I would think after a thorough investigation, LE will be able to tell who shot first by the trajectory of the bullets. If Joshua shot suspect Mitchell in the chest after ordering him to get back in the car, the bullet should have entered at a slight downward trajectory I would think. If JB was shot first, I imagine he would have fallen or at least have been slumped forward when he returned fire. In that case the bullets should be traveling upward. Hopefully.

 

[kittythehare]

BBM;



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...f583c8-e9f8-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html

Usually "critical condition" indicates a life threatening condition. But we don't know if this description came from the hospital or if it was the police department representative's interpretation.

It seems that the DPD was getting information from the shooting victim. If he is not intubated, is lucid, and is able to talk, the severity of his condition may have been exaggerated. Hard to know at present.

What do "stable," "critical," and other medical conditions mean?

It is quite possible and even likely that there are several witnesses.
That was an extraordinarily fast bust.

 

[nrdsb4]

Yes, I don't think that can be proved. Did the perps steal the drugs then? Or is that also unknown. Sorry. I can't keep up.

It's possible the autopsy could shed light on that question. In other words, would it be possible, given his injuries, to fire at the other man after being shot?

It may not give a definitive answer, and yes, I agree that the testimony of an admitted criminal might well be slanted to mitigate the behavior of his associates.

 

[kittythehare]

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I don't know the laws in Texas but if the weed transaction was a "commission of a felony", does that mean the guy that got shot (victim) is automatically charged in a subsequent murder? I guess so! If he dies, will he be a felon because of the weed transaction gone wrong and also in the case of his own death (if dies), co-guilty in his own murder? Sheesh.

I'm gonna guess that something prompted Joshua to shoot him. Maybe they argued about prices or were going to rob him. I suppose we'll never know.

I wonder how quickly after meeting did the argument start?