TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

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  • #781
Can't work myself up to feeling much empathy. I'll save that for people like BJ who are innocently minding their own business when killed. When dealing drugs, getting killed is an occupational hazard. You know what you've signed up for.
ETA: Drug dealers really aren't great people most of the time. They're not scary to me. I've been around them and survived. But they're not great people. They are social deviants and not people you would really want to associate with. IMO.
 
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  • #782
I know we are on to other subjects, but i just wanted to clarify the Nov shooting logistics. The arrest affidavit said Diggs was one of the 3 celebrating a birthday, however according to JB's SM, he was JB's friend. Now, that's not to say Diggs wasn't friends with both sides. Not sure what we can post now, can JB FB post be posted on here?
 
  • #783
Can't work myself up to feeling much empathy. I'll save that for people like BJ who are innocently minding their own business when killed. When dealing drugs, getting killed is an occupational hazard. You know what you've signed up for.
ETA: Drug dealers really aren't great people most of the time. They're not scary to me. I've been around them and survived. But they're not great people. They are social deviants and not people you would really want to associate with. IMO.
At least you are honest and I think that's great.
I agree they're not good company...
but I'm frequently drowning in a sea of empathy to my own detriment and oftentimes without a firm anchoring in reality.
I cannot stand seeing vibrant lives quenched by murder, any murder, every murder. And everything else becomes a thing of no consequence at all, good ,bad or indifferent.
Sudden violent deaths with no time to prepare is the most awful thing.
 
  • #784
I know we are on to other subjects, but i just wanted to clarify the Nov shooting logistics. The arrest affidavit said Diggs was one of the 3 celebrating a birthday, however according to JB's SM, he was JB's friend. Now, that's not to say Diggs wasn't friends with both sides. Not sure what we can post now, can JB FB post be posted on here?
I didn't know.. MMorris and Diggs were friends. I never checked Joshua's friendlist for their names, but I have a feeling I did check theirs for Joshua.. I spent about 2 days on it and brain fried..
 
  • #785
I think it has more to do with a judge's association with a cop than anything else. Otherwise I don't think it would have been a big deal....

Judge Kemp was given an exceptionally difficult case to preside over. It had everything, gender issues, racial issues, a raucous political climate as a backdrop, and then throw in that it happened in Texas, in Dallas, and the situation involved a gun and an officer who fired it. Judge Kemp flawlessly manages all parties fairly. Everyone is happy, and then she hugs the sobbing defendant before she's carted off to prison and hands her a Bible. The media explodes.

Bella Vita hit the nail on the head...God forbid anyone mention their Christian faith or hand out a Bible and give a hug. Our money and most court houses still have imprinted on them "In God We Trust." If you're not a Christian, you might not like it. If you're not a person of faith, you might not like it. But collectively as a country, in times of strife and heartache, global depressions and recessions, through natural and man-made disasters, and throughout towns large and small every Sunday, you'll see the majority of us who profess faith turn to and worship the same God. Most of us you'll never see championing a cause or heading a rally. It's not because our faith is weak or our beliefs soft, it's because most of us prefer peace over arguments, private resolutions over lawsuits, and praying over worrying.

That doesn't mean if you're of another faith you can't come here. In fact, I'd welcome you as my neighbor. But, where your faith is concerned, you will be in the minority, and no amount of hollering about it is going to change that. That doesn't make me a bigot or a racist or judgmental or any number of other ugly terms because I refuse to embrace other religions. Proud Americans are tired of apologizing for being proud to be American, and Christians are equally tired of being called wrong for any display of what we hold right and dear. But make no mistake about how fervent are our beliefs. There's a reason that without hesitation Judge Kemp admits, foremost I'm a Christian.

It's a sad day in the U.S. when a black female Christian judge in Texas does an exceptional job presiding over a trial that will undoubtedly change (for the better) race relations and relations between communities and LE, and the social media PC mob is gunning for her within the hour. They'll take up for the murdered drug dealing "entrepreneur," but the black female Christian judge who has fought prejudice on all sides her whole life, well, she just keeps being faithful and fighting more prejudice, this time from another side.
 
  • #786
I didn't know.. MMorris and Diggs were friends. I never checked Joshua's friendlist for their names, but I have a feeling I did check theirs for Joshua.. I spent about 2 days on it and brain fried..

Can we bring posts from JB FB posts on here? Direct quotes from him about the Nov. shooting?
 
  • #787
It is quite possible and even likely that there are several witnesses.
That was an extraordinarily fast bust.
I’ve been wondering that myself. JB’s father had stated LE told him they were fielding many tips. So I have thought since then that there were people out there that had info.
Also, I really think there were likely surveillance cameras, and street cameras around that they could track the car. Especially around the hospital where he was dropped off.
Lastly, this shooting hit the news pretty quickly so i’m Sure the hospital alerted authorities when the gun shot victim/murderer/patient arrived. There was probably eye witnesses to his drop off there as well. LE probably had to wait a couple of days for that “patient” to be stable and responsive enough to talk.
I’m honestly not sure who is victim and who is the murderer in this case. I’m used to 20 yr old young gun shot patients being “victims”. In this case he’s suffering from a gun shot wound to the chest but he’s charged with murder so I guess he’s not a victim? I’m sticking with “the patient” and “the deceased”. MOO
 
  • #788
Judge Kemp was given an exceptionally difficult case to p

That doesn't mean if you're of another faith you can't come here. In fact, I'd welcome you as my neighbor. But, where your faith is concerned, you will be in the minority, and no amount of hollering about it is going to change that. That doesn't make me a bigot or a racist or judgmental or any number of other ugly terms because I refuse to embrace other religions. Proud Americans are tired of apologizing for being proud to be American, and Christians are equally tired of being called wrong for any display of what we hold right and dear. But make no mistake about how fervent are our beliefs. There's a reason that without hesitation Judge Kemp admits, foremost I'm a Christian.

It's a sad day in the U.S. when a black female Christian judge in Texas does an exceptional job presiding over a trial that will undoubtedly change (for the better) race relations and relations between communities and LE, and the social media PC mob is gunning for her within the hour. They'll take up for the murdered drug dealing "entrepreneur," but the black female Christian judge who has fought prejudice on all sides her whole life, well, she just keeps being faithful and fighting more prejudice, this time from another side.

I am NOT Christian, nor traditionally religious, and even call 'racist' on this thread, but i thought it was exceptional and touching and i was moved to tear by it all. I think the judge did exactly what was needed after Brandt's testimony and hug of AG. I have NO problem with her giving the bible. I think there was more peace, more humanity, and more OPENNESS in that courtroom that day than i have seen anywhere in this country in a LONG LONG time. And i wish it would continue.
 
  • #789
I am NOT Christian, nor traditionally religious, and even call 'racist' on this thread, but i thought it was exceptional and touching and i was moved to tear by it all. I think the judge did exactly what was needed after Brandt's testimony and hug of AG. I have NO problem with her giving the bible. I think there was more peace, more humanity, and more OPENNESS in that courtroom that day than i have seen anywhere in this country in a LONG LONG time. And i wish it would continue.

Amen!
 
  • #790
At least you are honest and I think that's great.
I agree they're not good company...
but I'm frequently drowning in a sea of empathy to my own detriment and oftentimes without a firm anchoring in reality.
I cannot stand seeing vibrant lives quenched by murder, any murder, every murder. And everything else becomes a thing of no consequence at all, good ,bad or indifferent.
Sudden violent deaths with no time to prepare is the most awful thing.
BBM: The lives of drug dealers really aren't vibrant. They're drowning themselves in the quest for fast money. "Fast money spends fast". Life can't be vibrant when you are always looking over your shoulder. I'm not saying there can never be redemption because there can be. I know there is if it is sought. But usually, continued violation of the law speaks to character disorder that can't be fixed. IMO.
 
  • #791
Yes! THIS EXACTLY. And to manage an Airbnb in 3 different states??? I couldn't understand why people weren't questioning more. The dates of where he lived and how long he lived there also didn't add up. That jumped out at me right away.
I posted earlier that maybe the guy that bonded out for $25000 was managing 3 Airbnb"s. Round about way of saying I doubted the lifestyle managing 3 airnb's
 
  • #792
I wonder how that affects Guyger's potential retrial. Was JB asked on the stand what he did for a living?
 
  • #793
Can't work myself up to feeling much empathy. I'll save that for people like BJ who are innocently minding their own business when killed. When dealing drugs, getting killed is an occupational hazard. You know what you've signed up for.
ETA: Drug dealers really aren't great people most of the time. They're not scary to me. I've been around them and survived. But they're not great people. They are social deviants and not people you would really want to associate with. IMO.

The issue though, is was he shot because he was identified and testified during the Amber Guyger trial?

That needs to be determined. If so, this is really an issue. Was JM in danger from people who were able to find him because he was part of the Amber Guyger trial?

No wonder minorities just want to mind their own business and stay out of courtroom situations, even when testifying in a situation that is not directly related to them.
 
  • #794
Judge Kemp was given an exceptionally difficult case to preside over. It had everything, gender issues, racial issues, a raucous political climate as a backdrop, and then throw in that it happened in Texas, in Dallas, and the situation involved a gun and an officer who fired it. Judge Kemp flawlessly manages all parties fairly. Everyone is happy, and then she hugs the sobbing defendant before she's carted off to prison and hands her a Bible. The media explodes.

Bella Vita hit the nail on the head...God forbid anyone mention their Christian faith or hand out a Bible and give a hug. Our money and most court houses still have imprinted on them "In God We Trust." If you're not a Christian, you might not like it. If you're not a person of faith, you might not like it. But collectively as a country, in times of strife and heartache, global depressions and recessions, through natural and man-made disasters, and throughout towns large and small every Sunday, you'll see the majority of us who profess faith turn to and worship the same God. Most of us you'll never see championing a cause or heading a rally. It's not because our faith is weak or our beliefs soft, it's because most of us prefer peace over arguments, private resolutions over lawsuits, and praying over worrying.

That doesn't mean if you're of another faith you can't come here. In fact, I'd welcome you as my neighbor. But, where your faith is concerned, you will be in the minority, and no amount of hollering about it is going to change that. That doesn't make me a bigot or a racist or judgmental or any number of other ugly terms because I refuse to embrace other religions. Proud Americans are tired of apologizing for being proud to be American, and Christians are equally tired of being called wrong for any display of what we hold right and dear. But make no mistake about how fervent are our beliefs. There's a reason that without hesitation Judge Kemp admits, foremost I'm a Christian.

It's a sad day in the U.S. when a black female Christian judge in Texas does an exceptional job presiding over a trial that will undoubtedly change (for the better) race relations and relations between communities and LE, and the social media PC mob is gunning for her within the hour. They'll take up for the murdered drug dealing "entrepreneur," but the black female Christian judge who has fought prejudice on all sides her whole life, well, she just keeps being faithful and fighting more prejudice, this time from another side.
1000X like. You have no clue. Thanks for articulating what I could not. I am sincerely in doubt of God but I appreciate what people of faith have to offer. And I 100% stand behind their right to express themselves. The world is a better place because of it.
 
  • #795
The issue though, is was he shot because he was identified and testified during the Amber Guyger trial?

That needs to be determined. If so, this is really an issue. Was JM in danger from people who were able to find him because he was part of the Amber Guyger trial?

No wonder minorities just want to mind their own business and stay out of courtroom situations, even when testifying in a situation that is not directly related to them.
It was a drug deal gone bad. JB had to have told them where to meet. Nothing to do with AG, IMO. This was an ongoing entrepreneurship. Nobody "found" JB. He was conducting business as usual.
 
  • #796
Can we bring posts from JB FB posts on here? Direct quotes from him about the Nov. shooting?

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  • #797
Yes. Hemp is used in shampoo, toothpaste, etc. It dOes not contain THC. But the biggest thing here is he was dealing. And it sounds like they were all armed. This is a huge no no. I'd like to know how the Louisiana people connected with him. Was he that well known?

I think dealing weed is the least of their worries -- all 3 suspects may be facing capital murder charges. This reminds me of another drug deal gone bad in El Paso, TX a couple years ago.

(Prosecution reminded the jury, that even if Mailland did not pull the trigger and it was Nava who pulled the trigger, that Mailland is still guilty of capital murder.

One of the prosecutors reminded the jury that when conspiring to commit a felony, and another felony occurs by one person, all people involved in the felony are guilty. "If you rob someone and you unintentionally kill him, it's felony murder. If you rob and intentionally kill him, it's capital murder," the prosecutor said).


Man convicted of Murder in 'drug deal gone bad' learns his punishment

Illegal activity can be a very small world, and like any sales industry, suspects probably believed JB offered the best price to suspects.
 
  • #798
The issue though, is was he shot because he was identified and testified during the Amber Guyger trial?

That needs to be determined. If so, this is really an issue. Was JM in danger from people who were able to find him because he was part of the Amber Guyger trial?

No wonder minorities just want to mind their own business and stay out of courtroom situations, even when testifying in a situation that is not directly related to them.

Considering he was very vocal on Social Media and easily found, i don't think the AG trial had a thing to do with it. He was involved in a drug deal of some type and it went bad, as they often do. He came out on the wrong end of the bullet this time, but got a shot off into someone else. Had he lived, he'd most likely be on trial soon, as will the other person who is in custody and will be after he recovers from his bullet wound. MOO
 
  • #799
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Thank you so much, that helps. Ok... I am not sure how to properly link so maybe a copy/paste?
Deleted link as it didn't work right.....

IF you go to JB's FB page, go to Nov 23/2018, there are a few posts related to the shooting and the friend that was killed. In his own words, bullet was meant for him.
 
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