TX - Joshua Brown, 27, (witness in Amber Guyger trial), shot and killed, Dallas, 4 Oct 2019

[Miya]

Here is what the lawyer claimed right after JB was killed. JB supposedly had no known enemies, and worked for a living (presumably implying what he did for a living was legal) Seems like not exactly an accurate description, is it?

“She suspects foul play and it is difficult to rule it out,” Merritt wrote. “He had no known enemies. He worked for a living. He was not in the streets. We need answers. Immediately.”
Joshua Brown, key witness in Amber Guyger murder trial and neighbor of Botham Jean, shot to death in Dallas

And they got them almost immediately. People like this guy are the reason why I stopped listening quite a long time ago, if you know what I mean. Too much crying wolf going on that could cause serious problems like riots with many people injured or killed. They never wait until more facts are coming out, they cry wolf and blame all the wrong people right away and then get angry when you start seeing through their game ...

 

[kittythehare]

And they got them almost immediately. People like this guy are the reason why I stopped listening quite a long time ago, if you know what I mean. Too much crying wolf going on that could cause serious problems like riots with many people injured or killed. They never wait until more facts are coming out, they cry wolf and blame all the wrong people right away and then get angry when you start seeing through their game ...

He refused to apologise as well.

 

[Seattle1]

Video evidence??

I'm thinking if there's video evidence of the street where incident went down, I think it must be poor quality because the unnamed shooter has not been identified in nearly a year.

 

[Miya]

He refused to apologise as well.

I know, that makes it so much more obvious that he was just trying to start something bad and that he knew from the beginning that everything he said was lies. And he doesn't care because he started this and now you have tons of people still blaming the police with their conspiracy theories - like the 3 guys where hired hit men and JB was an upstanding guy who never committed any crimes and of course police put the drugs in his apartment. I'm sure Merritt is very satisfied with himself.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

He refused to apologise as well.

Yup -- and instead of crediting the police for quick arrest, he wasted no time discounting DPD's work --citing that although he admits there's enough evidence supporting JB wasn't killed by DPD, says people won't believe it because the DPD lacks credibility, and the evidence undermined!

 

[Aydrianna523]

Also they had both been cited in noise complaints and the complainer has not been identified but was possibly Guyger.. had the evidence swung towards Murder1?That would only have concerned BothamJean though. No evidence was produced proving it was Guyger

I've missed a lot. They don't know who filed the noise complaint?

 

[Lillymac]

Also they had both been cited in noise complaints and the complainer has not been identified but was possibly Guyger.. had the evidence swung towards Murder1?That would only have concerned BothamJean though. No evidence was produced proving it was Guyger

The apartment manager testified AG had never complained about noise or anything about BJ.

 

[jjenny]

I've missed a lot. They don't know who filed the noise complaint?

Maybe nobody? Here is JB's theory why management really came.
"Me and Bo were both smoking weed, and we kind of knew that (apartment management) was coming to our door because of maybe the scent of the weed."
Joshua Brown: Key witness in the Amber Guyger murder trial met the violent death he feared - CNN

 

[jjenny]

The apartment manager testified AG had never complained about noise or anything about BJ.

Did anybody else complain?

 

[Lillymac]

Did anybody else complain?

The question to the manager was specifically about AG. Don't know if anyone else did. I don't recall that being asked.

 

[Charlot123]

Good 'gut feelings' on your part. I didn't pick up on it because the apartment mgr here in my town travels around the state to different ones...
On the other hand, most people seemed to have liked JB's persona. I guess I did. And no one thinks he lied. Plus there.
But I didn't realize the big, illegal business there was with marijuana. It seems like we hear more about meth, etc, these days.
Yes, I'm flitting around here. I also saw in the news today that they're getting ready to bring out a marijuana breathalyzer. I wondered how they would catch stoned drivers if it gets illegal here.
All just my 1.5 cents.

I was thinking about it when I read the proposed law in our state before voting. They had drawn u/a levels of THC up to a certain level that were considered OK to drive.

MOO - marijuana breathalyzer is probably not precise. The readings would depend on the amount of saliva, whether person is a tobacco smoker or not, and certain other things.

However, there is still field sobriety test. Look at alcohol law. Say, the driver smells of alcohol, but his BAL is 0.05%, which is below the "legal norm". Even with this "legit" BAL, the driver should not appears confused, drive poorly, and he has to perform field sobriety test in a decent way.

If stoners drive normally, perform field sobriety test well and behave adequately, just smell of MJ on their breath or in the car, the police will probably tend to be lenient. If they look stoned and can not perform the test, this alone might be the reason for a urinalysis in the police station and sending the specimen to a lab. Ultimately, it is not about drugs, it is about the person being a danger to self and others on the road.

 

[Lillymac]

I was thinking about it when I read the proposed law in our state before voting. They had drawn u/a levels of THC up to a certain level that were considered OK to drive.

MOO - marijuana breathalyzer is probably not precise. The readings would depend on the amount of saliva, whether person is a tobacco smoker or not, and certain other things.

However, there is still field sobriety test. Look at alcohol law. Say, the driver smells of alcohol, but his BAL is 0.05%, which is below the "legal norm". Even with this "legit" BAL, the driver should not appears confused, drive poorly, and he has to perform field sobriety test in a decent way.

If stoners drive normally, perform field sobriety test well and behave adequately, just smell of MJ on their breath or in the car, the police will probably tend to be lenient. If they look stoned and can not perform the test, this alone might be the reason for a urinalysis in the police station and sending the specimen to a lab. Ultimately, it is not about drugs, it is about the person being a danger to self and others on the road.

If they do smell it or suspect it, they also do a search of the vehicle. More often than not, they find either the dope or paraphernalia which is also illegal.

 

[grammieto5]

That’s not grounds for an appeal. In order to appeal there has to be a significant error on the application of the law by the judge or misconduct by either attorney.

Thank you, that's really good to know

 

[kittythehare]

I've missed a lot. They don't know who filed the noise complaint?

Well, I'm pretty sure they do know but they haven't made the info public, nor was it brought out in court.

Did anybody else complain?

Somebody did
During his September 24 testimony, Brown, who lived across the hall from Jean at the South Side Flats housing complex, said police had knocked on both of their doors on the afternoon of the shooting about a noise complaint, even though there wasn't anything loud going on in their apartments.
Now this is the mailonline and frequently gets things wrong, it was not the police that investigated, was buildings management
Neighbor of Botham Jean who delivered testimony in Amber Guyger murder trial is shot dead | Daily Mail Online

On the afternoon of September 6, 2018, Brown met Jean for the first time.
"The leasing people came, knocked on our doors," Brown testified. "It was like they had a noise complaint. And it was around like 2 p.m., which was kind of odd, because there wasn't no noise."
Joshua Brown: Key witness in the Amber Guyger murder trial met the violent death he feared - CNN

Jean, but the attorney for Botham Shem Jean’s estate has said that he did find one possible connection between the two: noise complaints. Amber Guyger, a Dallas police officer, has been charged with manslaughter after admitting to going to Botham Jean’s apartment after her shift was over and shooting and killing him when she mistook his apartment for her own. The exact details of what happened are still being investigated. Now the attorney for Jean’s family has revealed that Jean’s downstairs neighbor made multiple noise complaints against him. Amber Guyger lived directly below Botham Shem Jean, but it’s not confirmed if she was the one who actually made those complaints.

Did Amber Guyger Make Noise Complaints on Botham Jean? | Heavy.com

 

[Seattle1]

I've missed a lot. They don't know who filed the noise complaint?

I believe the only witness to address the "noise complaint" was JB -- and he was suspicious if it was true. Also don't recall management ever confirming or denying at trial.

JB reported the complaint was actually how he and BR met for the first time.

JB testified that earlier that afternoon (before BR shot by AG), management came to both their doors (across the hall from each other) - citing noise complaint.

JB said he was suspicious about the complaint - and thought management probably came by because they both smoked weed, and aroma in the hallway was coming from their units.

It was talking about audible noise that led JB to tell the court that he could hear BR singing early in the morning (Gospel and Drake).

JB became emotional after that, and court was in recess.

 

[Charlot123]

Ok, so he was what I would call a career criminal which makes the whole "he was shot in the mouth" and blaming police even worse. Lies like that one can start riots and for what? Over a career criminal whose death had nothing to do at all with the AG trial and police, and then all the lies how he had no enemies. Are you effing kidding me?

MOO

In other states riots were started over career criminals. Or rather, the communities' perception that even career criminals deserved better attitude from the police. People got on the streets because they felt that their brother was not treated justly.

I hope it won't come to riots, though.

In my mind, something went amiss when AG was hired as the policewoman. The rest was really a chain of unpleasant and tragic events.

But JB is dead, and as such, he is also a victim, and has to be respected. Even if he made money by selling marijuana. He left three kids, when they grow up, it will be very difficult for them to read that their father was a drug dealer.

 

[kittythehare]

I was thinking about it when I read the proposed law in our state before voting. They had drawn u/a levels of THC up to a certain level that were considered OK to drive.

MOO - marijuana breathalyzer is probably not precise. The readings would depend on the amount of saliva, whether person is a tobacco smoker or not, and certain other things.

However, there is still field sobriety test. Look at alcohol law. Say, the driver smells of alcohol, but his BAL is 0.05%, which is below the "legal norm". Even with this "legit" BAL, the driver should not appears confused, drive poorly, and he has to perform field sobriety test in a decent way.

If stoners drive normally, perform field sobriety test well and behave adequately, just smell of MJ on their breath or in the car, the police will probably tend to be lenient. If they look stoned and can not perform the test, this alone might be the reason for a urinalysis in the police station and sending the specimen to a lab. Ultimately, it is not about drugs, it is about the person being a danger to self and others on the road.

This is how it works in Ireland New tests reveal high incidence of drug driving
L inks to other articles at end of this..

 

[Charlot123]

If they do smell it or suspect it, they also do a search of the vehicle. More often than not, they find either the dope or paraphernalia which is also illegal.

RCW 46.61.745: Possessing or consuming marijuana in vehicle on highway—Penalty, exceptions—Definition.

It is now about taxes and big dispensaries selling marijuana. If it is in the car (used when driving), or in opened container, or in incorrectly labeled container (the way I understand, it was not bought through a dispensary? just from a dealer), then it is an infraction. If it is in the trunk, or in a closed container, it may be not.

Marijuana is probably treated like legally bought whiskey compared to moonshine whiskey. You can consume, but you have to buy it via stores that pay taxes. The same laws protect tobacco companies.

 

[Lillymac]

RCW 46.61.745: Possessing or consuming marijuana in vehicle on highway—Penalty, exceptions—Definition.

It is now about taxes and big dispensaries selling marijuana. If it is in the car (used when driving), or in opened container, or in incorrectly labeled container (the way I understand, it was not bought through a dispensary? just from a dealer), then it is an infraction. If it is in the trunk, or in a closed container, it may be not.

Marijuana is probably treated like legally bought whiskey compared to moonshine whiskey. You can consume, but you have to buy it via stores that pay taxes. The same laws protect tobacco companies.

I don't believe Texas has dispensaries. Maybe they do and I just don't know it...

 

[kittythehare]

I don't believe Texas has dispensaries. Maybe they do and I just don't know it...

yeah, they do, quite a few at that
https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/in/united-states/texas
How to Navigate Texas' Confusing Medical Marijuana Laws
https://texasoriginalcc.com/

Edit to add
Is that not going to be a pretty substantial threat to the drug dealers?