TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 1

[jmarple]

I wonder if a one-mile radius is enough of a grid.

Joshua, sweet guy, you're in my prayers.

I knew of a 2 year old who managed to get 5 miles away from his home in just a few short hours. His mother was a neighbor of mine and was, as you can imagine, absolutely frantic. She had to put locks up high on the doors after that, because he always wanted to wander.
FWIW I think a one-mile radius is not enough of a grid to search.

 

[MsFacetious]

I wonder if a one-mile radius is enough of a grid.

Joshua, sweet guy, you're in my prayers.

Emmett slipped out of the family residence while his mother and siblings were napping, then followed a three-mile course through desert washes and thick brush, Newmun said. After wandering in a partial semi-circle - at least some of the time within view of houses - he collapsed about a mile from where he started.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...ng-boy-search-emmett-trapp.html#ixzz1DEQVlUBD

No, it is not enough.

They said they had searched "most" of that one mile radius last I heard.

 

[mysticrose]

This little one had no shoes on correct ?

 

[MsFacetious]

This little one had no shoes on correct ?

Or jacket, as far as we know. Correct.

He was dressed in a blue and red long sleeved shirt with a grey long sleeved t-shirt, beige jeans and black and white socks.

 

[watcher9]

When Joshua disappeared, what was the weather like? Did they get snow there?

Even if the LE is not needing civilians to help in the search, there is stuff they can do on their own.

Everyone, including those leaving the party and the neighbors, need to check their cars inside and under. Also, they need to check around and under their own trailers. Is there a yard that Joshua likes to play in? What about all those utility buildings and under them? He could have been snake bitten, crawling under them.

Are there any vacant mobile homes? Maybe there is a door unlocked.
Anything.....

Looked on the map and the area seems to be well kept, but then we don't know how far back the videos were taken. It looks like there could be a bridge with posts on each side for water to go under the road, maybe a culvert or a pipe. I'm assuming they already checked that.

What about septic tanks or do they have sewer system?

 

[Kat]

Emmett Trapp (age 2) was located right outside of a one mile span IIRC (or very close to it) however, he wandered and meandered so much that they tracked him and found he had traveled by foot about 3 miles. The big differences are that I don't know or remember how many months Emmett is older than Joshua. At that age a few months can make an huge difference. Also, Emmett went missing in AZ in August. Extreme enviroments both, but I would think it would be perhaps a bit easier to travel by barefoot in the heat rather than the cold but that's JMHO (I did read the posts discussing the cold and children...etc).

I read as many articles and posts as I could---

1. Has LE come out and said straightforward that the Parents are cleared or are not suspected in this disappearance?

2. The 5 or 6 family members reported to have been in the home who were they? Mom and Dad and...? Is the other child older or younger? Thank you.

I saw the map that Ms. F posted (thanks Ms F) ehhhhh I'm not swallowing that he walked out of the home...wandered off...and is no where to be found all within 20 mins.

Was he missing a bit longer than Mom and Dad want to admit?

An abduction? They are out in the middle of nowhere from what I can see, nice flat area before trees. This abductor happened to come to this home and lure the child outside or was just there when the child left the home unattended and made off with him? Mehhhhhh mensa mensa on that one. Sorry JMHO.

RSO across the street? Lunsford. Or a SO that hasn't been arrested yet and lives there? Or was visiting there? Maybe JMHO.

I don't see this baby coming home soon and safe if the story we are being told is accurate and it irks me to no end too. He is a cutie patootie!

Prayers for him.

(OT when is the new baby due?)

 

[mysticrose]

How are they (LE) getting the timeline of 8:30 pm. The boys mother she said she saw him at around 7:40 pm, mom said she realized he was missing when he did not come back in the room and dad says he saw him last at 8:00 pm. They also state that they called about 20 mins after they realized he was missing..... Seems like he went missing shortly after 8pm.

Also do we know what time this friend left? And is this friend the sex offender questioned ? TIA

http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_f3907074-3188-11e0-a507-001cc4c03286.html

 

[MsFacetious]

New baby is due in 3 weeks... it is said to be their "third child" but I have not heard how old the third child is. So that may have simply been a typo.

 

[mysticrose]

So the day he disappeared Fri. Feb. 4th it was :

Temperature Feb, 4th, 2011
Mean Temperature 32 °F
Max Temperature 44 °F
Min Temperature 21 °F

Temperature Feb. 5th,2011

Mean Temperature 42 °F
Max Temperature 64 °F
Min Temperature 19 °F

Temperature Feb. 6th,2011

Mean Temperature 54 °F
Max Temperature 75 °F
Min Temperature 33 °F

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

 

[mysticrose]

Frigid weather dims hope for finding Texas toddler
© 2011 The Associated Press
Feb. 6, 2011, 6:19PM

NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas — Frigid cold and rugged terrain diminished the hopes of rescuers working to find an 18-month-old who had been missing for two days, and a police spokesman said Sunday the search effort had turned into a recovery mission.

Signs suggest Joshua Davis wandered out of his New Braunfels home in the Texas Hill Country on Friday evening, New Braunfels police Lt. Michael Penshorn said. There was no evidence of abduction. Police searched the home several times and went house to house in the area, a police statement said.

On Sunday, they brought in cadaver dogs to help find the child, Penshorn said. The dogs are trained to detect dead bodies.

Two nights of temperatures as low as 20 degrees have passed, and if Joshua spent them in the wooded area around his family's home, "there's little chance that he could have survived those conditions," Penshorn said

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7415918.html

 

[panthera]

I agree with LE.....it is way too cold for a little one to be outdoors for so long. :cry: I just can't imagine where he could've wandered to in so short a period of time, if it was only 20 minutes, and why he wouldn't have been cold and crying out.

 

[curiousc]

This just breaks my heart. Still not found

 

[justthinkin]

I think the father said he last saw his son about 8:20 IIRC.

I don't know, something about this story doesn't seem right, esp. with all the people out searching for this child. I'm not sure if an 18 mo. old could open a glass door, and even if he could, it was dark, and cold outside when he disappeared.

Oh, it's not sounding good at all for this little angel. : (

 

[Noway]

Friday, February 4
~7:40 pm Mom last sees Joshua
~8:00 pm Dad last sees Joshua

“I last saw my son around 8 last night,” said Josh Davis, Joshua’s father. “He was pulling on my beanie trying to take it off. He was behind my chair. When I told him to stop, he looked at me and smiled.
“That was the last time I saw him.”
Davis described Joshua as a cheerful, playful and loving boy.
“They have no leads,” said Sabrina Benitez, Joshua’s mother, through tears. “I last saw him around 7:40 p.m. in my room watching ‘Toy Story.’ When I realized he hadn’t come back to watch with me, I realized he was missing.”

If they think he left the house after the friend left, then I'm estimating the friend left between 8-8:20 pm. Not fact, not even reported as far as I've read so far. JMO

~8:30 pm Joshua disappears from home
Joshua disappeared from the family home on the 2600 block of Savannah Hill Circle around 8:30 p.m. Friday, according to a news release by New Braunfels Police Department Lt. Michael Penshorn.


http://herald-zeitung.com/news/community_alert/article_f3907074-3188-11e0-a507-001cc4c03286.html

~8:40 pm LE called to home
Police were summoned shortly before 8:40 p.m. Friday and told Joshua Davis Jr. had last been seen inside his parents' mobile home in the 2600 block of Savannah Hill Circle about 20 minutes earlier.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...ler-in-New-Braunfels-998497.php#ixzz1DEiyRQ9m
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[Noway]

Was the front door off the living room? Were these people in the living room watching the basketball game?

Would the door be visible from where any of them were sitting?

All I have is questions, no answers.

 

[Noway]

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Searchers can't find Texas toddler

Benitez said she believes someone who was at the family's mobile home Friday night may have taken the child. But Penshorn said investigators "have nothing that would indicate he was abducted, or taken away by someone."

"We are proceeding on the idea that the child wandered off by himself," he said.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...xas-toddler/UPI-34861297045623/#ixzz1DEn9Y0kJ
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[panthera]

Was the front door off the living room? Were these people in the living room watching the basketball game?

Would the door be visible from where any of them were sitting?

All I have is questions, no answers.

I'd like to know the layout of the mobile home. A lot I've seen have a glass door on the side, off the dining area.

 

[momtective]

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Searchers can't find Texas toddler

Benitez said she believes someone who was at the family's mobile home Friday night may have taken the child. But Penshorn said investigators "have nothing that would indicate he was abducted, or taken away by someone."

"We are proceeding on the idea that the child wandered off by himself," he said.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...xas-toddler/UPI-34861297045623/#ixzz1DEn9Y0kJ
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Same link

Benitez said she believes someone who was at the family's mobile home Friday night may have taken the child. But Penshorn said investigators "have nothing that would indicate he was abducted, or taken away by someone."

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...xas-toddler/UPI-34861297045623/#ixzz1DEoKWTao


So has this friend been questioned? Has his/her car been checked, have the trunks of vehicles at the house that night been checked? Could someone leaving the home have run over baby Joshua and tried to hide his body, and would the dogs have hit on a specific area if he has been hit by a car or run over by a car?

I just hate that things like this happen and there never seems to be any answers to the most logical questions.

 

[MsFacetious]

I'm sorry but once again.... "we have no indication of an abduction..."

How often IS there proof of an abduction?

There is no proof in Kyron's case, or Haleigh's case, or Elizabeth Olten, of Somer, or Sandra, or Alicia Debolt... or any number of other cases... if you discount eye witnesses then there is a whole other list of cases that have no proof aside from those. But they are not/were not believed to have "wandered away."

They aren't calling this baby a runaway but they might as well be. He "wandered away."

They don't have proof it was an abduction.

I'd love to know how they have proved he wasn't abducted after he "wandered away."

Just to be thorough they should be investigating the parents, the people who were in the home with that child, investigating the home to ensure a crime didn't occur there... etc. It'll really suck later if they realize they were wrong and they lost the first crucial days of investigation because they were SURE he just wandered away.

Did they bring in an infa-red helicopter? The dogs and infared initially before a bunch of people went out searching could have been very helpful.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I agree, MsFacetious. It's one thing to say that there is nothing to indicate it was an abduction. It would be another if they said they had something to indicate it WAS a matter of him wandering off. I don't suspect anyone at this point, and do think it's likely that he did wander off. But I hate to see them focusing in only one direction.