TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 2

[TxLady2]

But now this doesn't add up, even though it's not a direct quote. But this is the impression that was originally given, IMHO. Now the g'father is in another room with another child, correct? (Where was that stated?) And now the father was somewhere besides the living room - but someone was in the living room...

Yes, I'm stuck on this, b/c it's not making any sense (IMO). And are the locations of various people changing as time goes by or was it always said that they were scattered about?

I thought most of the adults were in the living room watching the game, and the mom was in the bedroom. Possibly the grandfather in another bedroom with the 6 year old.
The house is not that large, and I would guess that it is a kind of living room/dining room area, with a separate kitchen, and then a hall with bedrooms/bathrooms leading off that. Possibly the master bedroom at the opposite end of the house from the other bedroom(s.)
I'm just not getting that the father was in another room, unless he was sitting at the dining table and the t.v. can be seen from there.
How many adults were there at the time? I heard once, I think on NG, that there were 9 people total, 2 children and 7 adults. Or has that changed?

 

[SurfieTX]

I'd say the floor plan is probably much like this:

http://highrocksales.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/double.6103827.JPG

 

[belimom]

I thought most of the adults were in the living room watching the game, and the mom was in the bedroom. Possibly the grandfather in another bedroom with the 6 year old.
The house is not that large, and I would guess that it is a kind of living room/dining room area, with a separate kitchen, and then a hall with bedrooms/bathrooms leading off that. Possibly the master bedroom at the opposite end of the house from the other bedroom(s.)
I'm just not getting that the father was in another room, unless he was sitting at the dining table and the t.v. can be seen from there.
How many adults were there at the time? I heard once, I think on NG, that there were 9 people total, 2 children and 7 adults. Or has that changed?

I could be wrong. I'm basing it on the mom's statement on NG that "he hadn't been in the living room". Since he had been wherever the father was, then I'm deducting that the father was not in the living room...

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If she had said that he was not currently in the living room, then I wouldn't think anything at all, but she said had not BEEN in the living room.

Maybe I'm picking at the details - it just stood out to me.

 

[LCoastMom]

But now this doesn't add up, even though it's not a direct quote. But this is the impression that was originally given, IMHO. Now the g'father is in another room with another child, correct? (Where was that stated?) And now the father was somewhere besides the living room - but someone was in the living room...

Yes, I'm stuck on this, b/c it's not making any sense (IMO). And are the locations of various people changing as time goes by or was it always said that they were scattered about?

Early on mom said she first looked in the bedroom where GF and other son were, no Josh - next she went to the living-room where Sr had last seen Josh when he pulled on his beanie, no Josh - this was when the search of the home started.

I read here that the BB fans were sitting (around the table?) watching the game.

 

[belimom]

Early on mom said she first looked in the bedroom where GF and other son were, no Josh - next she went to the living-room where Sr had last seen Josh when he pulled on his beanie, no Josh - this was when the search of the home started.

I read here that the BB fans were sitting (around the table?) watching the game.

bbm

Thanks, LCoastMom... So what do you make of her statement on NG that "he hadn't been in the living room" vs something like "he wasn't in the living room" any longer?

ETA: If I'm picking apart what's being said too much, I apologize -- I'm coming off another case where there seem to be inconsistencies in statements, etc., so I'm in a state of mind of applying that filter to other cases at the moment. :innocent:

 

[Dee10]

New Braunfels police Lt. Michael Penshorn said Wednesday that leads are being investigated and search teams have been checking specific locations of interest. Further details were not immediately released.

http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=14004078

 

[Jovi Girl]

bbm

Thanks, LCoastMom... So what do you make of her statement on NG that "he hadn't been in the living room" vs something like "he wasn't in the living room" any longer?

I'm guessing it is only how she worded it...imo...some people use words differently than others...lots of people I know use 'whenever' in place of 'when', making it sound like something has been done more than once . Example; "whenever the pie was baked, we had dessert" as opposed to "when the pie was baked, we had dessert". The first one makes you think they had pie every time the pie was baked, leading one to guess they had pie for dessert multiple times. The second one leads you to think they were speaking of one particular time they had pie. That's all I think is happening with that phrase "he hadn't been in the in the living room."

 

[justthinkin]

"That forensics team spent most of yesterday searching the boy’s home and going over evidence collected from early on in the investigation, along with new evidence, including a bundle that was taken from the backyard of the home that Penshorn identified as a tarp and a bucket that had been identified as items of interest. "

http://kgnb.am/news/forensics-now-focus-search-missing-toddler

I haven't checked to see if this article link has been posted. So if it has, I apologize.

Last night I was questioning why no interviews of any of the other people in the house Friday evening had been done, but I meant by the media.

I still just find that so odd. I'm guessing they don't want talk. So strange.

And now the focus is on forensics. NO POIs or suspects named as of yet.

 

[Jovi Girl]

I am a little curious about the beanie pulling statement. So the baby pulled the beanie, dad told him to stop..Joshua smiles at him.....does dad get distracted by something else, like the game ?? He dosn't say then I lifted him up or he ran into another room, just that he smiled at him, and poof...that's the last time he sees him. He smiled and then what ???? Was Joshua standing next to dad on the sofa, or was he in dad's arms, when he pulled the beanie ?? Was someone else holding him ? Did they or dad then put joshua down on the floor and he toddled off ?? That is an incomplete statement.

 

[justthinkin]

Yep, sure is Jovi Girl. I notice the story changes a wee bit from parent to parent, and noticed the mother told Nancy Grace she noticed her son gone at 8:00PM, a little different than her last seeing him at 7:40PM.

With this turning into a case of analyzing forensic evidence collected in and outside the home, I don't think LE thinks this child ever left that home, alive.

It made me cry this morning knowing what the new focus is.

 

[justthinkin]

Someone wanted the low down on buzzards so here it is:
http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/loca...-find-Central-Texas-very-much-to-their-liking

I have no doubt LE will be watching the skies with everything else they're doing.

 

[SilkySifaka]

bbm

So now I'm confused. Was this a slip-up or was the father not watching basketball in the living room? It's a small home so I'm assuming that there is no separate den/family room. So that leaves another BR? So where were these other people - out in the LR alone? Or all piled in a BR watching TV? Even if there is a den/family room, that still leaves these other folks (or someone?) in the living room - otherwise she wouldn't know that he hadn't been there.

In my mind I had it that the mom was in the BR watching TV (and maybe g'father in another BR with another child?) while everyone else was in the LR watching the ballgame.

So either that was a slip-up or the father really wasn't in the LR. Which means... who WAS in the living room? I'm now starting to understand how someone in that house did something and not all the other adults would know, if everyone was split up all over the home.

I though they were watching the game in the kitchen

 

[LCoastMom]

bbm

Thanks, LCoastMom... So what do you make of her statement on NG that "he hadn't been in the living room" vs something like "he wasn't in the living room" any longer?

ETA: If I'm picking apart what's being said too much, I apologize -- I'm coming off another case where there seem to be inconsistencies in statements, etc., so I'm in a state of mind of applying that filter to other cases at the moment. :innocent:

I think she was saying he hadn't been seen in the living room (since the beanie pulling/in the last 10 minutes/since her POI left the house). MOO.

When asked if everyone in the house was given a poly Sr said; 'Yes, actually they put me thru three' (the reporter then drops her jaw and says something about standard procedure in these cases) Sr goes into his gf couldn't be tested because of the pregnancy, whenever she's pregnant she still wants to be tested....

IIRC they both politely let the person asking finish the question before starting to answer, even when asked what he would say about people accusing him of something, Sr (was not happy) but was polite saying he doesn't care what they say (think?) he wouldn't do that, Jesus knows what happened.

They both speak in half sentences, I pray not half truths too.

 

[Aya]

How has he not been found yet?

It's making me nervous....living in Texas now. What if one of mine went missing? It seems we have issues in Tx with getting the right dogs and such.

And now we are in the middle of another cold front

 

[Tuffy]

I was thinking about buzzards last night- they're out in force ... I saw about 8 of them just off the road the other day on a racoon -

I think they're pretty much here all the time.

I live in the city of San Antonio, and the buzzards are still around. There are a lot of deer near my house. They regularly get hit by cars, as there is a busy street near me. Usually there are buzzards that hang out on the street lights because of this. I see groups of them out daily.

 

[LCoastMom]

I am a little curious about the beanie pulling statement. So the baby pulled the beanie, dad told him to stop..Joshua smiles at him.....does dad get distracted by something else, like the game ?? He dosn't say then I lifted him up or he ran into another room, just that he smiled at him, and poof...that's the last time he sees him. He smiled and then what ???? Was Joshua standing next to dad on the sofa, or was he in dad's arms, when he pulled the beanie ?? Was someone else holding him ? Did they or dad then put joshua down on the floor and he toddled off ?? That is an incomplete statement.

This is the "oddest" exchange to me but I thought it implied (or was said in the original statement?) Sr was in a chair and Josh pulled the beanie, Sr said stop, Josh smiled.

Didn't the original statement say Josh was always pulling on his beanie? (Or did I mentally add that?)

 

[nursebeeme]

The focus has shifted again in the search for missing 18-month old Joshua Davis Jr, who has been missing for nearly a week now. New Braunfels Police officials say their focus is now honed in on investigating certain forensic leads,

http://kgnb.am/news/forensics-now-focus-search-missing-toddler

 

[Tuffy]

So, whilet at a re-cert class I started jotting down thoughts. I'll spit them all out and then see what everyone thinks.
4 Scenarios
1. wandered off
2. taken by someone in house (either alive or because they hurt him somehow)
3. taken by stranger
4. hurt either by accident or on purpose by family member

I see scenario 3 as being highly unlikely.

Caution, some of this may be upsetting, please don't read if it might bother you

Scenario 1
I don't feel the area in a 1 mile area has been cleared, it would take days to do so completely. Have they done line searches and then cross gridded them (effectively doing the same line search but perpendicular to the way you did it the first time)
Have they checked every pond and small body of water in that same area? There appear to be a lot of them. Both of these things are highly time consuming.
Expanding to 2 miles=do the exact same thing all over for 2nd mile. 1 square mile is almost 28 million square feet 640 acres, it's a lot more ground to cover than most think. Especially when you are looking for an 18 month old baby who is 2 ft tall and going to be a whole lot smaller if curled into a ball.

Scenario 2 and even 4
we are looking at a 30 minute window from the time Dad last saw him to the time the 911 call was made. There has been no information out saying that these times are incorrect. If Dad said 8 and he was out in the livingroom with others, then there would be multiple people who saw him at this time. So, what could have happened in that 30 min. window? Not much time to hurt/kill a child and dispose of him. The most likely scenario would be to hide the body for future disposal. Where would that be? Shed? Car? Do neighbors leave their cars unlocked? What neighbors have sheds or something similar that would work? HRD dogs were brought out, no word as to whether they hit on anything or not. What they did not do use find Joshua. Did they check the cars of everyone who was there that night? Who would have had time/ability to do it after the 911 call was made? I'm seeing some real logistical issues here with trying to pin this on them.
As for scenario 3....
What are the odds of a stranger driving down that street at 8 at night when an 18 month old happens to wander outside? I'm going with astronomically unlikely.

I really think it's scenario #1. I just think they haven't found his body yet. There is a lot of area to cover, and lots of critters out here. I'm not sure how much tree cover is near there home, but that may slow things down too.

Like I said we have buzzards here, and they're big. When a deer is hit and lying on the side of the road, the birds swoop in, usually covering the deer. Not to be too graphic, but we witness the circle of life here on almost a daily basis.

I also see rather large coyotes wandering around our neighborhood. Not as often as the buzzards, and deer, but often enough to know it's not unusual.

Sadly, I think a tiny little kid would have succumbed to the elements rather quickly. Wouldn't the dogs be able to pick up on it if he had been attacked by coyotes or feral dogs? I'm baffled by the fact that the dogs haven't found a trace though.

 

[LadyLuck]

I do not think the time thing is a big deal. No one looks at the clock all the time just in case something happens you will have exact times. Sometimes when my large family is over, I will put a movie on in the bedroom for the little ones. I never look at the clock and if something happened I would have to guess at the exact time. I go back to check but do not note the exact time that has lapsed. Is it five minutes or seven minutes. I think the Mother had to guess at the times and I do not find it strange that she does not have it exact.

 

[not_my_kids]

Please bear in mind, (and I only say this because I have seen it take on a life of it's own in the past), when there is one statement that the media runs, they edit it for time, space, and heartstring effect. Just because we haven't heard his father say anything about what happened after the beanie pulling doesn't mean he didn't explain into minute detail, just that if he did, the media didn't run that part.

That's why I transcribe when possible, and the reason that even though they can be tedious to listen to, I love uncut interviews. In this case, the only uncut interviews I have seen are the LE pressers and even there I can't be one hundred percent sure that they weren't edited a little. I don't necessarily feel that the father is completely blameless, but that's because of what I do hear, not because of what I don't.

ETA: How in the heck is any angle being investigated fully when LE changes the focus every day? Not really criticism, just curiosity.