TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

[lillys]

Oh, you are right. Would they keep mum about a lie like that, though? If they knew that the parents had tried to lie about when they took that picture, would they hold that back? hmmmm....

Who's phone was that taken on? Do we know that yet?

I'm guessing but I think LE would hold that back. Especially since the mom just had her baby yesterday.

 

[lillys]

Those are some really good questions. I have tried hard to figure out HOW they could have hidden that poor child if he had been killed accidentally in the home earlier. I don't see how it could have been done within that 20 minute timeline unless that friend took the child away in his car and never returned in that car.

I wonder if there is a vehicle that is usually there but is no longer present.

Katy,
I really enjoy your input about this case.

I don't remember hearing or reading about a vehicle driven by Joshua's parents but surely someone had a car or truck.

The 20 minutes doesn't leave much time for a coverup or moving a body but what if Joshua vanished on another day?

 

[katydid23]

Katy,
I really enjoy your input about this case.

I don't remember hearing or reading about a vehicle driven by Joshua's parents but surely someone had a car or truck.

The 20 minutes doesn't leave much time for a coverup or moving a body but what if Joshua vanished on another day?

Thank you. This case really gets to me. Joshua is so adorable and it really is upsetting to wonder where he might be.

My problem with the 'other day' theory is that it might be hard to get so many people on board to cover it up. That theory requires EVERYONE in the house that day to agree, right from the start, that they are going to take part in a big conspiracy to lie to the cops and the FBI.

There are other scenarios which involve fewer people and so they might be more likely. JMO

 

[Ives]

How long after one gives birth, are they able to do a lie detector? Curious because of all the hormone fluctuations and if c sec, pain meds?
Also, there was a video clip on fox 29, sb was very info and they were leaving a different house. Maybe they are starting with fam? for some peace since baby was/is here? Or were just filmed, where they we're at the time. The story was on the birth. I wish the new baby well.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the issue with pregnancy and LD tests is more about possible stress to the baby...if so, there should not be a reason she could not take one soon.

But maybe LE knows much more than we do (I sure hope they do) and don't really need it.

 

[HiHater]

I wonder if the family had any pets...dogs in particular....

 

[jadejazzkayla]

"Sabrina Benitez, mother of the New Braunfels 18-month-old who vanished Feb. 4 from the family home on Savannah Hill Circle, gave birth to a son Friday at an undisclosed location, spokeswoman Angie Flack said in an evening telephone interview."

http://herald-zeitung.com/news/local_news/article_44b55aba-3bd3-11e0-8ad1-001cc4c03286.html

painfully bittersweet. best wishes to the family and new baby.

 

[Kat]

Yes, she did Istrel according to this report:

"Sabrina Benitez, mother of the New Braunfels 18-month-old who vanished Feb. 4 from the family home on Savannah Hill Circle, gave birth to a son Friday at an undisclosed location, spokeswoman Angie Flack said in an evening telephone interview."

http://herald-zeitung.com/news/local_news/article_44b55aba-3bd3-11e0-8ad1-001cc4c03286.html

Thanks Dee!

The name of the family spokeswoman nudged at me so I googled her LOL. I was trying to figure out who she was to the family etc...my memory isn't what it used to be I'm sorry...

Anway, yes she had given another statement specifically to Joshua's case.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...earching-for-Baby/yhS7fMMwGEyrugEmeOW75Q.cspx
Updated: 2/13 9:30 am

I can't snip because that article is way too short.

What she says is this:

(Flack) If this was my child...and he has walked out the door before....

and click on link to read the rest please. If I snip I will violate TOS for WS.

Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm

:waitasec:

Now, if she is talking about Joshua walking out the door before(not sure who she's talking about I'm assuming she is referencing Joshua)---then why would Mom be so adamant that Joshua could not have walked out the door, could not have gotten off the ice covered porch in order to take off on his own?

Why would she be adamant to the point that she was saying that Joshua had been abducted before the search for him had even been completed?

As for the search. I understand that other's are upset with the search but I haven't seen enough reporting are statements issued by LE on what when where and who was searching. They brought the TX Rangers in and the FBI in fairly quickly. I'm cool with the difference of opinons. I just haven't developed one just yet.

I'm curious to know how come we didn't see the NCMEC called in, IIRC they have a response team that we see deployed very quickly to abducted children's area. Isn't that called Team Adam? Maybe not. Anyone else remember that?

JMHO.

Edit: FWIW, in the earlier article she is IDed by media as a volunteer searcher, now she is the spokesperson for the family. Of no consquence, but helps me to keep who is who straight.

 

[HiHater]

Thanks Dee!

The name of the family spokeswoman nudged at me so I googled her LOL. I was trying to figure out who she was to the family etc...my memory isn't what it used to be I'm sorry...

Anway, yes she had given another statement specifically to Joshua's case.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...earching-for-Baby/yhS7fMMwGEyrugEmeOW75Q.cspx
Updated: 2/13 9:30 am

I can't snip because that article is way too short.

What she says is this:

(Flack) If this was my child...and he has walked out the door before....

and click on link to read the rest please. If I snip I will violate TOS for WS.

Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm

:waitasec:

Now, if she is talking about Joshua walking out the door before(not sure who she's talking about I'm assuming she is referencing Joshua)---then why would Mom be so adamant that Joshua could not have walked out the door, could not have gotten off the ice covered porch in order to take off on his own?

Why would she be adamant to the point that she was saying that Joshua had been abducted before the search for him had even been completed?

As for the search. I understand that other's are upset with the search but I haven't seen enough reporting are statements issued by LE on what when where and who was searching. They brought the TX Rangers in and the FBI in fairly quickly. I'm cool with the difference of opinons. I just haven't developed one just yet.

I'm curious to know how come we didn't see the NCMEC called in, IIRC they have a response team that we see deployed very quickly to abducted children's area. Isn't that called Team Adam? Maybe not. Anyone else remember that?

JMHO.

Edit: FWIW, in the earlier article she is IDed by media as a volunteer searcher, now she is the spokesperson for the family. Of no consquence, but helps me to keep who is who straight.

The article from yesterday says that Angie Flack's relationship to the family was verified yesterday....

& with the video---I think your wording is just a little off. She says something to the effect of: IF this was my child and I know he walked off, then I know he's going to be able to come home. ETA: She also mentions it is something that mothers struggle with in general...

I don't think she was alluding to the fact that Baby Joshua had done this before...JMO

 

[Kat]

Thanks HiHater! I missed the video with her speaking. I was only trying to figure out what she was saying from the small quote they used for her in the print article (the part that can be accessed without membership). I appreciate you filling me in on that.

What is her relationship to the family? Thanks in advance for explaining to me

 

[justthinkin]

Thank you. This case really gets to me. Joshua is so adorable and it really is upsetting to wonder where he might be.

My problem with the 'other day' theory is that it might be hard to get so many people on board to cover it up. That theory requires EVERYONE in the house that day to agree, right from the start, that they are going to take part in a big conspiracy to lie to the cops and the FBI.

There are other scenarios which involve fewer people and so they might be more likely. JMO

It kind of boils down to this. Who living in that household is dependent on which others for a portion of the rent or a portion of the house payment? If a person responsible goes to jail, and it would mean the others would no longer have a roof over their heads, then collusion is more likely.

If a person responsible goes to jail and suddenly there's no one to care for the children due to having to work, then again, collusion is more likely.

I really hate to think something happened to this sweet baby because someone couldn't afford his medical care, but that's one possibility.

If this was an accident caused by adult irresponsibility, then authorities will take the proper steps to insure the other children are safe. That may happen anyway seeing as how no one's willing to say what happened to Joshua.

 

[Ives]

From what I gathered from the fox news story, the baby boy went home today with mom. I am on my phpne and still learning to work it, so cant linka nlso, housing and other public aid is pretty easy to obtain here. Fwiw. Including medicaid, which would cover any and all heath care costs.
But then again, if mom is from a different area, whete these things are difficult to recieve, or the family just has that pride, she may not know or want it. Kwim?

 

[justthinkin]

What I don't get is if he was killed at home, where is he? That house isn't that big. It's been searched. They wouldn't have had much time to hide him without anyone noticing.

Then we are back to a scenario where everyone in the house is in on it.

Tuffy, two statements stick out in my mind, each one made by the assumably responsible adults, responsible for his care that is.
One said, "he's nowhere close.
The other said, "he's not anywhere in the area."

Not naming the names because I am no longer sure which one said which or if I have the exact wording right on that second quote. However it wouldn't change the meaning one iota.

Nowhere in the area? That could cover an awful lot of ground IYKWIM, like from New Braunfels to Chicago. I sure hope LE has checked out any recent flights anyone might have taken in which Joshua may also have left, but not returned. Thing is, if a baby sits on someone's lap, would an airline even count them as a separate passenger? Meaning would there be a record of Joshua on a plane?

Far-fetched, but with those two statements, checking is warranted, IMO.

 

[gngr~snap]

It kind of boils down to this. Who living in that household is dependent on which others for a portion of the rent or a portion of the house payment? If a person responsible goes to jail, and it would mean the others would no longer have a roof over their heads, then collusion is more likely.

If a person responsible goes to jail and suddenly there's no one to care for the children due to having to work, then again, collusion is more likely.

I really hate to think something happened to this sweet baby because someone couldn't afford his medical care, but that's one possibility.

If this was an accident caused by adult irresponsibility, then authorities will take the proper steps to insure the other children are safe. That may happen anyway seeing as how no one's willing to say what happened to Joshua.

Thank You for slappin me with a reality
check. I am too jaded! How awful to consider if that baby was sick and she felt like she couldn't afford emergency care.

This is not 1900, but I know that my grandparents both lost a baby boy due to inadequate or unavailable medical care. Tragically it does still happen today.

 

[Ives]

I:rocker:

Thank You for slappin me with a reality
check. I am too jaded! How awful to consider if that baby was sick and she felt like she couldn't afford emergency care.

This is not 1900, but I know that my grandparents both lost a baby boy due to inadequate or unavailable medical care. Tragically it does still happen today.

I really hope this is not the case! From pregnancy testing sites to dentist offoced, even the e.r. Here offer you an app for asdisyance. If this is what happened, this is a truley sad case.

 

[mommy23]

Tuffy, two statements stick out in my mind, each one made by the assumably responsible adults, responsible for his care that is.
One said, "he's nowhere close.
The other said, "he's not anywhere in the area."

Not naming the names because I am no longer sure which one said which or if I have the exact wording right on that second quote. However it wouldn't change the meaning one iota.

Nowhere in the area? That could cover an awful lot of ground IYKWIM, like from New Braunfels to Chicago. I sure hope LE has checked out any recent flights anyone might have taken in which Joshua may also have left, but not returned. Thing is, if a baby sits on someone's lap, would an airline even count them as a separate passenger? Meaning would there be a record of Joshua on a plane?

Far-fetched, but with those two statements, checking is warranted, IMO.

BBM


Not sure if this has been answered, but when I flew with my son, I had to have a birth certificate, and ID matching, we had different last names, so I also had to have a notarized paper with his fathers permission, and his name was on paperwork, I think it was maybe on the actual ticket??....... And this was 5 years ago HTH!

 

[gngr~snap]

I:rocker:

I really hope this is not the case! From pregnancy testing sites to dentist offoced, even the e.r. Here offer you an app for asdisyance. If this is what happened, this is a truley sad case.

LOL! no, I was a pediatric nurse for 18- 19 years. Abuse, molestations, babies born from incest... makes one wanna jump the gun ...
I'm grounded at least for now. :smile:

 

[gngr~snap]

He's no where close... I heard thay too. OK, (parents) You called us- the police, for help, so we start looking, but YOU already know he is nowhere close, so that means YOU are already one step ahead of us.
Truth be told if he was abducted or wandered off you can't know where he is.
Yet you state he is no where close, so just tell us Where exactly is nowhere close. Can youpoint that out on a map?
I could not do LE JOBS!

 

[Kat]

BBM


Not sure if this has been answered, but when I flew with my son, I had to have a birth certificate, and ID matching, we had different last names, so I also had to have a notarized paper with his fathers permission, and his name was on paperwork, I think it was maybe on the actual ticket??....... And this was 5 years ago HTH!

My youngest 3 are teens now but I did find this:

http://help.jetblue.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/webisapi.dll?New,Kb=askBlue,case=obj(1939)#s4

http://www.jetwithkids.com/blog/lap-child-policy-faa


I can't offer any insight into this at all. My children always traveled on govn orders and were issued a ticket and their own seat even as young as 3 weeks old. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

That is an odd thing to say. How would they know for sure he was nowhere close. There is at least one RSO within yards of their home. I think it would be in the back of their minds that he could be close, if they really had no idea where he was.