TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

[Tuffy]

I can't get past the weather part to even consider that he walked away. It didn't even snow that badly in the part of TX I am in, but as an adult I had to have on full protective gear to go outside! I had never been that cold in my life, and on that day Feb 4, they cancelled school in a lot of places because of the ice and snow. So I just don't see it...

I did some searches on Google trying to find other cases of lost kids being found (hopefully alive!)

I came across lots of examples of tiny kids wandering out into very cold, dark environments. The was one very sad story of a boy in Minnesota sneaking out at night, then being found frozen in a snowdrift. I have also witness my nieces and nephews going outside with no shoes on when it was cold and wet outside. It didn't seem to be an issue for them. We had to explain to them why they should have shoes and jackets on, while they whined, "but we're not cold!"

I wouldn't use the weather as a reason to not believe he might have ventured out into the cold. Apparently it's happened a bunch.

 

[lishac23]

I can't get past the weather part to even consider that he walked away. It didn't even snow that badly in the part of TX I am in, but as an adult I had to have on full protective gear to go outside! I had never been that cold in my life, and on that day Feb 4, they cancelled school in a lot of places because of the ice and snow. So I just don't see it...

The weather conditions make it harder to believe for me too. I think it could be possible curiosity got the best of him and he wandered outside, but I do doubt that he would have stayed out there that long or wandered off to far.

 

[Tuffy]

I hope I can because it would help people understand the home better. The square footage is almost as large as that of my two story home, and there are more bedrooms in that mobile home than there are in my house. It makes me think that maybe it would have been easier than thought for Joshua to slip out.

I think it's probably okay since it's public info, and I believe we've done it on other cases, like Caylee's. All the same, we should probably wait to get the thumbs up from a mod.

Knowing the layout of the rooms and doors would help us all get a visual. IMO

 

[lishac23]

Has LE made any reports about whether or not they were able to verify the parent' timeline? Anything stated about the lie detector results? I'm assuming one of the questions had to be when was the last time he was seen.

 

[HiHater]

All three of my children were day trained by 18 months. My middle child was day and night trained by 14 months.

I'd bet that's the exception, and not the norm---if you will.

 

[HiHater]

I did some searches on Google trying to find other cases of lost kids being found (hopefully alive!)

I came across lots of examples of tiny kids wandering out into very cold, dark environments. The was one very sad story of a boy in Minnesota sneaking out at night, then being found frozen in a snowdrift. I have also witness my nieces and nephews going outside with no shoes on when it was cold and wet outside. It didn't seem to be an issue for them. We had to explain to them why they should have shoes and jackets on, while they whined, "but we're not cold!"

I wouldn't use the weather as a reason to not believe he might have ventured out into the cold. Apparently it's happened a bunch.

Agree to disagree? Someone living in Minnesota may be acclimated to that weather, there could be so many different factors to consider---including age. For me, that's going to remain the number two reason he is not likely to have wandered off, until we find out otherwise from LE.

 

[HiHater]

Some of the comments on Facebook and on the new stories make me go hmmmmm....

 

[peeples]

Some of the comments on Facebook and on the new stories make me go hmmmmm....

Linky please

 

[FaerieB]

I'd bet that's the exception, and not the norm---if you will.

I'm not suggesting in the least that it's the norm, at least anymore. It was in the days before pull-ups. My great-niece just started using the potty on her own last month...at 13 months. I'm just pointing out that it's not outside of the realm of possibilities.

 

[Tuffy]

I'd bet that's the exception, and not the norm---if you will.

I think most kids are potty trained between 2-3 years old. Earlier than that would be the exception.

 

[momtective]

IMO there was enough snow on the ground that had Joshua walked away from the house he would have left foot tracks...

See pics of snow on 2.4.2011 in NB
http://herald-zeitung.com/article_2651036e-3078-11e0-84da-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=image

 

[liltexans]

IMO there was enough snow on the ground that had Joshua walked away from the house he would have left foot tracks...

See pics of snow on 2.4.2011 in NB
http://herald-zeitung.com/article_2651036e-3078-11e0-84da-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=image

In San Antonio the snow was all gone by Friday afternoon/evening. New Braunfels isn't much farther north, but I doubt there was much visible snow left by Friday night.

 

[katydid23]

I can see what you mean, but 18 months is a bit early for potty training.

I know it is. But that's the point. Some parents have unrealistic expectations. There have been toddlers of this age beaten up because they soiled their pants.

 

[lishac23]

I think I missed something, can someone tell me what the potty training thing is about? Did they find a diaper somewhere that could or could not have been his based on his potty training status?

 

[katydid23]

I brought up the potty training question ONLY because of the way the Dad used the word 'dirty' 2 times in a row when reminiscing about his missing toddler. I just found it an odd word to use, and it made me think of all the toddlers who are beaten or killed over messy potty accidents.

And I totaly agree that 18 months is too early to expect toilet training. But with the mom being 8 months pregnant I bet much of the childcare is being left to Dad now. And he has said other things which made me think he had high expectations. He talked about asking his son to pick up all of his toys and clean the room. And he asked him to stop messing with his hat. Hmmm...


http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=12511467
Her mother's boyfriend, Calvin Jones, told police he hit her with a basketball shoe and the back of his hand Friday after the toddler, who was potty training, soiled herself.

NY toddler beaten to death (News 24 South Africa) | MammasWay.com
Nov 23, 2008 ... A New York teenager has been charged with murder after authorities say he beat a toddler to death because she had a potty-training accident. ...
mammasway.com/.../ny-t

Couple Plead Guilty in Toddler Death - Potty Training
Feb 9, 2011 ... A couple on Tuesday pleaded guilty in the death of a toddler who was beaten after a potty-training accident and never treated for his ...
pottytrainingpower.com/news/couple-plead-guilty-in-toddler-death/ - Cached


toddler; beaten with belt; whipped; urinating on himself - WREG
Nov 12, 2009 ... toddler; beaten with belt; whipped; urinating on himself. ... "He's there hands on every day in their life, potty-training them, ...
www.wreg.com/.../wreg-toddlerbeatenwithbelt-story,0,999591.story - Cached

 

[FaerieB]

I think I missed something, can someone tell me what the potty training thing is about? Did they find a diaper somewhere that could or could not have been his based on his potty training status?

Nothing like that, thankfully. Some had questioned the dad's comments about 'dirty.' I believe he wasn't potty-trained, simply because a diaper is listed on his NCMEC poster. (http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=1165276&seqNum=1)

 

[imamaze]

I'm checking on linking to the accessors office for the home and pics.

Are the pics from FB? or where? Sorry I'm not familiar with the question.

Ima

 

[imamaze]

I hope I can because it would help people understand the home better. The square footage is almost as large as that of my two story home, and there are more bedrooms in that mobile home than there are in my house. It makes me think that maybe it would have been easier than thought for Joshua to slip out.

NMK, is the square footage info on the accessors site as well?

 

[imamaze]

On posting pics from a social site...

Unless they are directly in the midst of the case (like a POI or comparison pics of a location) we would prefer to see links only. If its pics of an innocent party no. Minors are a No as well.

If you have any other questions you can pm me or any of the Mods here.

Ima

 

[jwinchester]

I brought up the potty training question ONLY because of the way the Dad used the word 'dirty' 2 times in a row when reminiscing about his missing toddler. I just found it an odd word to use, and it made me think of all the toddlers who are beaten or killed over messy potty accidents.

And I totaly agree that 18 months is too early to expect toilet training. But with the mom being 8 months pregnant I bet much of the childcare is being left to Dad now. And he has said other things which made me think he had high expectations. He talked about asking his son to pick up all of his toys and clean the room. And he asked him to stop messing with his hat. Hmmm...

Can you explain what you think would motivate nine people who knew and loved the child to be emotionally capable of covering up his death after witnessing him being beaten to death without intervening? That just seems to stretch credulity for me.

I use the word "dirty" to mean "messy" or "untidy". If my child was missing, I'm sure I might express that I even missed the messes and hassles involved with taking care of her. Are you now concerned that I am a danger to her?

Can you explain what you think someone who wouldn't beat their child to death would do when the child pulled on their hat, if not ask them to stop?