TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 4

[Dee10]

Does anyone remember where the quote is about the father (I think) stating the friend refused the poly & is no longer speaking to him or them? TIA

 

[cluciano63]

Not finding any news at all, not even a mention on SA news sites...
No one seems to be encouraging searches...LE must be working on getting someone to tell where Joshua is? Perhaps?

 

[not_my_kids]

Am I the only one that feels like they are trying to find the corner of a round room?

LE says no abduction, so that rules out a whole range of possibilities. Means that no one took him from the house, he didn't wander out and get nabbed from the front yard, there wasn't a mystery person that stayed under the radar and grabbed him when no one was looking, it would also likely rule out the possibility that he was run over and killed in the driveway, since without a body, it's still an abduction untilthey know that the car killed him.

LE says he didn't wander off, which means that he wasn't nabbed out of the yard by an animal, taken by a random stranger, or made it to the SO's house.

The dogs found scent in the yard, but no trail to follow. So that means it was an old scent (which would make sense) or that he was put into a vehicle from the yard...
but if there was no abduction, then it would have been one of his parents that put him in the car.

I don't believe that there was any violent scene in the home. I believe LE when they say that picture was taken the fourth. If there had been a large incredibly bloody scene at the house, that would have been caught, they would have left traces. So, unless he was injured in such a way as to cause death from internal injuries, I don't believe he was killed in the house.

If we go with what the police are saying, there are very few scenarios that actually work.

 

[Tuffy]

Am I the only one that feels like they are trying to find the corner of a round room?

LE says no abduction, so that rules out a whole range of possibilities. Means that no one took him from the house, he didn't wander out and get nabbed from the front yard, there wasn't a mystery person that stayed under the radar and grabbed him when no one was looking, it would also likely rule out the possibility that he was run over and killed in the driveway, since without a body, it's still an abduction untilthey know that the car killed him.

LE says he didn't wander off, which means that he wasn't nabbed out of the yard by an animal, taken by a random stranger, or made it to the SO's house.

The dogs found scent in the yard, but no trail to follow. So that means it was an old scent (which would make sense) or that he was put into a vehicle from the yard...
but if there was no abduction, then it would have been one of his parents that put him in the car.

I don't believe that there was any violent scene in the home. I believe LE when they say that picture was taken the fourth. If there had been a large incredibly bloody scene at the house, that would have been caught, they would have left traces. So, unless he was injured in such a way as to cause death from internal injuries, I don't believe he was killed in the house.

If we go with what the police are saying, there are very few scenarios that actually work.

No, you're not the only one who feel like this, nmk. Actually, if we go by what the police are saying, I don't think there are any probable scenarios left that work.

Joshua slipping into an alternate universe that night is not really a probable scenario, but what is there left? He was there and now he is gone without a trace? Not even a scent trail?

We are missing out on some things that the police are not saying publicly. IMO

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.kens5.com/home/116605693.html

by KVUE News
kens5.com
Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:39 PM

The parents of a missing toddler are welcoming a new baby to their family. Sabrina Benitez of New Braunfels gave birth to a second son on Friday.

Her older son, 18-month-old Joshua Davis, is still missing.

 

[lishac23]

No, you're not the only one who feel like this, nmk. Actually, if we go by what the police are saying, I don't think there are any probable scenarios left that work.

Joshua slipping into an alternate universe that night is not really a probable scenario, but what is there left? He was there and now he is gone without a trace? Not even a scent trail?

We are missing out on some things that the police are not saying publicly. IMO

bbm...I agree. I don't think I've ever seen a case anything like this. LE has only given statements as to what the feel DIDN'T happen, and yet if these statements were true...is he even still considered missing?

 

[Tuffy]

bbm...I agree. I don't think I've ever seen a case anything like this. LE has only given statements as to what the feel DIDN'T happen, and yet if these statements were true...is he even still considered missing?

That tells me they do not need the public's help. If they did, we would see relevant information would be communicated to the public. There hasn't been any press conferences held recently, or any type of public appeal for cooperation or assistance in the case.

 

[suzyq211]

That tells me they do not need the public's help. If they did, we would see relevant information would be communicated to the public. There hasn't been any press conferences held recently, or any type of public appeal for cooperation or assistance in the case.

Do you think they already have an idea what happened and know where Joshua is? I hope so...I just cant stand all these cases where children are gone without a trace!!!!! >:-(

 

[Tuffy]

Do you think they already have an idea what happened and know where Joshua is? I hope so...I just cant stand all these cases where children are gone without a trace!!!!! >:-(

I don't know what to think suzyq. I'm really conflicted here. I don't think the parents have anything to do with his disappearance, so I don't know why the police would be so quiet about things. If they knew where he was, I want to believe they would let us know.

I don't think they believe that this is an outside party responsible either. I would also like to believe they warn us if the perp could possibly harm other children.

I'm really at a loss here.

 

[gngr~snap]

The taken by a friend statement ... is hard for me to.grasp. Friends don't take your child and not tell you! IMO it's like saying the nice man that raped me. Also why just call that person "a friend" and not use a name? To me it's eerily similar when a parent calls their missing child that little girl instead of my daughter Jane...
MOO

 

[sherbetjello]

I've been lurking this thread and I am very disappointed that nothing has transpired in this case, Haileys case and of course Kyron Hormon.

I had to chime in and come out of momentary lurkdom to say that you can not, it is impossible, to change the date within the actual hardware of a camera or cellphone. You might be able to set the clock and time date to a certain day or week - but the internal bits always hold the true time of that given day. It can NOT be Mickey Moused - it's impossible.

There was a case here on WS, I believe, where a woman had killed her boyfriend and her alibi was a picture in her camera set to a certain time. She was charged with his murder because the cops knew she had changed the date and time settings on the shot.

It's impossible, cops won't be fooled if someone manipulated the clock.

*slips back into lurking*

 

[YellowSubmarine]

That tells me they do not need the public's help. If they did, we would see relevant information would be communicated to the public. There hasn't been any press conferences held recently, or any type of public appeal for cooperation or assistance in the case.

I agree. At this point, *if* Josh had vanished as stated, LE would have gathered enough info by now to release a poi or car they are looking for. They would have enough info from the other people at the house and neighbors to have something to go on. They haven't asked for people to keep an eye out. They haven't asked if anyone saw anything suspicious. They haven't asked for the return of Josh.

I think they mostly know what happened but are putting the case together right now. This leads me to believe that maybe none of the other people at the house had seen Josh that night. But, they can't make arrests off the fact nobody remembered seeing him.

I think it's very telling we haven't heard from anyone lately. Not LE, not the family. Except for the family announcing the birth of the new baby . . . . So sad!

Praying for you baby Josh!

 

[Kat]

Do you think they already have an idea what happened and know where Joshua is? I hope so...I just cant stand all these cases where children are gone without a trace!!!!! >:-(

IMHO they have a really good idea about what happened to Joshua, but they don't know where he was put. I am not sure they will ever find this one.

I know that sounds so harsh this early into Joshua's thread but I was thinking about a couple of other missing little boys and girls last night and Joshua's media coverage has gone quiet like theirs did--maybe even quicker than theirs did.

Hopefully there will be a break in this case or Joshua will be located today or this week or this month and I will have had this feeling for nothing!



I agree with the posters above: We have no clue what information that LE has and all LE is telling us is what they know "didn't" happen. <sigh> Come home soon Joshua. So tiny! How in the world can we ever find such a tiny little person when someone wants them (even their tiny body) hidden? JMHO

 

[not_my_kids]

Here'swhat I don't get about the "friend". If I believed that someone might have taken my child, and if I believed that LE was wrong in their assertion that he had not, even if LE asked me to be quiet and not give their name...I would.

They would have to arrest me to shut me up. But both JD and SB are stone silent on this person, lately the only thing that they have said about him is that LE asked them not to talk about him.

I really am starting to think this person is a minor or an undercover officer that was checking out someone else, or something like that. Otherwise, why the silence?

 

[katydid23]

I know they searched the house, but did cadaver dogs, not scent dogs, but trained cadaver search dogs, ever clear the house?

 

[LCoastMom]

Here'swhat I don't get about the "friend". If I believed that someone might have taken my child, and if I believed that LE was wrong in their assertion that he had not, even if LE asked me to be quiet and not give their name...I would.

They would have to arrest me to shut me up. But both JD and SB are stone silent on this person, lately the only thing that they have said about him is that LE asked them not to talk about him.

I really am starting to think this person is a minor or an undercover officer that was checking out someone else, or something like that. Otherwise, why the silence?

BBM - If LE is working from more than one possible POI (letting the family believe this person is responsible for Josh being missing), then JD and SB have been told to keep it on the low down, they are attempting to assist LE with the hopes of getting their child back.

Nothing else really makes much sense, I wonder if there is a PI working on this for them. I cannot imagine getting up or going to sleep everyday not knowing where my child is and I'm with you, I'd have posters printed with both pictures, hoping someone remembers something.

Where's Josh?

 

[Dee10]

The picture was originally posted on the Find Joshua Davis Facebook on February 6th.

2 days after Joshua went missing.

It was not anywhere else before that, as far as I know. I have looked through numerous families facebooks as well as other places. I never saw this picture posted anywhere before February 6th.

Do you know or anyone know who started this group?? I liked when you knew who the admins were. I think it can be important (in these cases). TIA

 

[Dee10]

See, I am torn here on the non-family members not sure which or any way it will go, so going to play devils-advocate with the posts above to toss an idea to the mix is all.

We have father &/or mother making (let say making a couple or a few) statements about the friend...but not anything about another family member (suspicion) correct? IF you have suspicions about "anyone in particular" in taking your child...would you be passing out fliers or organizing a one weekend search or would you be screaming, camping on "your" friends doorstep??? I have to be honest and question either one or both the parents in this regard, if they believe this friend took their son, why would you pass out fliers to strangers? It defies logic IMO, not only they did they do this, that the other family members seem to be silent on "the friend". Given the same situation, my family would be all-over that friend YWIM, what would yours do? Also think it is very important to add LE has stated no kidnapping, no abduction, which in my mind rules (basically) out the friend.

 

[Noway]

I found it odd they had the 6 yo passing out fliers ... if they really thought someone had taken Joshua.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

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