TX TX - Joshua Davis, 18 months, New Braunfels, 4 Feb 2011 - # 5

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  • #361
I've seen stories that say "relatives" had been given a poly and "everyone who lives in the house" had been given a poly. But nothing specific about the friend. Or about anyone other than the RSO being cleared in connection to Joshua's disappearance.

I wish I'd been keeping track of media articles/video like I had in the past. Grrrrrr at myself.

http://www.ksat.com/news/26777491/detail.html
relatives and everyone who lives in the household

According to Jerome Davis, Joshua's grandfather, that also includes administering polygraph tests to everyone who lives in the household.

Davis made the comments as he arrived at the police station Monday morning to submit to the exam, which police often use to detect inconsistencies in statements made by witnesses or suspects in crimes.
 
  • #362
Then I'm left scratching my head at who lives in the household? LOL this is a mess a hot mess and it would be funny if Joshua weren't missing and more than likely deceased. :(
 
  • #363
Someone just posted this article int he news that makes you smile forum but a little boy 2 yrs old wandered away... they brought in bloodhounds and used infrared tracking and still couldn't find him.. turns out he was just across the street and behind a garage....
.. now i'm starting to wonder of maybe Joshua is within the 2 mile radius they say has been cleared...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14369871
 
  • #364
I've seen stories that say "relatives" had been given a poly and "everyone who lives in the house" had been given a poly. But nothing specific about the friend. Or about anyone other than the RSO being cleared in connection to Joshua's disappearance.

I wish I'd been keeping track of media articles/video like I had in the past. Grrrrrr at myself.

http://www.ksat.com/news/26777491/detail.html
relatives and everyone who lives in the household

According to Jerome Davis, Joshua's grandfather, that also includes administering polygraph tests to everyone who lives in the household.

Davis made the comments as he arrived at the police station Monday morning to submit to the exam, which police often use to detect inconsistencies in statements made by witnesses or suspects in crimes.

I thought JD was referring to those who live in the house, not necessarily the friend - when he said everyone in the house had taken a poly (except SB).

I hope that reward loosens the right lips and LE is getting good tips but how sad that $$$$ is bringing people out there, when an 18 month old baby boy is missing...
 
  • #365
Someone just posted this article int he news that makes you smile forum but a little boy 2 yrs old wandered away... they brought in bloodhounds and used infrared tracking and still couldn't find him.. turns out he was just across the street and behind a garage....
.. now i'm starting to wonder of maybe Joshua is within the 2 mile radius they say has been cleared...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14369871

This is upsetting ... why didn't LE go door to door and tell people a 2 yo was missing? And how could he be so close and they couldn't find him?

snipped and bold by me (removed names and used initials)

T was reported missing around 8:00pm Friday from a residence on Ashley Creek Drive. Matthews said the boy's mother, 25-year-old JMJ, and her boyfriend JG told investigators Tyler went to get some juice and didn't come back.


Kershaw County deputies used a bloodhound tracking team and a SLED helicopter with infrared capabilities, but called the search off around 12:30am Saturday.

and

DuB had no idea a story of devotion and survival was playing out right outside her door. "When we saw the choppers last night, we just assumed a criminal was loose, so I locked the door," said LH, who also lives at the house. "The last thing I was gonna do is go outside."
 
  • #366
This is upsetting ... why didn't LE go door to door and tell people a 2 yo was missing? And how could he be so close and they couldn't find him?

snipped and bold by me (removed names and used initials)

T was reported missing around 8:00pm Friday from a residence on Ashley Creek Drive. Matthews said the boy's mother, 25-year-old JMJ, and her boyfriend JG told investigators Tyler went to get some juice and didn't come back.


Kershaw County deputies used a bloodhound tracking team and a SLED helicopter with infrared capabilities, but called the search off around 12:30am Saturday.

and

DuB had no idea a story of devotion and survival was playing out right outside her door. "When we saw the choppers last night, we just assumed a criminal was loose, so I locked the door," said LH, who also lives at the house. "The last thing I was gonna do is go outside."

I agree!!!! He was soooooo close. What if the dog hadn't been with him? And what if it had gotten even colder?

Where are you sweet baby Joshua?
 
  • #367
This just makes me think Joshua could have suffered the same fate. Except he had no dog.

(Which makes me wonder if the parents above even noticed that the dog was missing too. ... that story raises my hinky meter)
 
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This just makes me think Joshua could have suffered the same fate. Except he had no dog.

(Which makes me wonder if the parents above even noticed that the dog was missing too. ... that story raises my hinky meter)

I was actually thinking the same thing! If my child and my dog were missing - at least one of them would have come to my call - IF I had been calling!!!!

I honestly believe if something bad happened to Joshua that night, SB doesn't know. At least, I hope she doesn't.
 
  • #370
I was actually thinking the same thing! If my child and my dog were missing - at least one of them would have come to my call - IF I had been calling!!!!

I honestly believe if something bad happened to Joshua that night, SB doesn't know. At least, I hope she doesn't.

BBM

I agree with this 100% !!
 
  • #371
I have something to is going on that I will not be online for probably about 2 weeks or longer. I'm not sure the exact date but I think it should start around the time that the interview with the family starts. (It's a good thing, not anything bad going on here).

Could someone be so kind as to transcribe the show that pertains to Joshua please? It would be very appreciated.
 
  • #372
Kat you will be missed!!!!!!!!
 
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  • #374
Radio show was a wealth of information. Noway could I capture even 1/4 of it, SB can talk as fast as BD at times lol, other times it was easier.
When asked to read the poster of missing Joshua, Sabrina reads “his eye color WAS brown”.

Friend was drinking & something about the bathroom. Bathroom was mentioned later too.

No semantics problem – she was asked several times, about her term using the word “jumped” up. Seems to stand by it, one point she said she “ran” to find him. This was asked a couple time through the show.

Josh answered that he is his fathers or his grandfather’s friend, who is 19 or 20 from a wealthy family. He had a six-pack…was downing them pretty good. He may have drank more after he left. Although he supposedly refused a poly ~ no red flags according to LE (according to Josh).

Godmother (BG) IS always around & watches the kids while they are at work.

Names were given of who was there, but not who lives there! A 4 month old baby was there.

This part is sketchy & I need to review, but I got friend left by the back door & said “bye” to SB. She said parking is out front, Godmother said it took 2 or 3 minutes for him to leave in the truck.

LE made the family leave for 6 hours, took their clothes, Josh’s clothes that he had been changed out of. The dogs were in the house & they took things they were interested in.

Regarding the bucket & tarps, a week before there was a deer and the tarp was used. Fast talking missed. Forensics not in yet???

3 Different sets of dogs – no scent of Josh out the yard, I took as outside the perimeter but not sure.

Police don’t tell them anything – forensics still out – everyone passed the poly.

Asked father how long did he know the friend: 6 to 8 years, he feels comfortable around him. SB says “no suspicions, didn’t really know him, but would smoke with him outside. Later Josh said it was common that the friend would be there over all the time & he also bought his beer as he was under age.

SB was asked if there were drugs in the home? Fast “No”, asked if you or Josh take drugs? Fast “No”.

Great Aunt Jennifer was interviewed – Host noted she spoke of Josh in past tense. She gave her opinion of SB that she always had the baby with her, he was clean, his hair was just so, name-brand clothes. Father – “Can’t say he was a bad dad.”

The parents are working on getting a donation account setup through a lawyer. They were doing searches every other Sat. but it was unclear by the mom when the last one exactly was (at least to me).
 
  • #375
Thank you, Dee10. I was not able to listen. One thing I thought of when reading your summary is the 'friend' being underage. To me, if there was an accident outside (such as him hitting Joshua was he was leaving), a teen may be more likely to panic and not tell anyone, disposing of any evidence. Not trying to say that all teens would or that all adults are trustworthy - I think it's a maturity/'life experience' issue?

Still on the fence about what I think happened that night, but I hope there is justice for Joshua.
 
  • #376
"... friend left by the back door & said “bye” to SB. She said parking is out front, Godmother said it took 2 or 3 minutes for him to leave in the truck."




That part concerns me too. It was said earlier that the back steps were all iced up. Why would the friend want to go out back when the parking is out front.

I suppose since he was drinking a lot of beer and only about 20 yrs old, he probably was going to the bathroom outside. Seems like a drunken thing to do. Still, I wonder about the timing of his coming and going. And was he driving after all of those beers?

Could he have accidentally run over the poor child ? Being a rich kid of such a young age, and being drunk, I could easily see him choosing to cover up such a tragedy instead of speaking up. IDK, just sayin...


ETA: Just read your post Belimom-- looks like we are on the same page...
 
  • #377
:seeya: Bellimom

The replay is available if anyone missed it, I suggest you open up in "my default player" as you can stop it & do quick replay...sometimes there is fast talking. I have to listen to the tape again. It was really interesting to hear voice statement vs print...big difference!

Would appreciate everyone's thoughts.
 
  • #378
"... friend left by the back door & said “bye” to SB. She said parking is out front, Godmother said it took 2 or 3 minutes for him to leave in the truck."




That part concerns me too. It was said earlier that the back steps were all iced up. Why would the friend want to go out back when the parking is out front.

I suppose since he was drinking a lot of beer and only about 20 yrs old, he probably was going to the bathroom outside. Seems like a drunken thing to do. Still, I wonder about the timing of his coming and going. And was he driving after all of those beers?

Could he have accidentally run over the poor child ? Being a rich kid of such a young age, and being drunk, I could easily see him choosing to cover up such a tragedy instead of speaking up. IDK, just sayin...


ETA: Just read your post Belimom-- looks like we are on the same page...

This a real interesting part. SB talks about the back door twice very fast. Hubby said he bought the friend a six pack, he talks about where the beer was & I am sketchy (he's talking fast) I think the fridge & his truck. He said something about he may have drank some later? Huh? So, does that mean he drank less than a 6 pack? Was there any of his beer left in the fridge?
 
  • #379
I'll transcribe what I hear. Couldn't listen until now.
 
  • #380
I just listened to the interview again, and it makes my heart hurt. I'm 98.3% positive that baby Joshua's family had nothing to do with his disappearance. If any of them are reading this, again, I apologize for the judgments I made initially.

I jotted down a couple of issues/thoughts that came to mind when I was listening, I can't wait to read other people's take on the issues...

*drinking-I am now wondering just how drunk JD and the family "friend" were. Did LE note how drunk JD was in a report, or was he not drunk at all and only drinking earlier as he said. A 24 oz beer is not really that much alcohol, I can drink 2 beers (12 oz) and about 2 hours later be perfectly fine to drive again.

*using the bathroom outside-This may sound weird, but in the cold freezing weather, wouldn't that be hard or painful for a man to do? Why would you use the bathroom outside, when there is a working bathroom inside that you've probably used on numerous occasions?

*delay in forensics-is NBPD guilty as charged? Did they really not talk to the family "friend" until the next day, when he was the ONLY person not accounted for at the scene when the crime was reported? Also, did they really wait a few days to take the truck and have it examined? I mean, a lay person would probably miss cleaning certain spots or fibers, but to give a person a chance to hide or clean evidence is irresponsible.

*language-people are making SUCH a big deal about the way the family speaks "the baby" or speaking in past tense. If you notice though, at least SB says "the grandfather" "the godmother" etc. Who knows why she says it. We know nothing about her education level, whether English was her first language, etc. I understand their reasoning for speaking in the past tense. It's not something people do on purpose, and it is interesting, but I'm not sure it really matters in this case. Like the aunt says, she is speaking in the past tense because baby Joshua is not here NOW (in the present).

*bucket and tarp
is a nonissue (?)-it had blood on it, and as JD explained, it was animal blood. Only time will tell if that's true, but it's a very plausible explanation, and it's a story that is easily confirmed or denied.

*no scent-this just reconfirms what we already knew. Baby Joshua's scent was not found outside of that yard. By any of the 3 or 4 different sets of dogs who looked for him.

*crying at certain points-I can't ignore how emotional SB was, and at one point JD as well. I was crying listening to SB, and I don't think anyone could fake that. People try to fake it, and it comes off as whining or you can catch that it's not authentic (think Susan Smith)

*LE hush mode with the parents-I'm starting to question in my mind if LE has screwed up at some point. Why not keep the parents informed, their child is missing. Even if you suspect the parents, you are probably keeping them under some type of surveillance or phone tapping, so tell them what's going on and see where it goes. If the parents are innocent, and the NBPD is treating them as the parents allege, then it's shameful.

*the FAMILY FRIEND-I don't like the term "hinky meter" lol but this family friend has my hinky meter going HAYWIRE! Police did conduct searches near his home though, so I'm not going to say that they ruled out the family friend completely.

*Nancy Grace was edited?-this is kind of off topic, but I really thought the show was 100% live, just with a 7 minute delay. I think this means that the transcripts from Nancy Grace should be considered "rumor" as well.

*her story hasn't changed-she's telling the same story basically. All the time. There are minor variations in wording/timing/etc, but that's expected. If the story were verbatim each time, then that'd be kind of weird.

*honesty about the beer-JD was honest about it, and he could have denied it. The family friend, nor the police, are going to come out and contradict his story at this point. I think he's being honest and speaking candidly about a lot of things when he doesn't have to be.

*DWI-I can't find out if this family "friend" had a DWI or not, but if the kid comes from money, then it wouldn't surprise me that it was swept under the rug or sent for diversion of some sort.

*drugs-someone earlier posted that SB answered this question fast. She actually did not. She simply said NO and that was all. How can a person pick more from that than what was there? She was asked is there an issue with drugs in the home, she said no. Then she was asked if she or Joshua takes drugs, she said no. So what?

*there's no way this family is outsmarting all of those agencies. NO WAY.-I am not speaking badly of the family, but they don't seem intelligent enough on their own to be outsmarting the FBI, the Texas Rangers, and the NBPD. The Texas Rangers are an elite LE agency...elite. Now, the family "friend" on the other hand, could be outsmarting those agencies with the help of his affluent family or lawyers. That's just my opinion.

*she wasn't off partying all the time-that tells us a little about her parenting, even though she's a relatively young mother. So barring an accident, I can't really see why she'd want the baby gone. No one can deny, in all of his pics, he looks like a really happy baby. Well taken care of, like the aunt said, and healthy. He doesn't look abused, scared, or malnourished. Motive plays a big part in these cases...so if a plausible one, and not one based on rumors is presented, my mind might change...

*to ask the question about J (the aunt) using the past tense was so insensitive, I love the Bring them Home show, but could they not stand to be a little more compassionate?

*she reminds me SO MUCH of my sister in law. She sounds exactly like her, even pronounces words the same way.

That's all for now; I've typed a book I'm sure. Still going to keep positive thoughts and prayers for baby Joshua. Everything above is JMO
 
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