TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #2

[Philigumbo]

Praying, too, and still waiting for justice for our girls!

 

[Deleted member 165916]

There is something peculiar going on. I am rarely stuck on how to tackle a problem head on. I'm never afraid to. But, this is different. I had a well organized list for my "messages" to LE. From the outside looking in, you wouldn't think anything was in motion. The problem is this: things are constantly in motion. My list has been edited, changed, added to, and deleted from. There is a clock ticking. It gets louder and louder every year. Life is brief and time is a thief. There may be no justice this side of heaven. But, there is ultimate justice. That, alone, is all I need to believe there is a God. I could really use His help right now. Thanks for the prayers. If I can't get the answers, I must have peace.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I haven’t followed this case as closely as some of you and appreciate all the work you’ve done.

I haven’t had a chance to read every post but wanted to share a thought.

Warning- this is graphic.

I read TT owned a transmission shop. Mechanics often use ‘acid baths’ to clean engine parts. Acid that can also be used to liquefy a dead body.

IMO, I don’t believe this was a random abduction either. The letter from Rachel to TT should’ve raised HUGE suspicion among LE.

I’ve subscribed to this thread and will follow along for updates.



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[Philigumbo]

I haven’t followed this case as closely as some of you and appreciate all the work you’ve done.

I haven’t had a chance to read every post but wanted to share a thought.

Warning- this is graphic.

I read TT owned a transmission shop. Mechanics often use ‘acid baths’ to clean engine parts. Acid that can also be used to liquefy a dead body.

IMO, I don’t believe this was a random abduction either. The letter from Rachel to TT should’ve raised HUGE suspicion among LE.

I’ve subscribed to this thread and will follow along for updates.



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Thank you! Need all the help we can get! I’ve thought about the chemicals TT had available as well. Welcome to the girl’s forum!

 

[Philigumbo]

There is something peculiar going on. I am rarely stuck on how to tackle a problem head on. I'm never afraid to. But, this is different. I had a well organized list for my "messages" to LE. From the outside looking in, you wouldn't think anything was in motion. The problem is this: things are constantly in motion. My list has been edited, changed, added to, and deleted from. There is a clock ticking. It gets louder and louder every year. Life is brief and time is a thief. There may be no justice this side of heaven. But, there is ultimate justice. That, alone, is all I need to believe there is a God. I could really use His help right now. Thanks for the prayers. If I can't get the answers, I must have peace.

FW Cat, I’m confused. Do you mean someone else has changed your list? If so, do you store it online or on your computer drive? More prayers for you going up.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Thank you for your thoughts. The problem with that scenario is that the parents of the two younger girls were looking for them by 4:30 that afternoon, and TT whereabouts was determined and verified by 8pm. So, it does not fit the timeline unless he stashed them somewhere and disposed of their bodies some time later. LE had eyes on him immediately and from that point forward. It's unlikely he had an opportunity to do what you are suggesting. Whatever he did with them was over and done with no later than 6pm. Good thinking - just doesn't work with the timeline.

 

[Philigumbo]

Thank you for your thoughts. The problem with that scenario is that the parents of the two younger girls were looking for them by 4:30 that afternoon, and TT whereabouts was determined and verified by 8pm. So, it does not fit the timeline unless he stashed them somewhere and disposed of their bodies some time later. LE had eyes on him immediately and from that point forward. It's unlikely he had an opportunity to do what you are suggesting. Whatever he did with them was over and done with no later than 6pm. Good thinking - just doesn't work with the timeline.

Is that a response you received from the detective?

 

[Deleted member 165916]

From witnesses.

 

[Ozoner]

Thank you for your thoughts. The problem with that scenario is that the parents of the two younger girls were looking for them by 4:30 that afternoon, and TT whereabouts was determined and verified by 8pm. So, it does not fit the timeline unless he stashed them somewhere and disposed of their bodies some time later. LE had eyes on him immediately and from that point forward. It's unlikely he had an opportunity to do what you are suggesting. Whatever he did with them was over and done with no later than 6pm. Good thinking - just doesn't work with the timeline.

From witnesses.

If it was over that quickly, do you believe it was pre-planned.
I'm open to the possibility that TT murdered the girls, but I can't say that I'm certain at this point. If they're found underwater in a car linked to him, that would seal the deal for me. I wish they'd get it in gear and raise those vehicles.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

No. I don't believe it was pre-planned. Mostly, because I cannot imagine a worse "plan." If you live under the same roof, why do something as outrageous and risky as taking the one you want dead, in broad daylight ,along with 2 witnesses you don't know? Julie was a little girl. She looked like a nine-year-old child. He could not possibly have mistaken her for a teenager. In this order:
1) Identify any and all cars that dropped off the grid after 12/23/74.
2) Examine each and every one on that list for ownership or access by TT.
3) Dive again. Get VIN #'s
Why is this a hard thing to do? It's simple - but not easy.

 

[Philigumbo]

Where was TT in the afternoon? I know family (Rachel’s mother) said at the shop but that was not verified as if I remember correctly.
Also, could it be possible the girls left the mall (under a time restraint, Renee’s party, Julie’s curfew) and went by the shop, encountering an enraged TT when he realized Rachel has gone shopping after all, and TT returned the car in the afternoon to the mall, before 4:30? In the shop they could have been moved to the unknown car, and that car hidden even in broad daylight, anywhere. And that car can still be in the lake, even if placed at a later time. Perhaps the timeline started sooner than thought. TT could have been in the shop when Rachel’s mother called there, but the actions were already underway. His employee, Rachel’s father, was home sick with cancer. Was anyone else verified to be at the shop?
Or TT could have met them at the mall, taken them to the shop, and then returned the car before 4:30.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

That's a lot to unravel; but here goes.
Under no theory would Rachel have gone by the shop. She was sneaking out to go at all. When the police asked Rachel's mother where TT was that afternoon she replied, " At work, at his shop." But, being the police that comes with a follow-up question. "How do you know he was there?" And according to witnesses she responded, "Because I was there." Witnesses know she was home all day. My thinking on that lie is this (leaving Francis out of it for now.) My theory is that about 4:00 he called Rachel's parent's house. He wanted to check in with people. He probably called home and talked to Debbie, again. He asked Francis if Rachel was over there. He told her he called home and there was no answer. Although we know Debbie was there. He set up his own alibi by explaining to them he was going to close the shop early and go straight to the bowling alley for his usual Monday Night League instead of going home first - since Rachel was still out. I don't think he made those phone calls from his shop. I think he made them from a payphone on Granbury Rd. - about a 20 minute walk to the bowling alley. So when he talked to Francis she took his story at face value. (The girls aren't missing yet.) When the police challenged her with a follow-up question she didn't expect, she got defensive and lied. If she believed TT was there because of a phone call "from the shop," that's what she should told the police. Instead she lied, so they would stop suspecting and investigating her family members? People feel that's the logical explanation especially as time went on. She wasn't there. She cannot testify as to his whereabouts for one minute of that entire day.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

I would add this to that. No never mind. Well, one thing.....From 10:30pm that Monday night - for hours, days, weeks, months...the eyes of Texas were upon him. What he did was the simplest thing. There was nothing to clean up; there was no accomplice. There was no plan. He hasn't away with this because he's smart. He's just lucky.

 

[Philigumbo]

I would add this to that. No never mind. Well, one thing.....From 10:30pm that Monday night - for hours, days, weeks, months...the eyes of Texas were upon him. What he did was the simplest thing. There was nothing to clean up; there was no accomplice. There was no plan. He hasn't away with this because he's smart. He's just lucky.

Agreed.

 

[Philigumbo]

That's a lot to unravel; but here goes.
Under no theory would Rachel have gone by the shop. She was sneaking out to go at all. When the police asked Rachel's mother where TT was that afternoon she replied, " At work, at his shop." But, being the police that comes with a follow-up question. "How do you know he was there?" And according to witnesses she responded, "Because I was there." Witnesses know she was home all day. My thinking on that lie is this (leaving Francis out of it for now.) My theory is that about 4:00 he called Rachel's parent's house. He wanted to check in with people. He probably called home and talked to Debbie, again. He asked Francis if Rachel was over there. He told her he called home and there was no answer. Although we know Debbie was there. He set up his own alibi by explaining to them he was going to close the shop early and go straight to the bowling alley for his usual Monday Night League instead of going home first - since Rachel was still out. I don't think he made those phone calls from his shop. I think he made them from a payphone on Granbury Rd. - about a 20 minute walk to the bowling alley. So when he talked to Francis she took his story at face value. (The girls aren't missing yet.) When the police challenged her with a follow-up question she didn't expect, she got defensive and lied. If she believed TT was there because of a phone call "from the shop," that's what she should told the police. Instead she lied, so they would stop suspecting and investigating her family members? People feel that's the logical explanation especially as time went on. She wasn't there. She cannot testify as to his whereabouts for one minute of that entire day.

Can any one? Is there a timeline of his day? Alibis besides the calls?

 

[JerseyGirl]

They went Christmas shopping and never came home. 4 decades later, he’s still searching

On Saturday, it will have been 43 years since Rachel Trlica, 17, Lisa Renee Wilson, 14, and Julie Moseley, 9, disappeared from what was then Seminary South Shopping Center.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article190970694.html

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Can any one? Is there a timeline of his day? Alibis besides the calls?

No.No. No.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Thank you for posting this year's sad propaganda. Saw it yesterday. Made me sick. Same people telling the same lies, along with some new lies, spreading the same disinformation, looking to wring more money out of a tragedy you'd think belonged to just one family. If they worked half as hard at finding Rachel as they do "looking" for her there are a lot of other families that would have had answers 43 years ago. Tomorrow. Can't lead. Won't follow. Won't get out of the way. I wasn't going to post this article. Thanks for doing it.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

43 years today.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

I'll get back to work on Tuesday. I have spent the past few weeks drilling down into the Carla Walker abduction and murder that occurred in February 1974. I believe the two investigations are related...not the crimes...the LE response. Our girls' case was contaminated by that failed investigation. They had a crime scene, eye-witnesses, a body, physical evidence and multiple suspects they are still unable to clear. They have everything needed. Yet, it is unsolved. So, here we are, and our case has none of those critical tools. All those cops are dead or retired. I'm going to peel the lid off this before I die - if it kills me. I don't care who it upsets. I'm done.