TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #2

[Deleted member 165916]

Amazed that you know all these things, FW Cat!

Have you got any useful response from LE at all, after contacting?

I'm an experienced diver.

No. I never expect LE to contact me in response to anything that's going on. hat way, I am never disappointed. I'm not family. LE owes me nothing. I watch and wait to see if anything changes. If it doesn't - that's my answer.


Since you bring up LE; there is something I want to share with everyone here.

I've made light of the tedious process and spectacular patience required to "help" LE and stay out the way at the same time. It mostly feels like you are sending whatever "help" looks like to you into a "black hole."

Instead of taking it personally; I figure I am either not asking the right question or not talking to the right person. I do my best to show my authentic respect for for LE. ~ not because I believe for a minute any of them are watching. No. It is in recognition that, this side of heaven, what we try to accomplish here for ourselves or others will never be finished without them.


A thing like this happens and I am reminded; I can do better. It may not hurt to roll my eyes at the number of Cold Case detectives that have been assigned only to “retire” in a year or so. Gee; he sounded young on the phone.

I never met this detective, spoke to him, or sent him an e-mail. Last November I had an idea to “drip” focused, brief notes to this man. My “Message in a Bottle Letters” were sent to his attention. He was the detective assigned. Then I heard a rumor that he “retired” after the first of the year. Wednesday, he was gone at 45. Thursday, I learned he was actually on medical leave.

You never know what anyone is going through; but everyone is going through something every day. You would not trade problems with any of them.

I’ll bet he sounded young on the phone.
R.I.P. Detective Rhoden.
[Star-Telegram; snips of his obituary]

 

[Owutatangledweb]

RIP officer Rhoden.

 

[Via Marple]

Oh no. RIP.

I am thinking that since this case is likely to still be classified by LE as "missing persons" and not homicide, given its absence on their website, it might be rather low down in priority for the cold case detectives. If he could, he would have responded to you, FW Cat.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Oh no. RIP.

I am thinking that since this case is likely to still be classified by LE as "missing persons" and not homicide, given its absence on their website, it might be rather low down in priority for the cold case detectives. If he could, he would have responded to you, FW Cat.

Did not mean to imply any criticism at all. As I stated I expect nothing. Though, I have directed a few carefully worded, brief, yes or no questions of LE. I am not ignored, nor do I feel ignored. The case is being handled by the Major Homicide Case Unit. We have the best FWPD has to offer.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Something occurred to me a few days ago. I believe LE are satisfied that the matter of "The hastily written Letter" is resolved where the investigation is concerned. It came back to life in the 90's confusing everyone. It has little value unless Rachel indeed wrote it. The envelope still bothers me. Who sent Tommy a Christmas card? Not Mr.& Mrs. Thomas A. Trlica. Then it hit me. It is his father's house.
Growing up my mother expanded her Christmas Card List every year. It was what many women did - very 50's social grace, etiquette thing.
My mother's list included families we met camping for a week in Toronto. Of course everyone my parents knew in college - couples they met at The Seminary. You never took someone off your Christmas Card List, unless they died. But you would not remove their living spouse. Maybe someone in a nursing home up the street, hadn't heard that Tommy's father died. Thomas A. Trlica, Sr.
A cascade of small things. That is life on any given day.
What if it were as simple as that?

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Did not mean to imply any criticism at all. As I stated I expect nothing. Though, I have directed a few carefully worded, brief, yes or no questions of LE. I am not ignored, nor do I feel ignored. The case is being handled by the Major Homicide Case Unit. We have the best FWPD has to offer.

That does not sound as flattering as intended.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

What if it were as simple as that?

Doh! I should have double-checked. I have a good memory; but dad's name was Albert Paul Trlica. That That Envelope bugs me . But the postmark doesn't.

 

[Via Marple]

Something occurred to me a few days ago. I believe LE are satisfied that the matter of "The hastily written Letter" is resolved where the investigation is concerned. It came back to life in the 90's confusing everyone. It has little value unless Rachel indeed wrote it. The envelope still bothers me. Who sent Tommy a Christmas card? Not Mr.& Mrs. Thomas A. Trlica. Then it hit me. It is his father's house.
Growing up my mother expanded her Christmas Card List every year. It was what many women did - very 50's social grace, etiquette thing.
My mother's list included families we met camping for a week in Toronto. Of course everyone my parents knew in college - couples they met at The Seminary. You never took someone off your Christmas Card List, unless they died. But you would not remove their living spouse. Maybe someone in a nursing home up the street, hadn't heard that Tommy's father died. Thomas A. Trlica, Sr.
A cascade of small things. That is life on any given day.
What if it were as simple as that?

If it's really a Xmas card envelope, 'reused', it might have been sent by someone who didn't know he had got married. They were married for just a few months, right?

 

[Deleted member 165916]

If it's really a Xmas card envelope, 'reused', it might have been sent by someone who didn't know he had got married. They were married for just a few months, right?

It was a Christmas Card envelope dug out of the trash. Debbie flew the note over to her mom, who calls the police. Tthey pass this vital scrap of information around the room. "You got this in the mail? Where's the envelope?" Oh sh*t!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 165916]

If it's really a Xmas card envelope, 'reused', it might have been sent by someone who didn't know he had got married. They were married for just a few months, right?

Until my recent "brainstorm" I chalked the envelope to some random customer or neighbor who had him on a list. This evening something entirely new was brought to my attention. Now; I'm exploring other options. It will not tell us where the girls are or what happened. It is evidence that someone lied. Probably a conspiracy of lies, though it will not result in an arrest or confession, let alone a conviction. The letter is a messy detail I would like nice and tidy.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

After nearly 44 years, families of missing Fort Worth girls could get answers soon | Fort Worth | Dallas News

Rusty Arnold has been grieving for more than four decades.

Arnold was 11 when his sister and two neighbors disappeared from a South Fort Worth shopping center in 1974. Despite thousands of leads, dozens of searches and hundreds of interviews, Rachel Arnold Trlica, 17, Renee Wilson, 14 and Julie Moseley, 9, were never found.

Burns didn't know about the case until last month, when he overheard a woman talking about it at a Fort Worth restaurant. She mentioned that there were cars in Benbrook Lake, which piqued Burns' attention.

"Someone's gotta be willing to step up and help them," he said. "I called Rusty immediately."

Burns, who runs a group called North Texas Marine Salvage and Recovery, assembled a team of his divers for a volunteer mission he calls "Operation Bring Them Up."

On Monday, the volunteers located the first car and marked it with a buoy. The first week of August, they plan to locate and mark the two other cars, which are about 40 feet underwater.

 

[Via Marple]

Whatever method they use, I wish them success in their operation. The divers seem to have a lot of support from local authorities. Fingers crossed there will be evidence...

 

[sloane7777]

YAY!!!!!! OMG how I wish I could watch them bring the cars up ! I'm so happy that he's helping !!!!

 

[Via Marple]

Btw I just reread the front page article on missingtrio.com, published in 2000 by Star Telegram.

They had interviewed most of the families. It wasn't Fran who was searching and paging the girls at the shopping centre that day; it was Judy Wilson.

There was a discussion on that on this thread a while ago. Does this report settle it?

 

[TGwebs]

Btw I just reread the front page article on missingtrio.com, published in 2000 by Star Telegram.

They had interviewed most of the families. It wasn't Fran who was searching and paging the girls at the shopping centre that day; it was Judy Wilson.

There was a discussion on that on this thread a while ago. Does this report settle it?

Via Marple, no. That story was rife with errors. And Judy Wilson said she had the girls paged via telephone which doesn't negate Fran and Rusty's statements.

 

[TGwebs]

I am sorry to hear about Det Rhoden and FW_Cat, you are so right. You never know what someone else is going through. I always try to remind myself of that.

 

[Via Marple]

Via Marple, no. That story was rife with errors. And Judy Wilson said she had the girls paged via telephone which doesn't negate Fran and Rusty's statements.

TG, I admit Rusty's home page is hardly MSM, but he should have quoted it from Star Telegram, which I am not familar with.

Perhaps we should now find supporting MSM that provide Fran and Rusty's contradicting statements. Otherwise there is no end to this discussion!

 

[TGwebs]

Also, FW_Cat, you're an experienced diver? So impressed! And of course it g

TG, I admit Rusty's home page is hardly MSM, but he should have quoted it from Star Telegram, which I am not familar with.

Perhaps we should now find supporting MSM that provide Fran and Rusty's contradicting statements. Otherwise there is no end to this discussion!

Via Marple, the Star Telegram is the local paper in FW. The majority of published stories have come from their publication, both now and at the time of the disappearance. And again, Judy Wilson calling stores does not contradict Fran and Rusty's account of visiting them in person. Both things could have occurred. But ultimately, I don't think it makes a difference. It's the type of information you can spend a great deal of time attempting to clarify with zero affect on the outcome. They aren't suspects so it's just an interesting side show.

 

[Hazelnutty]

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see if the cars in the water hold any answers for families missing loved ones .

 

[Deleted member 165916]

That damn envelope...what if no one sent Thomas A. Trlica a Christmas card? What if his CC List southern mom was a lot like mine in other ways? He's living in his mom's house too. What if Debra and Rachel got down mom's decorations? Together with the bows and wrapping paper, gift tags, and the like - would no doubt be an assortment of unused cards from Christmas Past. The three people occupying TT's parents house are high-functioning teenagers or low-functioning adults depending on your POV. Maybe the only envelope available to him in that house was sitting out in plain sight because those boxes weren't put away? Works for me. How does that explain the fact that the letter doesn't fit in that envelope?