TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #3

[steverogers]

From 2/1975, Fort Worth Star Telegram.

That's interesting it must have not panned out.I would be interested in a name.I'm sure he was questioned since he was arrested at least I hope so.

 

[Suglo]

I know it is easy to sit at home judging what the families do and don’t do, but I really feel they should come together as a group and demand that LE actively pursue the case. They have enough followers now to begin an online campaign to force LE and City Hall to do something about this case. All that FB drama is convenient for LE. They don’t have to show they are actively pursuing the case as no one is demanding to know what they are doing. I have not seen a single post asking where they are in their investigation or asking if they have any POIs, etc. It’s all about Rusty and those cars in the lake which LE didn’t pursue. If there had been any evidence that <modsnip> suddenly had a car disappear I would imagine that LE could get the registration documents for 1974 and 1975 to see if the car ceased to legally exist in 1975.
Sorry I’m rambling now. I just find it hard to believe that more than 40 years have passed and no one has called out LE publicly to tell the public what they know. Maybe if they did, it would spark someone’s memory. The longer this goes on the less chance they have of solving it. Update the website, put pressure on LE by demanding they bring in an outside agency like the FBI. Stop playing detective and insist the real detectives do their jobs. JMO of course.

 

[Parksestx]

I know it is easy to sit at home judging what the families do and don’t do, but I really feel they should come together as a group and demand that LE actively pursue the case. They have enough followers now to begin an online campaign to force LE and City Hall to do something about this case. All that FB drama is convenient for LE. They don’t have to show they are actively pursuing the case as no one is demanding to know what they are doing. I have not seen a single post asking where they are in their investigation or asking if they have any POIs, etc. It’s all about Rusty and those cars in the lake which LE didn’t pursue. If there had been any evidence that <modsnip> suddenly had a car disappear I would imagine that LE could get the registration documents for 1974 and 1975 to see if the car ceased to legally exist in 1975.
Sorry I’m rambling now. I just find it hard to believe that more than 40 years have passed and no one has called out LE publicly to tell the public what they know. Maybe if they did, it would spark someone’s memory. The longer this goes on the less chance they have of solving it. Update the website, put pressure on LE by demanding they bring in an outside agency like the FBI. Stop playing detective and insist the real detectives do their jobs. JMO of course.

At this rate, anyone who knew anything will be deceased. Time to let some info out before that happens.

 

[Parksestx]

At this rate, anyone who knew anything will be deceased. Time to let some info out before that happens.

Or maybe that's the intent.....Keep all information confidential until anyone involved has deceased.

 

[Suglo]

At this rate, anyone who knew anything will be deceased. Time to let some info out before that happens.

Exactly. When was the last time LE actually held a press conference or said anything publicly about this case? Why isn’t this case listed on the Fort Worth Police Department’s 1970-1979 Cold Case thread? I just don’t get it.

 

[Parksestx]

From 2/1975, Fort Worth Star Telegram.

Man, I was in that particular Mott's store a LOT in the mid 70's. Too young to remember any of the clerks, though.

 

[raven9860]

Just that it was 3B and not a backwards 3 and that it was mailed from Wedgwood.I can't go back I let my feelings be known and left the group.

Gotcha.

 

[raven9860]

I know it is easy to sit at home judging what the families do and don’t do, but I really feel they should come together as a group and demand that LE actively pursue the case. They have enough followers now to begin an online campaign to force LE and City Hall to do something about this case. All that FB drama is convenient for LE. They don’t have to show they are actively pursuing the case as no one is demanding to know what they are doing. I have not seen a single post asking where they are in their investigation or asking if they have any POIs, etc. It’s all about Rusty and those cars in the lake which LE didn’t pursue. If there had been any evidence that <modsnip> suddenly had a car disappear I would imagine that LE could get the registration documents for 1974 and 1975 to see if the car ceased to legally exist in 1975.
Sorry I’m rambling now. I just find it hard to believe that more than 40 years have passed and no one has called out LE publicly to tell the public what they know. Maybe if they did, it would spark someone’s memory. The longer this goes on the less chance they have of solving it. Update the website, put pressure on LE by demanding they bring in an outside agency like the FBI. Stop playing detective and insist the real detectives do their jobs. JMO of course.

I couldnt agree more.
But I'll add that I think there may be one ego in the way. And sadly, that could keep important progress from happening.

 

[raven9860]

Exactly. When was the last time LE actually held a press conference or said anything publicly about this case? Why isn’t this case listed on the Fort Worth Police Department’s 1970-1979 Cold Case thread? I just don’t get it.

From what some members of the families have said, "cold cases" are homicides. As no bodies have been found in this case, it is still classified as "missing persons".

 

[raven9860]

Man, I was in that particular Mott's store a LOT in the mid 70's. Too young to remember any of the clerks, though.

Do you think you might know someone that would remember?

 

[raven9860]

LE is keeping quiet. You don't know whether there is ongoing investigation, or there is hardly any investigation! FW Cat was optimistic with the new detective, but that's a while ago now.

As for the families... I think TT's family is calling every TT related theory, pure fiction! I haven't seen any evidence provided though.

It seems everyone who's talking, doesn't know anything. Anyone who knows something, isn't talking.

As far as T's family goes, I feel for them too. I think (and know for some of the members of his family) this is hitting them in the gut as they were completely unaware of the disappearances. <modsnip - discussing fb group>I truly think they want to know the truth just like everyone else. JMO

 

[Parksestx]

Do you think you might know someone that would remember?

I've asked my mom all kinds of things about back then, but she's in her mid 70's now and has been gone from Fort Worth for over 40 years. Can't remember much at all, especially something as vague as a store clerk.

 

[Suglo]

I couldnt agree more.
But I'll add that I think there may be one ego in the way. And sadly, that could keep important progress from happening.

Oh I definitely agree with you! That ego is what has hampered this case for the past 20 or more years.

 

[Suglo]

From what some members of the families have said, "cold cases" are homicides. As no bodies have been found in this case, it is still classified as "missing persons".

That makes sense. Do they have a missing persons cold case thread on their website?

 

[jgfitzge]

I've asked my mom all kinds of things about back then, but she's in her mid 70's now and has been gone from Fort Worth for over 40 years. Can't remember much at all, especially something as vague as a store clerk.

Good try on your end, As I mentioned previously, going to college, I worked in the classic, suburban northeast mall with a Sears from 74-77. By accident I recently ran into a guy who worked in the mall and we had a few laughs rehashing old stories. We were pretty good naming most of the stores and throwing out names. I think the population you need to ask are people who were working there when they were 18-25...I know FB is not one of the favorite sites here but check this out - the mall I worked back in the 70's has their own website (like a class reunion site) So, maybe there is a similar site for the Seminary Shopping Center where a few well placed queries could yield some key information.

 

[3llecia]

<modsnip - quoted post removed>

I was falling to sleep last night and considering the Houston connection between the letter and a comment left by Debra here on WS, saying she met a DJ in Houston and he drove early morning to visit her but returned home (23rd or 24th? Dec) because she was occupied (or words to that effect.)

It could be totally coincidental, or maybe the alleged failed visit by this Houston DJ inspired the author of the impersonated message to TT.

 

[3llecia]

<modsnip - quoted post removed>

I was falling to sleep last night and considering the Houston connection between the letter and a comment left by Debra here on WS, saying she met a DJ in Houston and he drove early morning to visit her but returned home (23rd or 24th? Dec) because she was occupied (or words to that effect.)

It could be totally coincidental, or maybe the alleged failed visit by this Houston DJ inspired the author of the impersonated* message to TT.

clarification: I am currently of the opinion that letter was not authored by Rachel.

 

[raven9860]

I was falling to sleep last night and considering the Houston connection between the letter and a comment left by Debra here on WS, saying she met a DJ in Houston and he drove early morning to visit her but returned home (23rd or 24th? Dec) because she was occupied (or words to that effect.)

It could be totally coincidental, or maybe the alleged failed visit by this Houston DJ inspired the author of the impersonated* message to TT.

clarification: I am currently of the opinion that letter was not authored by Rachel.

Somewhere in an earlier post, I said that I wondered if the note was repurposed.
That possibly D was going to go back to Houston with the DJ, wrote part of the note, then didnt go and just added the "The car is in Sears' upper lot. Love, Rachel."

It would fit that scenario.

 

[raven9860]

The more I review old news articles from when the disappearance took place, and see how many persons of interest there were, and how many people the PD questioned and investigated, I'm beginning to change my mind about how FWPD handled the case.

Did they mess up in the beginning by looking at it as a runaway case. ABSOLUTELY.

BUT, I'm also seeing information that both Rachel's mother and TT, both initially said they thought Rachel wrote the letter. Also statements from people that claim to have seen the police report that say Rachel's mother falsely told police that she knew TT was at work because she was there with him.

Information like that leads me to think that more than a couple of folks weren't honest and forthcoming with the PD. And if that is the case, the police with taken down the wrong path from the get go.

Now of course PD should have looked at the fact that there were two minors with Rachel. And of course if they thought that Rachel ran away and took two minors with her, they should have charged her and viewed Renee and Julie as her kidnap victims. That didn't happen. But jumping to just a short period of time after the disappearance, everything I've seen reported tells me that the PD did work this case from top to bottom.

Jump to now. What I see now is someone very close to the case that is virtually ignoring any information that doesn't fit with their tunnel vision. I'm seeing VERY good and important information being handed to them and ZERO indication of that information is even acknowledged, much less being forwarded to the PD. I see someone that says they THEMSELF have excluded persons of interest and known serial killers. NOT the PD. Just that person on their own. Even to the point of that person going into an abandoned home where a convicted serial rapist (who was a good friend of Rachel's father, per a member of the family) had lived and searched and removed a bag containing human teeth that were found inside the house. That is NOT how a criminal investigation works. At least not if you want results. And never if you want ANY kind of relationship with the actually PD that are charged with working the case!

I guess my bottom line (jmo) is that yes, FWPD botched the investigation in the beginning. But I'm seeing reasons why that may have happened. And as for now? I just see someone with blinders on and whether they realize it or not, are working AGAINST what should be the ultimate goal.

 

[Via Marple]

The more I review old news articles from when the disappearance took place, and see how many persons of interest there were, and how many people the PD questioned and investigated, I'm beginning to change my mind about how FWPD handled the case.

Did they mess up in the beginning by looking at it as a runaway case. ABSOLUTELY.

BUT, I'm also seeing information that both Rachel's mother and TT, both initially said they thought Rachel wrote the letter. Also statements from people that claim to have seen the police report that say Rachel's mother falsely told police that she knew TT was at work because she was there with him.

Information like that leads me to think that more than a couple of folks weren't honest and forthcoming with the PD. And if that is the case, the police with taken down the wrong path from the get go.

Now of course PD should have looked at the fact that there were two minors with Rachel. And of course if they thought that Rachel ran away and took two minors with her, they should have charged her and viewed Renee and Julie as her kidnap victims. That didn't happen. But jumping to just a short period of time after the disappearance, everything I've seen reported tells me that the PD did work this case from top to bottom.

Jump to now. What I see now is someone very close to the case that is virtually ignoring any information that doesn't fit with their tunnel vision. I'm seeing VERY good and important information being handed to them and ZERO indication of that information is even acknowledged, much less being forwarded to the PD. I see someone that says they THEMSELF have excluded persons of interest and known serial killers. NOT the PD. Just that person on their own. Even to the point of that person going into an abandoned home where a convicted serial rapist (who was a good friend of Rachel's father, per a member of the family) had lived and searched and removed a bag containing human teeth that were found inside the house. That is NOT how a criminal investigation works. At least not if you want results. And never if you want ANY kind of relationship with the actually PD that are charged with working the case!

I guess my bottom line (jmo) is that yes, FWPD botched the investigation in the beginning. But I'm seeing reasons why that may have happened. And as for now? I just see someone with blinders on and whether they realize it or not, are working AGAINST what should be the ultimate goal.

Just so that I get you correctly - you mean the person who has a related website, and who has been bringing them up? I don't remember about the bag with human teeth (my bad memory) so just to be sure.

Also statements from people that claim to have seen the police report that say Rachel's mother falsely told police that she knew TT was at work because she was there with him.

Are there other sources you've seen, other than Cat?

I can understand why PD wasn't considering a "Rachel kidnapping other girls" scenario. The families must have assured them that Rachel was a great friend of Renee, and Renee a great friend of Julie. It's the human viewpoint versus legal viewpoint.