TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #3

[dms]

Speaking of outrageous stories...I read somewhere...recently...that FWPD has five boxes containing 18,000 documents. That's the entire case file. OK:

1. IF each "document" is one single sheet of paper
2. AND a ream of paper is 500 sheets
3. 18,000 /500 = 36 reams of paper
4. IF a case of paper contains 3 reams (15lbs.)
5. The Single-page-document "theory" is 12 cases/boxes of blank paper, weighing 180 pounds.
6. Those must be five HUGE boxes.

Yep. I'm back.

Even accounting for the inevitable duplication found in any large file -- that's massive. God, my fingers itch to get ahold of it.

 

[raven9860]

That pivotal moment when someone very important to the "bring them up" bunch overhears the the real-real and decides I should have that info.

And with that, I scratched "missing car" off my list.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

A naive translation question, which can be taken on notice for when this discussion gets underway.

I'm Aussie, we have a really casual language (and absorb a lot of US culture) but I've previously never come across this phrase. As I understand, there may have been an area in Texas where the phrase was more common. Is the verb "catch" being used in a similar manner to "get" in the below phrases?

I'm gonna get it | I'm gonna catch it
You're gonna get it | You're gonna catch it
They're gonna get it | They're gonna catch it

Pure "East Texas." More on that...just hang on.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

I had the impression that you had already looked at those that were hauled out...

ALL the cars hauled out over the years since that day. It's too late to inspect them. The FACT that a car disappeared - illegally, if connected to a POI will be 3,000 pounds of circumstantial evidence impossible to explain away.

 

[Via Marple]

ALL the cars hauled out over the years since that day. It's too late to inspect them. The FACT that a car disappeared - illegally, if connected to a POI will be 3,000 pounds of circumstantial evidence impossible to explain away.

By "looked at" I meant they might have already shared that info with you. I don't mean you had been standing by the shore inspecting for all these years! Though no one around here would doubt your dedication

Please discuss more.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Yes. My family would say, "gonna catch hell".

It's not at all an unusual phrase.

Ok, let's break it down - [East] Texas "expression-ary."
"Get caught": A child's biggest fear when they deliberately chose wrong over right.
"Catch it": Consequences of getting caught.
This first sentence is very important.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

So if a car is indeed missing from someone connected to this case, some in-depth research may be necessary to find it.

Exactly. I hoped to inspire LE to do that from the comfort of their air-conditioned cubicles. Phone calls - requests for records from agencies that cannot refuse to produce them. I failed. No one is destroying records that I know of. I have a list. Tarrant County Sheriff's Office is at the top.

 

[raven9860]

Ok, let's break it down - [East] Texas "expression-ary."
"Get caught": A child's biggest fear when they deliberately chose wrong over right.
"Catch it": Consequences of getting caught.
This first sentence is very important.

It is very important if a down right dastardly East-Texan wrote the letter.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

It is very important if a down right dastardly East-Texan wrote the letter.

So help me...East-Texas is permanent-press.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

The Letter: Why is it important? It has a place in the timeline. Beyond its content, beyond its author, beyond what lies and truths it reveals; its primary value is to the timeline. FACTS:

1. Rachel's husband claims to have received, by mail, a letter from his wife regarding the circumstances of her leaving without notice - around 10AM on December 24, 1974. He is on record with his account of that.
2. Rachel's sister Debra witnesses the husband's trip to and from the mailbox (on the wall outside the door.) He shows her the letter. She is on record with her account of that.
3. The letter is hand carried to Rachel and Debra's parents' home. Francis Arnold is on record with her account of that.
4. Francis calls LE, who come to her house and retrieve the letter. There is a police record of that.
5. Approximately 24 hours after the last time the three girls were positively seen alive and well - comes this direct communication.

The envelop is produced later. It boxes those 3 people into a sequence of events from which there is no plausible deniability. The FACT of the Letter is a tick on the elusive timeline.

 

[Deleted member 165916]

I'll get back to the letter... Before I do that, on a personal note, I continue to be astonished, amused, and horrified at how "out loud thinking" migrates from WS and is regurgitated to live on as fact, myth, and legend on the internet. In the future; I will "watermark" images and maps. Lie about me. Don't steal my research. So anyway...

 

[Deleted member 165916]

Here is something to think about while I catch up on my other sleuthing.
Refer to any maps or resources you have... there is something simple I've not pointed out. The distance from the nearest covered exit [Sears Garden Center] to the parked and locked 1998 Oldsmobile was in excess of two football fields [over 300 meters.] Whether by intimidation or invitation, accepting a lift back to your car when you are ready to go home is something no girl would have turned down - if it was someone she trusted. It was an overcast day - afternoon. Cool, but not chilly - 67 degrees F.

 

[raven9860]

I'll get back to the letter... Before I do that, on a personal note, I continue to be astonished, amused, and horrified at how "out loud thinking" migrates from WS and is regurgitated to live on as fact, myth, and legend on the internet. In the future; I will "watermark" images and maps. Lie about me. Don't steal my research. So anyway...

I'm also having that issued.

 

[Ozoner]

One question I've asked myself is, "Where would the girls have gone first if they were finished with their shopping?"
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Would Rachel have driven Julie and Renee back to their homes? Or would she have driven back to her own home to drop off the presents?
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If one discounts the varying accounts of girls being hustled into a van or car, then there's no concrete proof the girls were abducted from the mall. Someone else could have left the car in Sears' upper lot in order to misdirect the investigation.

 

[raven9860]

I'm going to refer to the disappearance as *the fact*.

Things to think about.

Before the fact: The person Rachel feared most?

Before the fact: The person D feared most?

 

[Via Marple]

So help me...East-Texas is permanent-press.

Excuse me... Does East Texas include Houston?

 

[Via Marple]

The Letter: Why is it important? It has a place in the timeline. Beyond its content, beyond its author, beyond what lies and truths it reveals; its primary value is to the timeline. FACTS:

1. Rachel's husband claims to have received, by mail, a letter from his wife regarding the circumstances of her leaving without notice - around 10AM on December 24, 1974. He is on record with his account of that.
2. Rachel's sister Debra witnesses the husband's trip to and from the mailbox (on the wall outside the door.) He shows her the letter. She is on record with her account of that.
3. The letter is hand carried to Rachel and Debra's parents' home. Francis Arnold is on record with her account of that.
4. Francis calls LE, who come to her house and retrieve the letter. There is a police record of that.
5. Approximately 24 hours after the last time the three girls were positively seen alive and well - comes this direct communication.

The envelop is produced later. It boxes those 3 people into a sequence of events from which there is no plausible deniability. The FACT of the Letter is a tick on the elusive timeline.

Yes it is important to clear up the timeline. But why focus on Dec 24? The girls would have long gone... Wherever they had gone.. For a long time.

Ahh don't tease me

 

[Via Marple]

One question I've asked myself is, "Where would the girls have gone first if they were finished with their shopping?"
-
Would Rachel have driven Julie and Renee back to their homes? Or would she have driven back to her own home to drop off the presents?
-
If one discounts the varying accounts of girls being hustled into a van or car, then there's no concrete proof the girls were abducted from the mall. Someone else could have left the car in Sears' upper lot in order to misdirect the investigation.

No, should not assume anything. But how can you explain the missing purchases from the car? You would expect the girls, if they had made it from mall to car, would have brought their purchases with them...

 

[raven9860]

Excuse me... Does East Texas include Houston?

Not at all.

 

[Dash]

Speaking up East Texas, Did a person of Interest live in Mabank or Eustace Texas? How many things could have been placed in Cedar Creek Lake? Later! Things might have been held for a while to alow a cooling off period then disposed of later. Or a simple car crusher used. There were strange things that we`nt on and people doing business were blocked from seeing violantly. Just rumors but nothing put togather
at the time.