Found Deceased TX - Leanne Bearden, 33, Garden Ridge, 17 Jan 2014 #11

  • #921
I read/viewed Josh's Story. Very very moving. My heart goes out to him, I can't even imagine his loss.

Question - he mentioned that Leanne had been found with HIS backpack, that was full of energy bars, water and 3 garbage bags. Can anyone explain WHY they think she took his backpack? And why the garbage bags?

I don't know the answer to your question, but if you go to "search this thread" and enter the term "backpack" you can see previous discussions regarding the backpack.

I went back to the previous thread (#10) and did that same search, but I still don't see any concrete reasoning for it.

Might have to search earlier threads.
 
  • #922
I'm glad her husband is starting this organization. It's a hard thing to explain, even to myself most days, but even if said group of people who would come to my funeral came together the day I was deciding to end my life, I wouldn't believe them. My brain wouldn't let me.

My thoughts are with her family.
 
  • #923
  • #924
Oh so, so sad. I'm so sorry the world was so hard for you Leanne. I wish you would have sought care because there is a great chance you would still be here right now and not having to fight your demons. Counseling and meds can shut those thoughts right down.

My apologies to Josh for ever have thought about him having something to do with it. I'm so sorry that I may have added any sadness and turmoil to his healing (I may have posted something here, but never outside of WS).
 
  • #925
Just watched it. It is just such a shame. I hope that somehow he is able to help others and find some peace.
 
  • #926
Question - he mentioned that Leanne had been found with HIS backpack, that was full of energy bars, water and 3 garbage bags. Can anyone explain WHY they think she took his backpack? And why the garbage bags?

My feeling is that she wanted something of Josh with her when she took her life. It was his backpack, he wore it on his body on their travels. Maybe it brought her comfort to have it with her, not for anything in the bag but because it was his and in a way part of him.

The garbage bags may have been brought to use to cover her head during the suicide to add an extra measure of finalness but she didn't use them. I actually knew someone who killed themselves with garbage bags over their head then they put blankets on top of that.
 
  • #927
Was she on anti-depressants in the past? Does anyone know, or did her family ever say?
 
  • #928
:banghead:
Was she on anti-depressants in the past? Does anyone know, or did her family ever say?

It sounds like that would be no, based on that long article and the video.

My heart and gratitude goes out to Josh for being willing to publicly sort through his feelings to help others. It's heartbreaking to imagine Leanne coming back to stand at the end of the driveway for a moment, contemplating... what? going back in? It must absolutely twist Josh's heart to imagine that moment.

What I guess I'm still not clear on - maybe because of the editing? or the questions the reporter was asking? is whether or not she suffered from depression before the end of their trip? Was she a depressed person who put on a happy face, or was she a happy person who became situationally depressed after their trip?

I got from the video and the article:

- Josh seemed to be saying that he hadn't considered Leanne to have been battling depression during their marriage.

- She was a people pleaser (which could be a warning sign, stuffing her own feelings so she wouldn't bother anyone with them, but not in and of itself a huge red flag) and she had a lot of energy and happiness during their trip.

- It was weeks before their return that she started showing any signs of depression or anxiety (in fact in the trip video of her walking on the beach, she's saying "I've been anxious for weeks" while she was talking about their trip coming to a close).

- It manifested itself as being uncharacteristically anxious about procedural things like insurance and registration and a bit unsocial at Christmas (but she was also said to have normally needed her "me time" so this must have gone beyond the normal alone time she preferred).

- Something unclear about her weight loss and hormones?

- When she went for a walk that day and called up the stairs to Josh, he heard something like 'peace' in her voice, but in the context of her current mood, that peaceful tone was out of place. (I get that).

- In his gut, he believed she'd committed suicide within 3 hours of her absence, but his heart hoped that she'd just run away.​

So I guess what's bewildering to me is that I'd kind of been left with the impression after they found her body that she'd been battling depression in their marriage and the trip they took was a distraction from that depression - and when they arrived home, it sadly came back to roost with a vengeance.

And now what I think Josh was saying was that Leanne MUST HAVE been depressed, obviously since she committed suicide, but that she hadn't appeared even to her husband to have been a depressed person during their marriage, and that the first sign of anything being amiss was a few weeks before returning home.

The reason that bothers me is that it sounds like there were no signs of depression that couldn't have easily been attributed to post-trip blues, money stress and exhaustion. In fact everyone around her DID pick up on those things - they didn't go unnoticed - and asked her about them, and tried to help her. And Leanne herself was open enough at least about the anxiety to talk in their travel video about how she was feeling, and she told Josh, and she told Josh's dad how she was feeling - she was telling them enough to make her appear as if she were being open about her feelings.

It bothers me because I guess I was left with the idea that Leanne had some history of depression and had been giving off red flags and people just didn't pick up on them until after it was far too late. But from what Josh said, her emotions seemed appropriate to the situation, if excessive for Leanne's personality, and she wasn't someone who suffered from depression ordinarily. Which is scary to me. You can't eagle eye all loved ones who are uncharacteristically anxious when coming to a stressful time of life.

But then - if she hadn't been depressed in the traditional sense during their marriage, how did Josh's gut tell him "suicide" when she took off, and not "runaway" or "abducted"? On some level he must have known she was seriously ill.
 
  • #929
Was she on anti-depressants in the past? Does anyone know, or did her family ever say?

I don't think that has ever been discussed; However in her obituary it was said that, 'Leanne lost her battle with depression...' I took that to mean that at some point she had been diagnosed w/depression and was perhaps medicated at one point. I'm surprised the depression diagnosis was never mentioned during the search - that could have been an important clue.

I wish Josh the best of luck with the foundation. Depression is such a misunderstood disease - I'm glad he wants to help others try to understand it.
 
  • #930
Usually to give money most people want to know where the money is being invested, for example, professional psychologists employed by women's centers, or perhaps call lines, like "suicide prevention for teens" my daughter use to volunteer for.
There are "mother's groups" too for suicide preventions.

Lots of places to give and donate to.

Just imo.
 
  • #931
https://creatavist-g49brf5.creatavist.com/untitledproject-6hsv4#chapter-90945
:banghead:

It sounds like that would be no, based on that long article and the video.

My heart and gratitude goes out to Josh for being willing to publicly sort through his feelings to help others. It's heartbreaking to imagine Leanne coming back to stand at the end of the driveway for a moment, contemplating... what? going back in? It must absolutely twist Josh's heart to imagine that moment.

What I guess I'm still not clear on - maybe because of the editing? or the questions the reporter was asking? is whether or not she suffered from depression before the end of their trip? Was she a depressed person who put on a happy face, or was she a happy person who became situationally depressed after their trip?

I got from the video and the article:

- Josh seemed to be saying that he hadn't considered Leanne to have been battling depression during their marriage.

- She was a people pleaser (which could be a warning sign, stuffing her own feelings so she wouldn't bother anyone with them, but not in and of itself a huge red flag) and she had a lot of energy and happiness during their trip.

- It was weeks before their return that she started showing any signs of depression or anxiety (in fact in the trip video of her walking on the beach, she's saying "I've been anxious for weeks" while she was talking about their trip coming to a close).

- It manifested itself as being uncharacteristically anxious about procedural things like insurance and registration and a bit unsocial at Christmas (but she was also said to have normally needed her "me time" so this must have gone beyond the normal alone time she preferred).

- Something unclear about her weight loss and hormones?

- When she went for a walk that day and called up the stairs to Josh, he heard something like 'peace' in her voice, but in the context of her current mood, that peaceful tone was out of place. (I get that).

- In his gut, he believed she'd committed suicide within 3 hours of her absence, but his heart hoped that she'd just run away.​

So I guess what's bewildering to me is that I'd kind of been left with the impression after they found her body that she'd been battling depression in their marriage and the trip they took was a distraction from that depression - and when they arrived home, it sadly came back to roost with a vengeance.

And now what I think Josh was saying was that Leanne MUST HAVE been depressed, obviously since she committed suicide, but that she hadn't appeared even to her husband to have been a depressed person during their marriage, and that the first sign of anything being amiss was a few weeks before returning home.

The reason that bothers me is that it sounds like there were no signs of depression that couldn't have easily been attributed to post-trip blues, money stress and exhaustion. In fact everyone around her DID pick up on those things - they didn't go unnoticed - and asked her about them, and tried to help her. And Leanne herself was open enough at least about the anxiety to talk in their travel video about how she was feeling, and she told Josh, and she told Josh's dad how she was feeling - she was telling them enough to make her appear as if she were being open about her feelings.

It bothers me because I guess I was left with the idea that Leanne had some history of depression and had been giving off red flags and people just didn't pick up on them until after it was far too late. But from what Josh said, her emotions seemed appropriate to the situation, if excessive for Leanne's personality, and she wasn't someone who suffered from depression ordinarily. Which is scary to me. You can't eagle eye all loved ones who are uncharacteristically anxious when coming to a stressful time of life.

But then - if she hadn't been depressed in the traditional sense during their marriage, how did Josh's gut tell him "suicide" when she took off, and not "runaway" or "abducted"? On some level he must have known she was seriously ill.

In Josh's story of Leanne, he stated she left a note on the dresser that said "I love you so much".
 
  • #932
I keep thinking of Leanne - right now I'm reading "Kisses from Katie" written by a young woman who's a missionary in Uganda. She went there on a year mission trip and was unable to return to the suburban life she grew up with outside of Knoxville, Tennessee. She writes it so poignantly - how physically uncomfortable (even torturous) her conditions are in Uganda, with dust and heat and mosquitos and not enough to eat and disease and heartbreak - but when she returns for a Christmas break to suburban US she can't bear it. The thought of returning to her creature comforts permanently and going to college is unthinkable - and she goes back to Uganda to the miserable conditions.

It's awful - and sounds so much like Leanne. She couldn't bear a life of stability and comfort.
 
  • #933
- Something unclear about her weight loss and hormones?
Respectfully snipped by me.

One thing I noticed in watching their travel videos was how thin Leanne was. It made me wonder if she might have an eating disorder. Then I read that she was a runner and even ran a marathon while on their journey.

I just wonder if she was also amenorrheic and may have had concerns about her ability to conceive. That would certainly cause a young woman a large amount of anxiety if starting a family was part of the plan upon return to America. Or perhaps low hormone levels were contributing to the depression, or vice versa.

"Common causes of secondary amenorrhea (when a woman who has had normal periods stops getting them) include:
Pregnancy
Breast feeding
Stopping the use of birth control
Menopause
Some birth control methods, such as Depo-Provera
Other causes of secondary amenorrhea include:
Stress
Poor nutrition
Depression
Certain drugs
Extreme weight loss
Over-exercising
Ongoing illness
Sudden weight gain or being very overweight (obesity)
Hormonal imbalance due to polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS)
Thyroid gland disorders
Tumors on the ovaries or brain (rare)"
BBM (source: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/guide/absence-periods)

"Amenorrhea is not sport-specific, but sports that emphasize lightness -- ballet, competitive running -- have the highest prevalence (up to 44 percent -- this is much higher than the two to five percent of the general female population)." (source: http://www.active.com/nutrition/articles/nutrition-tips-for-women-with-amenorrhea).

I realize I am just conjecturing, and I'm sure the reasons for Leanne's depression and ultimate act were complex. I don't want to imply that there is a simple answer. But I do wonder if amenorrhea may have played a role, given Josh's comment about weight loss and hormones.

Poor dear. She had so much going for her, a husband who adored her, a wide social circle, and yet for whatever reason, she could not get the help she needed.

RIP Leanne. Goddess bless you and Josh.
 
  • #934
https://creatavist-g49brf5.creatavist.com/untitledproject-6hsv4#chapter-90945

In Josh's story of Leanne, he stated she left a note on the dresser that said "I love you so much".

Right, but I still don't really understand the jump from that note to "suicide" and not "running away", you know?

I don't ask out of any suspicion, but because I've related so much to Leanne during the course of the search and subsequent discovery. I too was traveling for a year and I too was depressed when I returned home - and so few people really understood that, my family & friends more of the "you just had this great adventure, why should YOU be unhappy" sort. I'm very much looking forward to reading whatever information the Up Foundation releases.

So when I'm listening to Josh, I'm trying to figure out what Leanne was actually struggling with - the disease of clinical depression, or situational depression caused by coming home? Because for me, those are two very different routes to take to get to Leanne's sad end point. And it scares me to think it could be route #2, as I've been on that route, although obviously not to that extent.

So either she was struggling with depression as a human being, even before/during travel, and just managing to outrun it and distract herself from it while traveling, or she was not clinically depressed for the most part, and just took a nose dive upon the ending of their travels and this nosedive hit rock bottom in Texas.

From listening to Josh (and my heart breaks for him, I am in no way criticizing him for not being explicit about this) I can't tell if 'Leanne was suffering from depression' was the first or second route. Or if there were red flags aside from her agitation and anxiety.

But then there must have been for him to have thought 'suicide' and not 'Leanne's run away' as his strongest feeling upon seeing her gone and finding that note.
 
  • #935
I cry for Leanne, for Josh, for Leanne's loved ones. I was Leanne just a week ago. While I don't have her looks, her money, her adventures...I know the depression. I know the pain. I know the feeling of being in the way, and wondering if others would be better off without me. Yes, I know the feeling, Leanne. May your soul rest in peace.
 
  • #936
The backpack most likely held the clothes line that she needed to fulfill her fate. In that aspect, she is braver than I am.
 
  • #937
Does it matter where the depression arose from? Does it matter how long she's suffered in silence? Does it matter?? Does it change the end result? Unless you've been alone in a room full of people, you simply can't understand it. You can't!!
 
  • #938
Does it matter where the depression arose from? Does it matter how long she's suffered in silence? Does it matter?? Does it change the end result? Unless you've been alone in a room full of people, you simply can't understand it. You can't!!

I think people want a reason (however foolish it may be) as to why. Why would a young attractive, successful, intelligent woman, with the world in front of her, end her life? In reality, this happens. A lot. People decide to kill themselves. Sometimes it's obvious and sometimes it's not. Depression, dark thoughts, suicidal tenancies, any kind of mental illness...can and and does happen to anyone. It can happen at anytime, without provocation or reason. It rarely makes any sense to the outside.

There is rarely ever a "reason" for suicide. Quite frankly, the person thought it would be better if they weren't alive. It's that simple and that complicated.

Not that I am telling you anything you don't know. I just think it's hard for people to reason and accept her story. She just didn't want to be alive.
 
  • #939
The backpack most likely held the clothes line that she needed to fulfill her fate. In that aspect, she is braver than I am.

.....braver than you? No my friend - to me, you are here telling your story and that is braver in my opinion. I am sorry for your struggles last week and I hope you are feeling better. I can never understand the pain but admire your fight and pray you continue as I for one enjoy you being here so imagine the love from those who actually know you!
 
  • #940
I cry for Leanne, for Josh, for Leanne's loved ones. I was Leanne just a week ago. While I don't have her looks, her money, her adventures...I know the depression. I know the pain. I know the feeling of being in the way, and wondering if others would be better off without me. Yes, I know the feeling, Leanne. May your soul rest in peace.

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