TX - LEO officer & bystander dead, 4 injured in College Station shootout, 13 Aug 2012

[LinasK]

I totaly agree - we all have to write to our congressmen.

Fortunately, my Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer are very pro-gun control and are ready to take action!!!
The Colorado movie theater shooting led U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to renew her call to reinstate the federal assault weapons ban she carried after a gunman killed eight people and then himself in 1993 in San Francisco's 101 California St. skyscraper. That ban took effect in 1994 but ended in 2004. The ban would have prohibited the AR-15 assault rifle with a 100-round drum magazine allegedly used in the Colorado shooting.
U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., has urged another look at her own Common Sense Concealed Firearms Act. She introduced it in early 2011 after a gunman killed six people while trying to assassinate Rep. Gabby Giffords in Arizona, where residents can carry concealed firearms without permits. Modeled on California's concealed-carry law, it would require states to create a permitting process, including consultation with police on whether the applicant is worthy of public trust and has shown good cause to carry a concealed firearm. http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_...contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Just to point out, then I'm moving on, it's MUCH easier to get an illegal firearm than a legal one.

 

[gitana1]

well, his name is actually Thomas Caffall - I don't know why that one MSM site said Trey

anyway, here is his FB (check out his photos & you will notice one album with photos of guns, a black truck, and linseed oil):

http://www.facebook.com/thomas.caffall

Linseed oil is for cleaning his guns, it appears.

And it seems his obsession with guns is not new.
This has been going on for years.

But everything else looks pretty normal to me. Not a whole lot of posts over the last year or so.

JMO

Frankly, I don't even see him as that obsessed with guns. It looks like he only has a few. My uncle had many more than that when he died. Dozens.

There are so many people into guns in the world. It surely does not mean they are crazy or going to commit murder. One of my clients brought his antique gun collection in to my office to show me. (I'm a fan of western mythology). Beautiful, working antiques. He also has dozens. But he's as gentle as a lamb.

I am not a big gun fan or anything. I just don't see gun ownership as indicative of criminal behavior. Criminals and crazy people are going to use whatever they can get their hands on. If they are into guns, they will use them. If not, they may use something else.

Every time we hear of something like this happening, we begin talking gun control. I'm not against it. Just don't think it would work or make a difference, based on what I learned about our culture while obtaining my degree in American Studies.

Guns are part of the fabric of our lives. They play a huge part in our mythology. Violence is a huge part as well, unfortunately. The two don't mix well, but due to the fascination and passion for guns in our country, they will never be outlawed or strictly controlled.

I think our obsession with violence is an area we would have a better chance of controlling. People in the U.S. are more concerned about their kids seeing a naked woman on t.v. than about their kids seeing someone blown in half by a shotgun or whipped to death. That's a problem to me. That's THE problem to me. :twocents:

 

[Nova]

How very sad! We need an island to put these mass shooters on. Give them a few guns and let them shoot up each other instead of innocent people.

Thanks to the NRA, most of us, innocent or not, already live on that island.

 

[raeann]

he was being evicted and SH was moving ... wonder if that's connected

I believe that Texas A & M has close to 50,000 students.....probably at least half of them are in the process of moving this week....other than the proximity to the campus I don't think it would be fair to assume any kind of connection at all.


jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57492507&feed_id=999&videofeed=999


The sister of a gunman who was among three people killed in a shootout at a home near Texas A&M says her family is "just distraught by the havoc he has caused."

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Slain-constable-a-caring-kind-person-3785671.php

Brian Bachmann was a cop's cop, friends say - a popular figure in the tightly knit world of Brazos County law enforcement who was always willing to handle the routine duties that he could have easily passed on to deputies after taking over as Precinct 1 Constable last year.

Bachmann leaves behind a wife of 19 years, Donna, and two children C, 9, and C, 14, photos of whom were common additions to his Facebook page.

His children played in the local Little League, where he coached, and he gave all his team members miniature sheriff's cars at the end of the season. He also went on mission trips with his church, which he considered part of the duty of Christian service.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Neighbors of a second victim, 43-year-old Chris Northcliffe, told KVUE that the photographer, landscaper and father of two also owned several rental properties including 211 Fidelity which was the site of Monday’s shootings.

http://www.kvue.com/news/editors-pi...r-BryanCollege-Station-victims-166066126.html

So it looks like the deceased bystander was the homeowner who was there with the constable to serve the eviction notice???
Am I reading this right?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Cisneros, a former Army medic, said he started CPR immediately on Bachmann, who had been shot in the chest. When paramedics arrived to attend to the lawman, Cisneros ran over to work on the shooter.

That's when the gunman asked him to apologize to the officer on his behalf.

"I was covered in his blood," Cisneros said. "He just kept repeating things over and over and continued shallow breathing."

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-news-3785725.php#photo-3325665

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside Caffall’s rental home near the campus.


Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.
He said Callfall’s violent reaction to an eviction notice is not something he is surprised by, in fact, he said he feared Callfall could to hurt, or kill, one of his own family members in recent months.


http://www.khou.com/home/Family-of-...ooter--His-illness-led-to-this-166068236.html

 

[Leilei]

here's a quote from his FB:

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell

he lists himself as Christian, divorced ... apparently likes dogs and makes his own guns ...

That quote is just chilling... :what:

 

[Leilei]

Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside Caffall’s rental home near the campus.


Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.
He said Callfall’s violent reaction to an eviction notice is not something he is surprised by, in fact, he said he feared Callfall could to hurt, or kill, one of his own family members in recent months.


http://www.khou.com/home/Family-of-...ooter--His-illness-led-to-this-166068236.html

Okay, IMO, if you are that frightened by or are suspecting someone of possibly doing harm to your family or others, why the heck wouldn't you go to LE with your concerns?? This whole "after the fact" thinking really makes me angry :banghead: Granted, I don't know the whole story, but the fear that he mentions could have saved lives if he'd acted on it. Again, IMO, and dang, I'm angry.

 

[not_my_kids]

Okay, IMO, if you are that frightened by or are suspecting someone of possibly doing harm to your family or others, why the heck wouldn't you go to LE with your concerns?? This whole "after the fact" thinking really makes me angry :banghead: Granted, I don't know the whole story, but the fear that he mentions could have saved lives if he'd acted on it. Again, IMO, and dang, I'm angry.

Actually, I know the answerto this one. Not necessarily in TX, but I have hit brick walls again and again with my mother. There were times that she would threaten to kill our entire family. We would call the police, they would call an ambulance, they would take her for an emergency mental health screening, and she would smile sweetly and say she never said anything of the sort and doesn't want to hurt anybody. They would have to let her go. In later years, she just tells the ambulance that she isn't going to hurt anyone and doesn't want to be assisted and they have to leave. Unless someone in a psotion of authority hears an out and out threat, there's nothing they can really do. It is impossibly hard to get someone committed or even evaluated if they don't want to be.

 

[songline]

Fortunately, my Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer are very pro-gun control and are ready to take action!!!
The Colorado movie theater shooting led U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to renew her call to reinstate the federal assault weapons ban she carried after a gunman killed eight people and then himself in 1993 in San Francisco's 101 California St. skyscraper. That ban took effect in 1994 but ended in 2004. The ban would have prohibited the AR-15 assault rifle with a 100-round drum magazine allegedly used in the Colorado shooting.
U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., has urged another look at her own Common Sense Concealed Firearms Act. She introduced it in early 2011 after a gunman killed six people while trying to assassinate Rep. Gabby Giffords in Arizona, where residents can carry concealed firearms without permits. Modeled on California's concealed-carry law, it would require states to create a permitting process, including consultation with police on whether the applicant is worthy of public trust and has shown good cause to carry a concealed firearm. http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_...contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com

Sadly after the Florida case with stand your ground - many came out of the woodwork to protect guns.
but we must correct how and who gets them, and we cannot be intimidated by any group at all.
If we lay down and play dead they will walk all over us.

I say write to your congressman. I sure will this week.

 

[songline]

Linseed oil is for cleaning his guns, it appears.



Frankly, I don't even see him as that obsessed with guns. It looks like he only has a few. My uncle had many more than that when he died. Dozens.

There are so many people into guns in the world. It surely does not mean they are crazy or going to commit murder. One of my clients brought his antique gun collection in to my office to show me. (I'm a fan of western mythology). Beautiful, working antiques. He also has dozens. But he's as gentle as a lamb.

I am not a big gun fan or anything. I just don't see gun ownership as indicative of criminal behavior. Criminals and crazy people are going to use whatever they can get their hands on. If they are into guns, they will use them. If not, they may use something else.

Every time we hear of something like this happening, we begin talking gun control. I'm not against it. Just don't think it would work or make a difference, based on what I learned about our culture while obtaining my degree in American Studies.

Guns are part of the fabric of our lives. They play a huge part in our mythology. Violence is a huge part as well, unfortunately. The two don't mix well, but due to the fascination and passion for guns in our country, they will never be outlawed or strictly controlled.

I think our obsession with violence is an area we would have a better chance of controlling. People in the U.S. are more concerned about their kids seeing a naked woman on t.v. than about their kids seeing someone blown in half by a shotgun or whipped to death. That's a problem to me. That's THE problem to me. :twocents:

I love when I read that LE walked into a house / apartment and hauled out all kinds of ammunition

I would love them to put guns in fewer hands and I think only certain kinds if guns, and better screening.

Many countries live that way and it works just fine. Where is it written that guns are the fabric of our lives? We need many things - we should have what we need....Guns are not a need they are a Want....guns are not toys.
Again One will do in the right hands.
:moo:

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Sadly after the Florida case with stand your ground - many came out of the woodwork to protect guns.
but we must correct how and who gets them, and we cannot be intimidated by any group at all.
If we lay down and play dead they will walk all over us.

I say write to your congressman. I sure will this week.

I just e-mailed the two senators from my state. It was incredibly quick and easy.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I love when I read that LE walked into a house / apartment and hauled out all kinds of ammunition

I would love them to put guns in fewer hands and I think only certain kinds if guns, and better screening.

Many countries live that way and it works just fine. Where is it written that guns are the fabric of our lives? We need many things - we should have what we need....Guns are not a need they are a Want....guns are not toys.
Again One will do in the right hands.
:moo:

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens that wish to protect themselves against criminals that have arsenals are NEEDED.

The problem is much more people are killed daily in this country by illegal guns.

Ask England what happens when you take legal guns from citizens. They thought it was a great idea. So did the criminals. It gave them an even bigger advantage while carrying out their crimes because they knew the victim was not armed.

Guns don't kill people.
Spoons do not make people fat.


It's our ACTIONS.

This guy was in a house day in and day out playing violent video games.
He was a nut.

JMO

 

[songline]

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens that wish to protect themselves against criminals that have arsenals are NEEDED.

The problem is much more people are killed daily in this country by illegal guns.

Ask England what happens when you take legal guns from citizens. They thought it was a great idea. So did the criminals. It gave them an even bigger advantage while carrying out their crimes because they knew the victim was not armed.

Guns don't kill people.
Spoons do not make people fat.


It's our ACTIONS.

This guy was in a house day in and day out playing violent video games.
He was a nut.

JMO

I think the problem is that it is way too easy to get a gun and the screening is not done well.
also they type of gun should be monitored. Some kinds should not be legal.
Also the quantity... nobody needs a collection IMSO (strong opinion)
These are not stamps or comic books..These things kill. Less of them is better.
Just look at what has been going on in the past month alone. :what:

 

[songline]

I just e-mailed the two senators from my state. It was incredibly quick and easy.

GREAT... more people should be like you

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My point Song, is yes, people were killed yesterday with a legally purchased gun.
I wonder how many people were killed yesterday by illegal guns?
I would be willing to bet it was a lot more.

It's a fact (sad fact) that if you take guns out of the hands of legal gun owners, they become prey of criminals who have them.

My family/home is protected by a man with a legal gun. If someone tries to do harm to my family, my husband will shoot to kill.

I understand what you are saying about safety checks and types of guns. But I strongly believe our focus should be on ridding our country of illegal guns.

Baton Rouge has a program called gas for guns where you can trade in guns for gas vouchers. It has been somewhat successful and last year took about 300 illegal guns off the STREETS of Baton Rouge.

http://www.wafb.com/story/15935461/gas-for-guns-campaign-returns-to-baton-rouge

As far as legal guns, there are checks and waiting periods. As legal citizens we have a right to own firearms.
You can't stop nuts like yesterday's gunman from killing innocent people if they are under the radar and have no criminal records. He could have very easily gotten an illegal gun and done the same thing.

JMO