TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[Irish_Eyes]

Here's a puzzle for you. Did her death lead to the discovery of her false identity, or did the threat of discovery of her false identity lead to her death?

 

[deca]

Here's a puzzle for you. Did her death lead to the discovery of her false identity, or did the threat of discovery of her false identity lead to her death?

Well said!
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60% death lead to discovery
40% false id lead to death

difference for me is that if she knew she was on the verge of being outed- I think there would be an okay chance that she would write a note to her DH, daughter, or even a friend explaining why she deceived them. Also, if she was discovered...there would be some jail time I guess, but how much? Enough that you would end your life? Anyways, I am leaning towards something else in her life (depression, divorce, whatever) lead her to kill herself.

 

[deca]

I was thinking that too, because if the person that she stole the number from is/was alive, then two people with the same number would be filling. I'm just guessing that that might be a red flag to the IRS. I'm wondering is it possible that the business was under the table and she never payed taxes on it?

It would be a red flag- but I wonder how fast those things were caught years ago. Obviously today they catch that stuff fast.

Maybe the other person (if she exists) didn't file. I know people that don't file. :maddening: But I guess this other person would also not be able to get:

(things ssn are used in conjunction with)
health insurance
driver's licenses
loans
bank stuff
college

 

[Sulamith]

The only reason that I don't think that this is the case here is because she has NO family listed in her obit. It was all his family. I think she had hidden her past from everyone. I feel that she was intentionally trying to hide her real identity. JMHO

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I hate to talk about me again, but I will anyway. I do think it is strange that LR's obit did not mention any of her kin. But, there appears to be alot of strange families out there. When my father died, my mother did not tell me, or tell my father's brother, or anybody on my father's side of the family. My mother wrote the obit and only mentioned her, my bro and sis as my father's survivors. She left out all of my father's family and had a funeral without telling any of us. So, that is why I do not take much stock in what an obit says.

 

[PHB]

What if the business was in her husband's name? Maybe she told him she has bad credit, or owes someone money from a lawsuit or something, so to protect the business everything should be in his name?

 

[theforgotten]

I hate to talk about me again, but I will anyway. I do think it is strange that LR's obit did not mention any of her kin. But, there appears to be alot of strange families out there. When my father died, my mother did not tell me, or tell my father's brother, or anybody on my father's side of the family. My mother wrote the obit and only mentioned her, my bro and sis as my father's survivors. She left out all of my father's family and had a funeral without telling any of us. So, that is why I do not take much stock in what an obit says.

I get what your saying, but they released her photo. To me that says a lot. If they had any doubts, I doubt they would be wasting their time on it. You have to admit that this woman is shady.

 

[PHB]

I get what your saying, but they released her photo. To me that says a lot. If they had any doubts, I doubt they would be wasting their time on it. You have to admit that this woman is shady.

BBM.
She may not have been. So far all she's done is lie to the gov't (and maybe her husband). Maybe she had a legit reason for starting a new life. I'm still sticking to she was hiding from an abusive ex. What if her ex had significant resources to chase her? Like if he was LE, or organized crime, or something.
Also, surely her husband filed taxes, so the IRS would have had her SSN, right? So why wasn't she caught years ago?

 

[Lanie]

Here's something that bugs me. Why was the marriage in Denton County? Husband appears to be born and bred in Longview, along with his family. LEKR was allegedly in Scottsdale, in TX by 1988 for SS, went to University of Arlington, and had a business in Leonard. Leonard is a very small town, but Longview, while not as large as Denton, is still pretty big. Denton is about 60 miles from Leonard, Mckinney is much closer, and it's 165 miles from Longview. Dallas and surrounding cities are closer to LV than Denton. Is there anything other than the marriage that shows ties to Denton?

 

[theforgotten]

BBM.
She may not have been. So far all she's done is lie to the gov't (and maybe her husband). Maybe she had a legit reason for starting a new life. I'm still sticking to she was hiding from an abusive ex. What if her ex had significant resources to chase her? Like if he was LE, or organized crime, or something.
Also, surely her husband filed taxes, so the IRS would have had her SSN, right? So why wasn't she caught years ago?

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I find stealing someone's identity to be shady, no matter what the reason someone did it. Someone very close to me had their's stolen and I've seen the pain it can cause. So I'm a little biased.

I also wonder why it wasn't caught earlier. It is strange. Could it be that she didn't file or they didn't file as couple?

 

[mamashawn]

Is there anything other than the marriage that shows ties to Denton?

Did she live in Denton for a while? Maybe that was all there was. Perhaps there was a church they liked the looks of. We've had lots of marriages at our church by non members, just because it's picturesque.

Would it be possible that she hadn't been using a SSN until her daughter was born?

That is a VERY good point. Her daughter would not be able to get a birth certificate or her own SSN without revealing the parents SSN's. Her unwillingness to submit her false SSN would have perplexed, frustrated and possibly angered her husband.

My children have medical coverage through the state, and a SSN and birth cert. are required. I thought I had already turned this in for my son, but I was contacted last week and told they did not have these on file. He'll be turning 3, so he slipped under their radar for a few years. Maybe something similar happened in her case.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Did she live in Denton for a while? Maybe that was all there was. Perhaps there was a church they liked the looks of. We've had lots of marriages at our church by non members, just because it's picturesque.

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The University of North Texas is in Denton. I can't find how we know for sure she went to college, but perhaps if she did, that is where she went.

 

[Lanie]

(snipped by me)

The University of North Texas is in Denton. I can't find how we know for sure she went to college, but perhaps if she did, that is where she went.

It's possible she went to UNT, but the LEKR we are looking at graduated from University of Arlington in 1998.

Denton County just seems out of the way to me from Longview and Leonard. It's about 165 miles from Longview, and even though it's just 60 miles from Leonard, it's not down an interstate, and it's not all that scenic, either. It's just a road going through a bunch of towns with a bunch of lights to stop at.

Also, to Mamashawn, we don't know the ceremony was in Denton county, just the marriage license or certificate. The date was Jan. 2004. Denton just seems so random to me with the other places we can put them both at, kwim?

 

[annemc2]

Haha - was just coming to post what Lanie essentially said and she beat me to it!

I agree that LEKR was all over the DFW area but Denton is kind of a wild card. I spent most of my life in DFW and the only time I ever went to Denton was to visit friends who were in college at UNT. And even then it was kind of...out there. No reason to just be passing through.

I also wonder about the churches and what business took her and her husband to Leonard. It seems they'd gravitate towards family closer to the Longview area.

 

[T4Tide]

I read over her husband's Facebook. I noticed he knows lots of people from north Mississippi and West TN. I noticed that several of them were graduates of an unfamiliar to me boarding type school in TN. I wondered if he or she or both had maybe attended there? I couldn't find any evidence of that, but no contradictions, either.

 

[T4Tide]

The McCallie School. I notice it is for boys. Wonder if there is a sister school?

 

[mayqueen]

I read over her husband's Facebook. I noticed he knows lots of people from north Mississippi and West TN. I noticed that several of them were graduates of an unfamiliar to me boarding type school in TN. I wondered if he or she or both had maybe attended there? I couldn't find any evidence of that, but no contradictions, either.

Her husband's FB says he went there (McCallie School).

 

[T4Tide]

Their website says they coordinate with GPS (Girls' Preparatory School) which is also located in Chattanooga in east TN. I realize they were much older when they married, but maybe knew each other from the past?

 

[mayqueen]

The McCallie School. I notice it is for boys. Wonder if there is a sister school?

Girls Preparatory School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: we were posting at the same time.

 

[T4Tide]

Her husband's FB says he went there (McCallie School).

lol... On my phone right now and couldn't remember specifics.

 

[deca]

Hope you all find this to be relevant.

I have been reading various articles (MSM but I didn't save the links, sorry) today on SSN fraud. Apparently, these various sources claim that there are MILLIONS of cases of duplicate SSNs being used at the same time. Last year there were cases where a SSN was used by 15 different people. The gov knows this is a big deal, but are dealing with such a huge amount of info and such a huge amount of cases---they do what they can, but it sounds like many cases fall through the cracks.

Coincidentally, on the CBS (IIRC) Evening News, they spoke about SSN identity theft tonight. The interviewee was stating that the IRS and SSA only are able to check a fraction of the duplicate cases because they are so backlogged.

So, it sounds to me that it is really possible to get away with using someone else's SSN for quite awhile and even when both people file taxes. I have to say that I am surprised.

Also, another thing I discovered: there are a lot of cases of people living under an assumed identity. In recent history, too. I thought this case was pretty rare- but I guess it happens pretty often...This forum makes me feel very naive sometimes.