TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[deca]

When I read up on it- it seems as though all you needed was your birthdate- your county of birth- parents names- copy of DL. So what you would do is get that information and get a fake DL made. Show them a copy of the DL and get the copy of the birth certificate.

I had to get a copy of mine and that is all I did circa 2002. Real id, though.

ETA: and I did all of this by mail from across the country.

 

[mnm55]

For what it is worth, I just picked up an official copy of my grandson's birth certificate in Aug. 2012. He needed the birth certificate to start school. My son was working out of town and the mom had no current I.D. (long story there). The person at the court house stated I needed to be a parent of the child to obtain the birth certificate. I stated I was the parent of a parent of the child thus I was further up the totem pole. I left the court house with the birth certificate. All I needed to show is my DL and pay the fee for the copy.

Also, I have a different last name than the child and truly had no way to prove I was actually related to him.

 

[Magnum P.E.]

For what it is worth, I just picked up an official copy of my grandson's birth certificate in Aug. 2012. He needed the birth certificate to start school. My son was working out of town and the mom had no current I.D. (long story there). The person at the court house stated I needed to be a parent of the child to obtain the birth certificate. I stated I was the parent of a parent of the child thus I was further up the totem pole. I left the court house with the birth certificate. All I needed to show is my DL and pay the fee for the copy.

Also, I have a different last name than the child and truly had no way to prove I was actually related to him.

Hey mnm, remind me to have you get the documents for me if I need a fake identity, since you can get them that easily!

 

[neesaki]

Too complex to explain again, read the thread and you will understand how we believe she fraudulently obtained a real SSN with birth documents that were not hers.

I get all that. If you'll look back a few posts, this was in reference to how she was able to obtain someone else's birth certificate in the first place, which was necessary for her to get her real SSN.

Well, I actually have read the thread through, then parts of it over again, maybe another time or two from beginning to end wouldn't hurt, lol. :wink:

 

[Magnum P.E.]

I get all that. If you'll look back a few posts, this was in reference to how she was able to obtain someone else's birth certificate in the first place, which was necessary for her to get her real SSN.

Well, I actually have read the thread through, then parts of it over again, maybe another time or two from beginning to end wouldn't hurt, lol. :wink:

Likely that at that time you just needed a drivers license (forged ones were easily available) or a notarized letter saying that you were who you said you were, you sent away a form and a check to the correct state office, and a copy of your birth certificate came in the mail a few weeks later.

Once FLEK had a BC, SSN, and drivers license she essentially WAS that person. If fact if the real person belonging to that BC were to appear she would have a hard time proving her existence!

 

[mfleeting]

I've been reading this thread for awhile but have never posted. I have a question are we sure she was the one who stole this identity herself? Is there anyway her actual parents were running away from something/someone and stole this identity for her when she was younger or could she have possibly been kidnapped as a child and the kidnappers stole it? I know she didn't receive a social security card until she was older than most but maybe at that time her family/kidnappers died or got to old and she found the birth certificate with their belongings and got a SSN so she could work or go to school. So is it possible she never knew her identity was in reality a fake?

 

[CherBearSTL]

I've been reading this thread for awhile but have never posted. I have a question are we sure she was the one who stole this identity herself? Is there anyway her actual parents were running away from something/someone and stole this identity for her when she was younger or could she have possibly been kidnapped as a child and the kidnappers stole it? I know she didn't receive a social security card until she was older than most but maybe at that time her family/kidnappers died or got to old and she found the birth certificate with their belongings and got a SSN so she could work or go to school. So is it possible she never knew her identity was in reality a fake?

I suppose this could be possible, but knowing that she used other SS numbers leads me to believe she knew what she was doing.

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[Magnum P.E.]

Bumping for this very interesting case. Has anyone heard anything, especially those on the ground in Longview?

 

[dogperson]

I obtained certified BCs for me and my husband a few years back. This is in the state of TN. I had to call the Health Dept and request an appointment, then all I had to do was go in and provide our parents names, date of birth, city of birth, and show my DL. I think the fee was $6 per copy. Husband wasn't even with me and they didn't ask for any permission from him. This was probably in 2002 because we needed them to go on a cruise as we didn't have passports. Now I think you must have a passport but at that time we did not.

 

[Sporky]

Birth certificates still work on cruises. Also I requested my birth certificate through a website and I live in TX.

This is the info from https://txapps.texas.gov/tolapp/ovra/index.htm

The full name of the individual on the birth certificate (middle names are requested, but not required)
The date of that individual's birth
The city or county where the birth took place
The full name of the father if one is listed on the birth certificate
The full maiden name of the mother if one is listed on the birth certificate
If you are ordering a protected birth certificate (one with a date of birth within the past 75 years) you will also need the following items:

Your current state-issued driver's license or state-issued identification card (you will need to be able to reference the actual card)
Your Social Security number
Your date of birth
Your address

Not sure what the requirements would be for when she got the fake one but I would think it would have been easier than this and the website process was pretty easy for me.

 

[dizzigirl1]

I have just spent hours reading this thread. Has there been a response from the owner of the ancestry tree?? What an interesting read. What makes someone relative young with a future ahead of them become someone else? She didn't look like she had criminal tendencies nor have that haunted look of someone who has suffered so much. IMO that is

 

[Magnum P.E.]

I have just spent hours reading this thread. Has there been a response from the owner of the ancestry tree?? What an interesting read. What makes someone relative young with a future ahead of them become someone else? She didn't look like she had criminal tendencies nor have that haunted look of someone who has suffered so much. IMO that is

Well, if you find out let the rest of us know. You don't manufacture an entirely new person unless there is something wrong with the old one. Exactly what that was is entirely speculation. Some of the reasons people have done this are
1) to escape an abusive situation of some kind, 2) escape an embarrassing past, 3) elevate a socially modest background, 4) run away from debt, 5) gain legal residency or citizenship, probably some others that I can't think of. Pick one.

I am gonna bet that the feds know who she was by now but have not said and won't say anything. There are no criminal charges to be filed and her remaining family has to be considered in this situation. Wonder if there is any interesting scuttlebutt around Longview on this subject? So far as I know, no one could even verify her claimed degree.

Interesting case, isn't it?

 

[LucyOso]

Well, if you find out let the rest of us know. You don't manufacture an entirely new person unless there is something wrong with the old one. Exactly what that was is entirely speculation. Some of the reasons people have done this are
1) to escape an abusive situation of some kind, 2) escape an embarrassing past, 3) elevate a socially modest background, 4) run away from debt, 5) gain legal residency or citizenship, probably some others that I can't think of. Pick one.

I am gonna bet that the feds know who she was by now but have not said and won't say anything. There are no criminal charges to be filed and her remaining family has to be considered in this situation. Wonder if there is any interesting scuttlebutt around Longview on this subject? So far as I know, no one could even verify her claimed degree.

Interesting case, isn't it?

Witness protection program?

 

[deca]

If she was in witness protection, she would have a new real SSN. There would have been no issue with the SSA when she passed. The feds don't want any drama to draw attention to the program.

 

[dizzigirl1]

One day we may find out. Feel a bit like an old character on an aussie soap called "Mrs Mangels at the moment though (she was the neighbourhood busybody) lol. In my mind, i am wondering if her suicide was related to her past or that she simply couldn't cope with the idea of her marriage breaking down. Despite it being an alleged stolen identity i feel sorry for her :-(

 

[deca]

One day we may find out. Feel a bit like an old character on an aussie soap called "Mrs Mangels at the moment though (she was the neighbourhood busybody) lol. In my mind, i am wondering if her suicide was related to her past or that she simply couldn't cope with the idea of her marriage breaking down. Despite it being an alleged stolen identity i feel sorry for her :-(

Especially since it seemed as though the last decade or so of her life she was a productive and law abiding citizen (as far as we know).

 

[MadeaBecBec]

When you click on the document link here; https://identifyus.org/en/medias/download/17149 and then after opening and viewing go to "file" and click on that, at the bottom where there is a list of attached documents to this PDF file, it says " death_certificate_issued_3-18-1967[1]" and other files, but that one date struck me as a clue to the date of death for the real LEK. Searching ancestry.com for LEK's first name and that date of death or March 1967, there is someone (actually several someones) but not with "K" as a last name!
Searching for missing persons with a date of birth in 1969, here are the females I came up with; http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html < went missing 1988 and could've been forced into or something degrading, wouldn't want that coming up or scared the kidnappers would find her. And the other similar looking MP is http://www.nampn.org/cases/berens_lori.html in which another sleuther has already mentioned on this thread!
So, LEK must've obtained the SS# with a birth certificate and then added a few years to the actual birthdate of the real "L" that is probably closer to LEK's real year of birth!
Whew! Time consuming and mind blowing, for sure!
ETA: When a person dies and is sent to the funeral home, the first thing the coordinator does is issues a death certificate based on the SS# so that creditors, etc. can be given a copy, actually one must be issued before burial, so that's when it was probably discovered about the assumed identity!

 

[mmmmallorym]

Neither of those missing persons seem to be tall enough and it doesn't mention a lazy eye.

 

[Jenni979]

Just read this entire thread... Did we ever hear any news from Mawt?

 

[webrocket]

Madea, interesting find but I can't see any reference to a file entitled "death_certificate_issued_3-18-1967[1]". I trust that you have seen reference to this document.

I am trying to sort through why this imposter would go through the trouble of getting a birth certificate for a child who died on March 18, 1967 (born an as of yet unspecified time period before that) yet use it to apply for a social security card claiming to have been born 27 months later in July 1969. that makes no sense unless she skillfully altered the document enough so that she would become a new LEK instead of a duplicate LEK. I can see how one could change a 7 to a 9 in the year, but changing "March" to "July" or "3" to "7" is a bit of a stretch.

ETA - see how screwed up we can get with dates? I was adding 27 months to the date of death to come up with the July 18, 1969 date of birth. I would think that if one is going to change a single digit to invent a new date of birth of 7/18/69, it would be to change a real year of birth of 1964 to 1969 by encircling the 4 to make it appear to be a 9.

When you click on the document link here; https://identifyus.org/en/medias/download/17149 and then after opening and viewing go to "file" and click on that, at the bottom where there is a list of attached documents to this PDF file, it says " death_certificate_issued_3-18-1967[1]" and other files, but that one date struck me as a clue to the date of death for the real LEK. Searching ancestry.com for LEK's first name and that date of death or March 1967, there is someone (actually several someones) but not with "K" as a last name!
Searching for missing persons with a date of birth in 1969, here are the females I came up with; http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html < went missing 1988 and could've been forced into or something degrading, wouldn't want that coming up or scared the kidnappers would find her. And the other similar looking MP is http://www.nampn.org/cases/berens_lori.html in which another sleuther has already mentioned on this thread!
So, LEK must've obtained the SS# with a birth certificate and then added a few years to the actual birthdate of the real "L" that is probably closer to LEK's real year of birth!
Whew! Time consuming and mind blowing, for sure!
ETA: When a person dies and is sent to the funeral home, the first thing the coordinator does is issues a death certificate based on the SS# so that creditors, etc. can be given a copy, actually one must be issued before burial, so that's when it was probably discovered about the assumed identity!