TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[Crackerjack]

One more note - the Cabella address is astonishingly close to the Boise behavioral health ctr

 

[AstroKitty]

i worked in a lab (cath) that handled many marfan patients or those suspected of having it. Bulimia would have been terrible on her heart without a marfan diagnosis but add in possibly having that and the genetic marker for heart disease as noted - her health would have been rather frail at her age. Maybe not in a sense anyone would have noticed anything 'off' but she would have. Feeling fatigued, body aches (if she was in fact marfan) etc etc. I would have to see her wing span and wrists to speculate further. Or if her chest was concave at all.

now, i sorta hold off on any validity of her stories because it's really hard telling if it's true. ED leaves markers. By vomiting constantly your teeth show acidic wear and tear, your throat is thicker and you get sorta chipmunk cheeks. but I will say that ED and adult entertainers go hand in hand. It's a hard job to be competitive under lights and being half naked with 18 year olds .

I know a bit about parts modeling, hand modeling (I never ever did it but my agent handles those that do, so I hear a lot about it) and definitely consider myself an expert in the sex trade (stripping, professional BDSM, Legal and illegal prostitution and adult modeling). I speak from years of experience both street to legal to clubs and photos. Ive been homeless and I've ran off to hide in the middle of nowhere. So I get it and my insights are good for something but I am also much younger than LEK. I didnt start my voyage in life on my own till the 90's - and trust me, there's a million differences in the way things were even ran 5 years ago. laws change so much in the seedier side of life.

I'm trying to make sense of her occupations before marriage and it would fit very well with someone living on the fringe of society with stolen identities. I just speculate on her personal reports of her life. If she didn't like discussing her past, why was she comfortable in disclosing the things she did? Was it to talk about that instead of family or whatever else?

Is there a reason why people assume her to be older than she stated?

 

[AngelaE8654]

Is there a reason why people assume her to be older than she stated?

When she was attempting to conceive she had tremendous difficulty and finally had to have in vitro fertilization, according to this article. Remember she was only supposed to be 35. My grandma had my youngest uncle at age 42 way back in 1965.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/authorities-struggle-id-mystery-woman-article-1.1383957


If you look closely at the "cookbook" photo as well as the photo on her last license, she appears to be at least 50. Her face and neck have "filled out" from earlier pictures and she doesn't have as youthful appearance as most women in their late 30s would have. Remember she was only supposed to be 41 years old when she died. Perhaps her "aging appearance" had something to do with her suicide? Just a guess...

 

[ClaireNC]

AstroKitty, It sounds like an autopsy was not done. The Seattle Times article says that she had breast implants, but they were not able to get serial numbers from them because she was cremated.

 

[ClaireNC]

I am compiling a list of possible matches that have been discussed here and the status of each. Thanks to all who have contributed. Please let me know if you have additions and comments to add to this list.

Using the NamUs format of first name, last name, birth year and state last known alive.

Starting with those already ruled-out on Namus:
Clara Giusti 1962 Washington
Michelle Giusti 1961 Washington
Parley Pate 1959 North Carolina
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9863

Those most recently mentioned:
Submitted:
Sheri Lynn Johnson 1970 Missouri http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/johnson_sheri.html


To be Submitted:
Jennifer Wictor 1967 Arizona https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4925/29 http://doenetwork.org/cases/2994dfaz.html
Kim Mallon 1960 California https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4628 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mallon_kim.html
Cynthia Lorraine Perry 1968 North Carolina http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/perry_cynthia.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/8281


Other possible matches mentioned here:
Melissa Sue Highsmith 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/highsmith_melissa.html
Cheryl Schille Wyant 1964 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfwa.html
Stacey Lee Lynch 1961 Calfornia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lynch_stacey.html and http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1080dfca.html Comments: height fits
Lori Lee Berens 1964 Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada http://doenetwork.org/cases/349dfmb.html and http://www.nampn.org/cases/berens_lori.html
Susan Renee Smally 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smalley_susan.html
Judy Ann Gary 1966 Louisiana http://doenetwork.org/cases/1537dfla.html and http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=170
Julie A Guthrie 1971 New York http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/guthrie_julie.html
Mary L Day 1968 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/day_mary.html
Debra Jean Cole 1969 Indiana http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cole_debra.html seems to be listed as deceased http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=13698527
Suzanne M Schultz 1961 Wisconsin http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/schultz_suzanne.html
Martha Leanne Green 1970 Tennessee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/green_martha.html http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Robin Marlow 1954 Florida http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marlow_robin.html and https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11352/0/
Kelly Bergh Dove 1961 Virginia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dove_kelly.html (reported height is way off)
Donna Mae Jokumsen Arizona http://www.missingin.org/reg1345/donna_mae_jokumsen.htm (Had shoulder tattoo that might rule her out.)
Judith Ann Ellwell 1962 Oklahoma http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/elwell_judith.html
Alice Pereira 1967 New York http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html (last seen with a known child murderer who is currently serving time. Staten Island boogeyman.)


Discussed and ruled out:
The story of the potential abduction http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/66uffl.html
Status: Timeline is off. LEK had already established a new identity in 1988, so why would she have been in danger in 1989? LEK was establishing her life in Texas by that time. Remarkable likeness, but not her.

Anne Fahey https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8229 Status: last seen in 1996. Timeline does not fit with FLEK

Gayla Barnes 1956 Colorado https://www.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=2201 and https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7170/4/ Status: Timeline is off, Gayla was last seen in 1990 when FLEK was already established in Texas.

Lisa Dickinson 1967 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html (Foul play is suspected) Wrong eye color, hair color (blue/blonde) listed as blonde hair, but she was 9 years old when she went missing, often hair darkens as people age. The bridge of the nose is wider (however, her age and also the possible nose job would fix that), the distance between her eyes is wider. She also has the nasolabial folds that Lori Ruff does NOT have. Lori Ruff was pretty wide in the mouth/nose area, leading to nothing in the way of nasolabial folds that some people have. She actually has a unique shape to her face and mouth in some ways.

 

[AstroKitty]

Holy crap on that last link! Thank you so so much!

Yes, I'd put her in the early 50's range for sure. Not because of the weight gain but .. it just "seems" that way.

Does anyone want to take the time to post all the photos here? I can try and do it from the links I've found on here

 

[AngelaE8654]

Holy crap on that last link! Thank you so so much!

Yes, I'd put her in the early 50's range for sure. Not because of the weight gain but .. it just "seems" that way.

Does anyone want to take the time to post all the photos here? I can try and do it from the links I've found on here

I am going to try but I may have to put the pics on Photobucket or something. Let's see if this works.


Shoot. That didn't work. I'll keep trying.

 

[ClaireNC]

Holy crap on that last link! Thank you so so much!

Yes, I'd put her in the early 50's range for sure. Not because of the weight gain but .. it just "seems" that way.

Does anyone want to take the time to post all the photos here? I can try and do it from the links I've found on here

Most of the pictures are in the Seattle Times article. The other media outlets are just copying from the original story.

Main story: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021243552_janedoexml.html

Evidence: http://seattletimes.com/html/localpages/2021243300_janedoeevidence.html

Timeline: http://seattletimes.com/html/localpages/2021235163_timelinejanedoe.html

 

[AngelaE8654]

Awesome job, Astrokitty. Thank you. I am going to repost the pic of her and her husband just because I think it's comical how they are both smiling exactly the same way.

 

[AstroKitty]

No problem! Also note she never had braces.

 

[Mel 1303]

All this new information leads me to speculate that LEK did not do this on her own. She must have used some kind of identity broker. This is too complex, too measured. If she used a broker, then none of the names/identities/fake references would have had any connection to the LEK- they would have been supplied by the broker. If so, then I imagine the names Lori Erica would have had no connection to her old life. Her "new" date of birth coincides with the death of a Kennedy- maybe a broker with a weird sense of humour? I think if there is any clue in LEK's new life, it maybe in the name of her child. I wonder what her little girls name is? Or what name they would have given her if the baby had been a boy? Pregnancy may well have made her sentimental, remember the past. If any of my speculation is correct, she must have had money. So many possibilities. I am wondering whether she was involved in some sort of criminal conspiracy, and had the backing of a group to reinvent after some crime was committed? If to be found out would mean her going to prison, that would be pretty good insentive to stay hidden.

 

[AngelaE8654]

very true or her life prior to being a stripper But if she would have had an abortion it could have mentally upset her enough to also go towards religion to seek forgiveness. another case in point is Bulimia screws with abilities to not only get pregnant but often stay that way. Same with ana. Your body goes through too much stress and your cycles go haywire.

Then to go back to a possible diagnosis of Marfan which again - sometimes leads to fertility issues. If she DOES or did have that, there is genetic testing which is what actually diagnosis it.

Wouldn't the fertility doctors have been able to tell if this were the case? Maybe they DID know though and she didn't allow them to say anything to anyone. I think HIPPA was in effect while she was trying to conceive.

 

[future criminologist]

Hi, I am new to this thread after reading the Seattle Times story. I apologize if she has already been ruled out on here - I did a search first and didn't find her listed.

What about Alice Pereira?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html

Could explain why she liked Cuban food so much.

 

[AstroKitty]

Wouldn't the fertility doctors have been able to tell if this were the case? Maybe they DID know though and she didn't allow them to say anything to anyone. I think HIPPA was in effect while she was trying to conceive.

HIPAA has been in effect for a long long time:
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/

I strongly suggest everyone in the US to know their rights under HIPAA. I have a book suggestion if anyone wants to know, it was part of my course (obv) to receive my BSN.

A Dr would have noticed this, but she would have been told to see her GP and get an MRI, echocardiogram and the genetic testing to see if she did in fact have the gene (it's hereditary generally). If she didn't follow up with her GP and her GP / OB GYN weren't in communication about this suggestion - nothing would have to be done.

 

[AngelaE8654]

Hi, I am new to this thread after reading the Seattle Times story. I apologize if she has already been ruled out on here - I did a search first and didn't find her listed.

What about Alice Pereira?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html

Could explain why she liked Cuban food so much.

I hadn't seen this case before but that child certainly has the right coloring and such. Thank you, future criminologist.

 

[AstroKitty]

Hi, I am new to this thread after reading the Seattle Times story. I apologize if she has already been ruled out on here - I did a search first and didn't find her listed.

What about Alice Pereira?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html

Could explain why she liked Cuban food so much.

Hello!! Andre rand that's listed on here was convicted of being a murderer. i highly suggest the documentaries on him. He was the boogeyman when I was growing up. He was recently spoken about in Cropsey

 

[ClaireNC]

Hi, I am new to this thread after reading the Seattle Times story. I apologize if she has already been ruled out on here - I did a search first and didn't find her listed.

What about Alice Pereira?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html

Could explain why she liked Cuban food so much.

Thanks future criminologist! Welcome to the thread! I added Alice to the list of potential matches. Last published here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

 

[AstroKitty]

I hate to say it but I don't think Alice is alive. If you read her doe network - she was last seen with a known child murder who's serving time currently. he was pretty much the staten Island boogeyman.

 

[future criminologist]

Or Lisa Dickinson? I know her case says "foul play suspected" but I do think she could be a child version of Lori. Here's a comparison:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html

Thoughts?

 

[AstroKitty]

The bridge of the nose is wider (however, her age and also the possible nose job would fix that), the distance between her eyes is wider.

Wrong eye color, hair color (blue/blonde)