TX - Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), 41-50, Suicide - Assumed Identity, Dec'10

[AstroKitty]

You can smooth your face for no folds with fillers like juvaderm or scary stuff like collagen or silicone. You can get these at "tupperware" parties if you want to go the back alley way. a lot of people do and housewives are notorious for having parties at their house. I don't see her doing this in her later years but maybe she did it when she was younger? silicone has staying power! juvaderm doesn't. it's supposed to late up to 18 months but rarely lasts half that.

it would have been noticed if she had any minor face lifts because of the scar. so if she manipulated her folds it would have been through fillers.

 

[AngelaE8654]

You can smooth your face for no folds with fillers like juvaderm or scary stuff like collagen or silicone. You can get these at "tupperware" parties if you want to go the back alley way. a lot of people do and housewives are notorious for having parties at their house. I don't see her doing this in her later years but maybe she did it when she was younger? silicone has staying power! juvaderm doesn't. it's supposed to late up to 18 months but rarely lasts half that.

it would have been noticed if she had any minor face lifts because of the scar. so if she manipulated her folds it would have been through fillers.

Yeah, I've heard about the fillers. Depending on WHY she is doing this, she may have had extensive work done, or she may not have. If she's hiding from someone who she was afraid of she might have had quite a bit of her face changed. If she's simply trying to get a "quick and easy" United States Citizenship, she may not have had much need to change her face. I hope the truth about her comes out. SOMEONE had to have known who this person was.

 

[Crackerjack]

Photo of a 6 yr old Lisa Kennedy in Dallas area, 1966. Not sure if any connection...http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/today-in-dallas-photo-history-1966-jerry-lewis-promotes-new-movie-three-on-a-couch.html/

 

[AstroKitty]

i just noticed that she had hesitation in her BST signature. Take a look at it and you'll notice it.

 

[branwynbreeze]

A few ramblings:

Hollywood/L.A. where a hotbed of drug and club activity in '80s-1981 Wonderland murders is an excellent example. She may have tried modeling, dancing, or hooking. I bring this up due to San Fernando, NoHo and LA numbers. I wonder with CNA if she was being stalked.

A gal who lived down street from me was enticed to Orient to dance and sing, she ended up being a sex slave. She finally made it back to states with family assistance in '80s. Perhaps something similar happened to LEK and she may have been forced to eat what we might consider pets, that might put me off meat.

I am familiar with dance/ industry. It can be hard on the body, so a fairly short window of being on top w/o a good plastic surgeon. She doesn't seem to have the burnt out look of someone who did drugs.

I know someone with Tourettes (tics), it is far more common in men than women. It's not too obvious unless he stresses.

Someone brought up the issue of her being protective, but leaving child behind. I am happy she did, we've read here too often of mothers who kill their children and may attempt of suicide or do commit suicide.

 

[AngelaE8654]

i just noticed that she had hesitation in her BST signature. Take a look at it and you'll notice it.

I noticed it. It's very stilted as if that was the first time she ever wrote that. It probably was the first time.

 

[AngelaE8654]

A few ramblings:

Hollywood/L.A. where a hotbed of drug and club activity in '80s-1981 Wonderland murders is an excellent example. She may have tried modeling, dancing, or hooking. I bring this up due to San Fernando, NoHo and LA numbers. I wonder with CNA if she was being stalked.

A gal who lived down street from me was enticed to Orient to dance and sing, she ended up being a sex slave. She finally made it back to states with family assistance in '80s. Perhaps something similar happened to LEK and she may have been forced to eat what we might consider pets, that might put me off meat.

I am familiar with dance/ industry. It can be hard on the body, so a fairly short window of being on top w/o a good plastic surgeon. She doesn't seem to have the burnt out look of someone who did drugs.

I know someone with Tourettes (tics), it is far more common in men than women. It's not too obvious unless he stresses.

Someone brought up the issue of her being protective, but leaving child behind. I am happy she did, we've read here too often of mothers who kill their children and may attempt of suicide or do commit suicide.

You bring up some very good and interesting points. Thank you.

The article says her husband said she had medication that "may have been" for Tourette Syndrome, OCD, or ADHD. Trust me, if she had any of those, ESPECIALLY OCD and probably Tourette Syndrome, he'd know it. You can't really hide that stuff from your family. My mom has OCD really severely and it was something the WHOLE family had to endure for years and years and years. My brother has Tourette Syndrome (Tourettes and OCD are probably related, they've discovered) and we noticed that for sure. I don't have a family member who has ADHD but I can imagine you wouldn't NOT know it if someone had it.

 

[ashyboy16]

Someone earlier mentioned that we should stop looking at missing teenagers or pre-teens. I just wanted to say I disagree entirely.
All possibilities should and need to be looked into. It's very likely she could've been a runaway....and many runaways have reasons to leave. Abuse, drugs, bad home-life, etc. And it's plausible to me that LEK may've ran into trouble as a young adult and may or may not have been reported missing.

 

[AngelaE8654]

Someone earlier mentioned that we should stop looking at missing teenagers or pre-teens. I just wanted to say I disagree entirely.
All possibilities should and need to be looked into. It's very likely she could've been a runaway....and many runaways have reasons to leave. Abuse, drugs, bad home-life, etc. And it's plausible to me that LEK may've ran into trouble as a young adult and may or may not have been reported missing.

I was the one who said that and you have a very good point. Thank you.

 

[ashyboy16]

Found this girl, named Lori who disappeared from Winnipeg, Canada.
18 in 1985, a few inches taller than LEK, but still tall, and somewhat resembles her.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/349dfmb.html

It makes me wonder..what if LEK wasn't from the states at all originally?

 

[Sulamith]

What if one of us created a Facebook page called "Who was Lori Erica Ruff" or some such thing that had photos of all the evidence and posts with everything we know right now? That could be 'shared' around and might 'go viral' which would get a TON of attention to it and might catch the attention of someone who actually knew her before 1988. It would be no different from an article giving out the same information publically. Unless there are legitimate reasons why this would be a bad idea, I think I'll set one up today. Thoughts??

I think a Facebook page is a good idea. I might title it: Who was this Jane Doe aka Lori Erica Ruff from Longview, TX. aka and then add the other names she went by. More intrigue? Somebody could read "Who was Lori Erica Ruff" and say I don't know, never heard of her and then not continue reading the rest of the page. Just throwing my :twocents: out there.

I belong to the "Texas" Facebook page and emailed the owner, gave her some background and asked if she would post the Seattle Times article. She never responded. Bummer.

 

[T4Tide]

Here's a full photo shot:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...-PGyTOHH-0bqZ_KSz7Hka9z6a_N4A586iSaN7CeMraQpD

 

[ashyboy16]

Here's a full photo shot:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...-PGyTOHH-0bqZ_KSz7Hka9z6a_N4A586iSaN7CeMraQpD

She could've lost weight, but I think I take this back. Doesn't appear to be the same person IMO.

 

[deca]

Found this girl, named Lori who disappeared from Winnipeg, Canada.
18 in 1985, a few inches taller than LEK, but still tall, and somewhat resembles her.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/349dfmb.html

It makes me wonder..what if LEK wasn't from the states at all originally?

I brought her up many many moons ago- I thought it was a good possibility until recently when LEKs idaho id came up. Lori Lee Berens is much heavier looking- although weight can be lost. So not completely willing to rule it out, but I think it is less likely :moo:
Around that time, I found a posting of Lori Lee Berens's sister talking about LLB's disappearance and how see was seeking information. I responded to the posting in some way asking her to look at this doe but got no response. Anyways, LLB had left with a boyfriend and seemed to have a good relationship with her sister.

 

[ashyboy16]

Has Christi Jo Nichols been looked at? She was in an abusive relationship at the time of her disappearance and planning to leave her husband. She was 5'9 and had already had two children at the time. Though they suspected she had been killed because blood was found in the house, no body was found and thus it can't be proven conclusively. Not to mention her state, Nebraska, is not far from Idaho.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2469dfne.html

Also, this is so frustrating to me. I haven't looked around so much in awhile lol.

 

[Kodiak]

I think a Facebook page is a good idea. I might title it: Who was this Jane Doe aka Lori Erica Ruff from Longview, TX. aka and then add the other names she went by. More intrigue? Somebody could read "Who was Lori Erica Ruff" and say I don't know, never heard of her and then not continue reading the rest of the page. Just throwing my :twocents: out there.

I belong to the "Texas" Facebook page and emailed the owner, gave her some background and asked if she would post the Seattle Times article. She never responded. Bummer.

Creating a Facebook page is a great idea. I created one a few months ago for ... "The Case of Mary Anderson" because the case has gone cold since 1996, and her case files with the Seattle Police department were destroyed ten years later after her death, and add to the fact, the case needs much more public exposure. I also even created a BOLO Flyer Facebook page as it is a web and print flyer design project I had working on the last three years. Both have become very successful with the latter just recently created. And I created a UID web flyer for LEK, too. It can be viewed and download there as well.

But the Mary Anderson one has generated a lot of questions and interest from the public since it was created. Even family members emailing me that their missing loved one could be Mary Anderson.

If you do set up a page, I would contact Agent Velling and get permission from the SSA as this case is still young. You wouldn't want to post anything that might infringe or mislead the investigation.

 

[Magnum P.E.]

I don't think it helps with that. Name changes as far as I know, have always been public record. So it wouldn't help for someone who was actively pursuing you (like hunting bank robbers with the same name).

True that name changes are public record, but in the paper records days it would have held up much better for her to legally be a different name from the one on the tombstone. Things were not on national databases so much at that time, and no LE agency had the manpower and time to look through all the court records in the country!

Many people did the paper chase not to live peacefully under a new identity as LEK did, but to commit fraud. There was one involving travelers checks (that I will not describe here) that some did many many times over, with a new identity each time. That is a lot of tombstones that had been picked over by the time LEK got there in the late 80s. If she had just lived as BST, that knock on the door from LE could have come at any time. It could have come anyway but there was less chance that she would be found out with another name and SSN. It was not a ZERO chance, however, and that possibility may have been a source of stress in LEK's life.

 

[AngelaE8654]

Creating a Facebook page is a great idea. I created one a few months ago for ... "The Case of Mary Anderson" because the case has gone cold since 1996, and her case files with the Seattle Police department were destroyed ten years later after her death, and add to the fact, the case needs much more public exposure. I also even created a BOLO Flyer Facebook page as it is a web and print flyer design project I had working on the last three years. Both have become very successful with the latter just recently created. And I created a UID web flyer for LEK, too. It can be viewed and download there as well.

But the Mary Anderson one has generated a lot questions and interest from the public since it was created. Even family members emailing me that their missing loved one could be Mary Anderson.

If you do set up a page, I would contact Agent Velling and get permission from the SSA as this case is still young. You wouldn't want to post anything that might infringe or mislead the investigation.

I had planned on posting what was in the articles. The Seattle Times had the whole timeline and photos of every piece of evidence and everything that's known about the case. I will probably contact Agent Velling, though because *I* personally don't think the Ruffs are giving the whole story and I suspect there's a lot more to it.

 

[T4Tide]

I don't know... the more I look at THESE pictures, the more she appears to favor this girl. There are tons of discrepancies in her missing files, too. One describes her as 5'6" and 150lbs, and the other at 6'0" 225lbs. If she had started to lose weight, and then struggled with bulimia... it's a possibility. She went missing in 1985, and the skinny FLEK pic is approx. from 1988.

Hey... and if you are gonna run away from Canada, Texas is about as far as you can get without crossing another border.

somebody tell me if that blows your margins

 

[tatertot]

Ashboy16's post #1526 about the possible reasons she might have created a new identity made me think of another possibility. The recent articles include quotes from those who knew her saying she appeared to be struggling with symptoms of Tourette Syndrome or OCD, though there is no information about whether she sought professional help related to this.

Like many conditions, these weren't understood as well back then as they are today, and she might have created a new identity to dissociate herself from what she saw as her "past" conditions and then worked hard to control and hide the symptoms of TS and/or OCD. If that sounds extreme that she'd carve out a new identity just to dissociate herself from what she was diagnosed with, consider that she might have been coming of age at the same time she was told she should be heavily medicated, already known as "that girl" with the tics and mannerisms nobody understood and told that her employment outlook wasn't so good if she couldn't manage her conditions.

It's interesting that she worked as a mystery shopper. You have to be fairly organized to successfully do it and you can't be too shy, as your "shop scenario" often involves a narrative where you're seeking a specific product for yourself or someone you know. Since she had created a new back-story for herself, she probably found it easy to talk to salespeople with a new made-up scenario each time. I'm curious whether she stuck mostly to fast-food shops or did more complicated assignments like new car, apartment rental shops, etc.