TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #1

[Sherwood Park]

Wow!! Since my post and Herstory's were totally separate, how did you put that together? To me the resemblance is so close, it is disturbing. (father/son? the ages are right) Be careful what you type...this is a dangerous area to get into, not just here on WS but in general.

On the other hand, would a relative of somebody in the Prison Witness Protection Program be so bold as to have such an internet presence?

For those who were involved and tangled up in that whole period of major drug trade, their children are not in hiding. Their kids are well known and some of them can be found on the internet. Some of them have even written books about what it was like growing up with their fathers.

Other's, yes, have gone into hiding, but are not part of any witness protection program. From what I've read those who went into hiding were American/Caucasian women who got mixed up with bad men, the Latino relatives are used to this type of craziness in their home countries and know that hiding is pointless and won't do them any good. They simply stay away from mixing with the wrong crowds and avoid being kidnapped for ransom and they are fine, but not naive.

Thanks for the warning. Thankfully I'm not as good at finding information as the rest of you are. There are some crazy criminals out there and I feel way more comfortable never finding out anything about them.

I still have to shake my head that the U.S. actually has a PRISON witness protection program!

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Not saying this is her, but demonstrates all kinds of reasons why someone may disappear and there being no one to report her missing or who will give up where or who she is.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-15/local/me-2319_1_million-killing-mother

On the other hand, I can't seem to find her and I believe she may have received insurance money.

 

[HerStory]

Not saying this is her, but demonstrates all kinds of reasons why someone may disappear and there being no one to report her missing or who will give up where or who she is.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-15/local/me-2319_1_million-killing-mother

On the other hand, I can't seem to find her and I believe she may have received insurance money.

I read a good portion of one of the legal transcripts involving him....one would be inclined to assume that IF the daughter was associated with FLEK, that she would, more than likely, be eligible for witness protection. Unless.....she undertook her own sort of witness protection. He appears to have a younger daughter as well. Interesting thoughts:

- extensive ties to Tarzana, CA
- he had a former mistress, who was initially charged, who *might* have later moved to Washington (if one and the same)
- it appears that the older daughter was born in June 1969 (according to the novel), younger daughter ca1975/76.
- younger daughter seems to have ties to AZ
- it was reported that RP quite likely squirrelled massive amounts of money in Swiss bank accounts

This angle could be more plausible than you think OWTW.

 

[Linda9681]

So I finally just asked my hubby if the Marshals service had someone under witness protection if that persons real ID would come up if prints were ran. He said no. Their real ID is "erased"

I don't think this was the case with FLEK since she initiated her info change, unless she was trying to get away from the program.

I was just curious. Thought I would share.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I read a good portion of one of the legal transcripts involving him....one would be inclined to assume that IF the daughter was associated with FLEK, that she would, more than likely, be eligible for witness protection. Unless.....she undertook her own sort of witness protection. He appears to have a younger daughter as well. Interesting thoughts:

- extensive ties to Tarzana, CA
- he had a former mistress, who was initially charged, who *might* have later moved to Washington (if one and the same)
- it appears that the older daughter was born in June 1969 (according to the novel), younger daughter ca1975/76.
- younger daughter seems to have ties to AZ
- it was reported that RP quite likely squirrelled massive amounts of money in Swiss bank accounts

This angle could be more plausible than you think OWTW.

Yes, I read a little more of his blog. He's, to put it politely, more than a little, let's say OFF. I don't blame the daughter for going into hiding. What I can't figure out is where the daughter's last name beginning with "S" came from. Also, If I remember from reading, there may be someone in the UK by this name. (London passport application).

I also saw a reference that he was quite upset that the daughter may be getting insurance money. At least I think I read that through the lines of the rambling.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

OMG. This guy fled to Vegas, lived under an assumed name and had plastic surgery to change his face. He was in hiding for six weeks before he was caught.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-09/local/me-2010_1_financial-gain

 

[hopeandglory]

If FLEK is the daughter, I could easily see her going through the process of getting a new identity herself just to minimize the amount of people who knew about it, which would probably be more than one if she was placed in witness protection, right?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I wonder if she ever had any lessons from this guy....run into him in L.A. or something?

http://www.lamag.com/features/2012/06/01/the-identity-thief-a-tale-of-murder

 

[SherlockKittyCat]

Forgive me if this has been brought up extensively, I just found out about this case, and I have been fascinated with it! I lived in Dallas in the area where she lived in the late 80s and early 90s, so the backdrop is familiar to me. I'm trying to catch up on the threads here, but it's hard to glean everything.

Is there any way should could be a runaway gypsy/Romani or Irish Traveller? Given those private societies' penchant for seclusion, it would make sense that she was never reported missing. And (not to be stereotypical, but...) she might have access or knowledge of changing identities and moving so stealthily in a pre-Internet world of forging documents, et. al.

She has a story. I would love to help find it.

 

[Linda9681]

Just a mustard bomb,,, but what if her parents WERE really dead? What if the reason she was not reported missing by anyone is because she was NOT MISSING?
Maybe her name/ID change was strictly to get away from one situation or financial issue, but she still kept in touch with old friends, etc? I only talk to my old friends from HS and back home about once or twice a year. If it wasn't for facebook, I really wouldn't know what was going on back there at all! Just a thought. She could have told people she didnt have money to visit or maybe lived close enough to make a day trip to visit.. We do 6 hr drives and spend the night and go back the next day sometimes...

 

[SherlockKittyCat]

Just a mustard bomb,,, but what if her parents WERE really dead? What if the reason she was not reported missing by anyone is because she was NOT MISSING?
Maybe her name/ID change was strictly to get away from one situation or financial issue, but she still kept in touch with old friends, etc? I only talk to my old friends from HS and back home about once or twice a year. If it wasn't for facebook, I really wouldn't know what was going on back there at all! Just a thought. She could have told people she didnt have money to visit or maybe lived close enough to make a day trip to visit.. We do 6 hr drives and spend the night and go back the next day sometimes...

BBM: ITA. I wonder if looking for a missing person to solve her past is a futile search. Maybe just someone who fell off the radar, whose parents are dead and relatives lost contact. She probably, IMO, was in her early or mid-twenties at the beginning of the ID thievery, so what if she's just "that girl who used to sit behind me in Algebra" not some missing person? So, how does one go about searching for someone who is not missing? Hmmm...

Brown hair, hazel eyes, diastema, pointed nose with prominent nostrils, oval shaped face...

 

[Magnum P.E.]

BBM: ITA. I wonder if looking for a missing person to solve her past is a futile search. Maybe just someone who fell off the radar, whose parents are dead and relatives lost contact. She probably, IMO, was in her early or mid-twenties at the beginning of the ID thievery, so what if she's just "that girl who used to sit behind me in Algebra" not some missing person? So, how does one go about searching for someone who is not missing? Hmmm...

Brown hair, hazel eyes, diastema, pointed nose with prominent nostrils, oval shaped face...

It has been a safe bet for a long while that she has no missing person report anywhere in the world, and has never been in the military or in serious trouble with the law. Who she really was will be interesting, but why she became FLEK will be equally interesting.

I love the references to mustarding, I made that term up and it seems to have caught on. The two standard mustard theories of any unidentified decedent on this board are "escaping an abusive situation" if it is a woman, and "left an Amish sect for Rumspringa and never went back" if it is a man.

 

[SherlockKittyCat]

It has been a safe bet for a long while that she has no missing person report anywhere in the world, and has never been in the military or in serious trouble with the law. Who she really was will be interesting, but why she became FLEK will be equally interesting.

I love the references to mustarding, I made that term up and it seems to have caught on. The two standard mustard theories of any unidentified decedent on this board are "escaping an abusive situation" if it is a woman, and "left an Amish sect for Rumspringa and never went back" if it is a man.

BBM: love it! :great:

 

[Magnum P.E.]

BBM: love it! :great:

Thanks. I also came up with "FLEK" back when we thought she had stolen the identity of a real person named LEK.
I thought we would have found her real identity by now. With the publicity the case got, I don't know why someone has not recognized her. That is really the best chance to solve this one.

 

[masootz]

...and "left an Amish sect for Rumspringa and never went back" if it is a man.

ha! very true.

 

[Odyssey]

I just came across something - and while I admit I haven't read all the threads, I did do a keyword search and nothing about this came up... so here goes:

I did a search on Ancestry using the 7101 El Caballo (Boise) address as a keyword.

There was a Barker family at that address and one of them was named Becky. The birthdate of this Becky was in 1952. I am seeing records for this Barker family at this address in 1987 as well as 1993 which means they were there at the time that she sent that application.

There was a Donna with a 1961 birth year - shows a different address but same phone number as the 7101 El Caballo Barkers.

There are a few other Barkers there but I don't want to post their names here since it's unlikely that any of the others could be her due to their ages/genders. But if anyone wants to see if they're all accounted for, I can let you know how to find them if you have Ancestry.

Edited to add:

Here is an obituary of one of them. Notice it says she often had visitors stay for a couple nights, I wonder if that was the case with this girl. It seems the three female Barkers from Ancestry are accounted for in the obituary but there is also one who apparently predeceased her (I did not see her in my Ancestry search).

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/idahostatesman/obituary.aspx?pid=166530374

 

[HerStory]

I just came across something - and while I admit I haven't read all the threads, I did do a keyword search and nothing about this came up... so here goes:

I did a search on Ancestry using the 7101 El Caballo (Boise) address as a keyword.

There was a Barker family at that address and one of them was named Becky. The birthdate of this Becky was in 1952. I am seeing records for this Barker family at this address in 1987 as well as 1993 which means they were there at the time that she sent that application.

There was a Donna with a 1961 birth year - shows a different address but same phone number as the 7101 El Caballo Barkers.

There are a few other Barkers there but I don't want to post their names here since it's unlikely that any of the others could be her due to their ages/genders. But if anyone wants to see if they're all accounted for, I can let you know how to find them if you have Ancestry.

Edited to add:

Here is an obituary of one of them. Notice it says she often had visitors stay for a couple nights, I wonder if that was the case with this girl. It seems the three female Barkers from Ancestry are accounted for in the obituary but there is also one who apparently predeceased her (I did not see her in my Ancestry search).

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/idahostatesman/obituary.aspx?pid=166530374

I was almost ready to dismiss this angle, as I had already walked softly on it a few months ago.....until I just read the bridal seamstress and alterations comment. FLEK's first traceable address in Dallas was a bridal shop at that time (based on archived advertisements)! This address was shortly after her Idaho address.

This family also had ties to Thailand....

 

[Linda9681]

We need someone to follow this up!!!!

 

[Hatfield]

Just read quite a few pages to learn about this case. It is very interesting.

Some of the thoughts and possible connections are well thought out that people have come up with.

Just some initial thoughts + comments that struck me...

1 - This person had some knowledge and skill in changing their identity. The sheer fact that they went through the trouble to get their name officially changed over tells me that they really did not want anybody to ever find out who they really were originally.

2 - The striking resemblence to the husband shocked me. There could be something to the one theory that she may have sought out and found some past relatives and got together with that person, with them never knowing she was actually related in some way (i.e., brother/sister or cousin maybe). The side-by-side picture was amazing to me, and it sure looked like they were related.

3 - It is sad that she committed suicide. It seems like maybe she finally got tired of the secret live she created for herself. Wondering if there can be any clues that could be found from the result of her suicide. She seemed to be a very smart person and her past life gave her the skillset she needed to create her new life she lived under.

 

[HerStory]

Curious....what kind of name is 'Mii'?